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smackeddog
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6/7/2019  11:10 AM
Starting to get 2010 PTSD flashbacks, but the key is not to repeat the mistakes we made then. My strike out plan is:

1)Three team trade: the 3rd pick to the Cavs for their 5th (Hawks give it them back) plus next years first, then send the 5th to the Hawks for their three first rounders- draft role players

The idea behind this is picking up a second high first rounder for next year and targeting next years draft (which ill be deeper) as the year we add franchise player type talent. I have my doubts about RJ, where as I think this draft is deep for role players.

2) If the Hornets sign Kemba, take back some of their one year expirings (whoever out of Biyombo's $17mil, Williams' $15mil, MKG's $13mil) for 2 first rounders.

3) Sign Rubio for $10mil per, we need a good passing PG to maximise our young players, plus if DSJ takes a step forward, Rubio can move to the bench


That would leave us with 3 first round picks this year, cap space, plus the Cavs next year, plus 2 firsts from the Hornets, plus 2 from Dallas. Put's us in great shape to develop the young players, and either use or trade the future firsts depending on opportunities.

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6/7/2019  11:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/7/2019  11:13 AM
If you strike out in free agency you just build around Barrett, Knox, and Mitch. So trading back is not a good option. We would need to gamble on Barrett becoming a superstar wing. We can’t build around future role players by trading back.
knicks1248
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6/7/2019  11:38 AM
I don't think striking out is an option.

In a loaded FA class, a top 3 pick and more cap space than this franchise has seen in over 20 yrs, and you strikeout..we will be looking at a new Front office by december when we are 15 games below 500.

They haven't prove they can develop anyone, the past trades have been lukewarm at best, and more players have been asked to be traded away than any other regime..

This off season is clearly the biggest the franchise has had since signing Houston, LJ and childs then trading Oak for camby. I don't think striking out is an option..

Remember, we are coming off of our 5th lottery season

ES
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6/7/2019  11:56 AM
knicks1248 wrote:I don't think striking out is an option.

In a loaded FA class, a top 3 pick and more cap space than this franchise has seen in over 20 yrs, and you strikeout..we will be looking at a new Front office by december when we are 15 games below 500.

They haven't prove they can develop anyone, the past trades have been lukewarm at best, and more players have been asked to be traded away than any other regime..

This off season is clearly the biggest the franchise has had since signing Houston, LJ and childs then trading Oak for camby. I don't think striking out is an option..

Remember, we are coming off of our 5th lottery season

Thats what gets you Amar'e and his uninsurable knees. Its still true that sometimes the best deal is the one you walk away from. We need stars, veteran role players in their prime. And younger players to fill in the gaps until they become either one or the other.

If the stars available dont look like they will be a good fit, find a quality role player, like a Morris. Develop the recent draft picks.

Forcing a square peg in a round hole isnt the answer. Not the last free agent class the Knicks will see. The idea is to build a team that wont be back in the lotto, in a couple of seasons.

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6/7/2019  12:38 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I don't think striking out is an option.

In a loaded FA class, a top 3 pick and more cap space than this franchise has seen in over 20 yrs, and you strikeout..we will be looking at a new Front office by december when we are 15 games below 500.

They haven't prove they can develop anyone, the past trades have been lukewarm at best, and more players have been asked to be traded away than any other regime..

This off season is clearly the biggest the franchise has had since signing Houston, LJ and childs then trading Oak for camby. I don't think striking out is an option..

Remember, we are coming off of our 5th lottery season

Thats what gets you Amar'e and his uninsurable knees. Its still true that sometimes the best deal is the one you walk away from. We need stars, veteran role players in their prime. And younger players to fill in the gaps until they become either one or the other.

If the stars available dont look like they will be a good fit, find a quality role player, like a Morris. Develop the recent draft picks.

Forcing a square peg in a round hole isnt the answer. Not the last free agent class the Knicks will see. The idea is to build a team that wont be back in the lotto, in a couple of seasons.


Amare wasn't a bad signing, his biggest issue was never his knees, it was his back and punching fire extinguishers..the problem came when they added melo, out of shape felton, and Tyson chandler(to play in a MDA system).

The knicks make one good move and 4 bad ones usual follow, like drafting shumpert, or not trading up 2 spots for Kawhi, or drafting Tobias or Butler.

KD and Kyrie have too much connections to NY, if you can't seal the deal with them (both are very interested in playing here) then why should i believe in the FO and coach.

KD, kawhi, Kyrie, have all missed significant time in their careers because of injury, and quite frankly injuries can happen to anyone at any time..

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6/7/2019  1:02 PM
What does charlotte do to clear out cap? Sign others? Is that their goal?
Fire the FO? What does that do? You have open concept others that will come here and replicate some magic thing? Some Starphuch miracle?
We indignant that Nets just opened up a max spot? Is that for Tobias? Kyrie? Durant? Do they renounce D'angelo??
Knick1248, you who said crabbe would never be traded and "Boom" not 24 hours go by and you made the fool?
What do you suggest?
You don't show a fool a job half done!
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6/7/2019  1:24 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I don't think striking out is an option.

In a loaded FA class, a top 3 pick and more cap space than this franchise has seen in over 20 yrs, and you strikeout..we will be looking at a new Front office by december when we are 15 games below 500.

They haven't prove they can develop anyone, the past trades have been lukewarm at best, and more players have been asked to be traded away than any other regime..

This off season is clearly the biggest the franchise has had since signing Houston, LJ and childs then trading Oak for camby. I don't think striking out is an option..

Remember, we are coming off of our 5th lottery season

Thats what gets you Amar'e and his uninsurable knees. Its still true that sometimes the best deal is the one you walk away from. We need stars, veteran role players in their prime. And younger players to fill in the gaps until they become either one or the other.

If the stars available dont look like they will be a good fit, find a quality role player, like a Morris. Develop the recent draft picks.

Forcing a square peg in a round hole isnt the answer. Not the last free agent class the Knicks will see. The idea is to build a team that wont be back in the lotto, in a couple of seasons.


Amare wasn't a bad signing, his biggest issue was never his knees, it was his back and punching fire extinguishers..the problem came when they added melo, out of shape felton, and Tyson chandler(to play in a MDA system).

The knicks make one good move and 4 bad ones usual follow, like drafting shumpert, or not trading up 2 spots for Kawhi, or drafting Tobias or Butler.

KD and Kyrie have too much connections to NY, if you can't seal the deal with them (both are very interested in playing here) then why should i believe in the FO and coach.

KD, kawhi, Kyrie, have all missed significant time in their careers because of injury, and quite frankly injuries can happen to anyone at any time..

Amare lost much of his explosiveness because of his knees. Of course it slowed him down. Back issues stemmed from trying to compensate for bad knees. Half a season as an MVP candidate, many missed games, over the life of a max deal was a bad signing. All the warning signs were there.

Im hoping Perry/Mills and Dolan as well, are secure enough not to let two players who arent on the team, define the future of this franchise. Its a mistake to believe that this is the only summer that matters. The Knicks biggest mistakes came from the mindset that they absolutely had to make a deal.

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6/7/2019  1:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/7/2019  1:32 PM
I like the idea of something like the Hornets trade. I think I would look to sign young guys like Julius Randle if possible. Just get as much young talent on the team as possible and then sign three or four guys that are 10+ year NBA veterans to teach at the end of the bench
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6/7/2019  2:40 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I don't think striking out is an option.

In a loaded FA class, a top 3 pick and more cap space than this franchise has seen in over 20 yrs, and you strikeout..we will be looking at a new Front office by december when we are 15 games below 500.

They haven't prove they can develop anyone, the past trades have been lukewarm at best, and more players have been asked to be traded away than any other regime..

This off season is clearly the biggest the franchise has had since signing Houston, LJ and childs then trading Oak for camby. I don't think striking out is an option..

Remember, we are coming off of our 5th lottery season

Thats what gets you Amar'e and his uninsurable knees. Its still true that sometimes the best deal is the one you walk away from. We need stars, veteran role players in their prime. And younger players to fill in the gaps until they become either one or the other.

If the stars available dont look like they will be a good fit, find a quality role player, like a Morris. Develop the recent draft picks.

Forcing a square peg in a round hole isnt the answer. Not the last free agent class the Knicks will see. The idea is to build a team that wont be back in the lotto, in a couple of seasons.

The voice of reason. Patience will be rewarded...eventually. Pull the trigger on another Stat mess and we'll be set back years.

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6/7/2019  2:56 PM
Moonangie wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I don't think striking out is an option.

In a loaded FA class, a top 3 pick and more cap space than this franchise has seen in over 20 yrs, and you strikeout..we will be looking at a new Front office by december when we are 15 games below 500.

They haven't prove they can develop anyone, the past trades have been lukewarm at best, and more players have been asked to be traded away than any other regime..

This off season is clearly the biggest the franchise has had since signing Houston, LJ and childs then trading Oak for camby. I don't think striking out is an option..

Remember, we are coming off of our 5th lottery season

Thats what gets you Amar'e and his uninsurable knees. Its still true that sometimes the best deal is the one you walk away from. We need stars, veteran role players in their prime. And younger players to fill in the gaps until they become either one or the other.

If the stars available dont look like they will be a good fit, find a quality role player, like a Morris. Develop the recent draft picks.

Forcing a square peg in a round hole isnt the answer. Not the last free agent class the Knicks will see. The idea is to build a team that wont be back in the lotto, in a couple of seasons.

The voice of reason. Patience will be rewarded...eventually. Pull the trigger on another Stat mess and we'll be set back years.

Chasing AD rings of another Amar'e fiasco. 3-4 first round picks, plus another 2-3 draft picks leaves the cupboard bare. Serve no wine before its time. Let it breathe.

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6/7/2019  3:01 PM
Sangfroid wrote:
Moonangie wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I don't think striking out is an option.

In a loaded FA class, a top 3 pick and more cap space than this franchise has seen in over 20 yrs, and you strikeout..we will be looking at a new Front office by december when we are 15 games below 500.

They haven't prove they can develop anyone, the past trades have been lukewarm at best, and more players have been asked to be traded away than any other regime..

This off season is clearly the biggest the franchise has had since signing Houston, LJ and childs then trading Oak for camby. I don't think striking out is an option..

Remember, we are coming off of our 5th lottery season

Thats what gets you Amar'e and his uninsurable knees. Its still true that sometimes the best deal is the one you walk away from. We need stars, veteran role players in their prime. And younger players to fill in the gaps until they become either one or the other.

If the stars available dont look like they will be a good fit, find a quality role player, like a Morris. Develop the recent draft picks.

Forcing a square peg in a round hole isnt the answer. Not the last free agent class the Knicks will see. The idea is to build a team that wont be back in the lotto, in a couple of seasons.

The voice of reason. Patience will be rewarded...eventually. Pull the trigger on another Stat mess and we'll be set back years.

Chasing AD rings of another Amar'e fiasco. 3-4 first round picks, plus another 2-3 draft picks leaves the cupboard bare. Serve no wine before its time. Let it breathe.

The way the Knicks have been recently with draft picks, i doubt they would deal that many. I only see them offering the 2 Dallas picks, and keeping all of their own off the table. Seems like a priority to maintain all of their own picks, or have a surplus of picks if possible.

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6/7/2019  3:23 PM
If we strike out in Free Agency then I say we build through the draft similar to what Boston did. Cultivate these youngins and get some solid vets to guide them.
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6/7/2019  3:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/7/2019  3:29 PM
NYKBocker wrote:If we strike out in Free Agency then I say we build through the draft similar to what Boston did. Cultivate these youngins and get some solid vets to guide them.

Yep, best to let things happen naturally. The key thing is that we have some flexibility. There will always be a disgruntled star that wants out or a team stuck with horrible contract they need to jettison. It'll be disappointing if KD doesn't come, but it won't be the end of the world.
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6/7/2019  3:51 PM
Beal, Rubio, randle, get players on shirt contracts with picks to take up salary.
I think Beal n Rubio n randle would be a great addition to our young guys
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6/7/2019  4:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/7/2019  4:10 PM
Teams likely to be looking to dump salary with picks:

OKC (Schroeder or maybe Adams, or maybe some of their smaller contracts)
Rockets
Twolves
Heat
Charlotte

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6/7/2019  4:30 PM
smackeddog wrote:Teams likely to be looking to dump salary with picks:

OKC (Schroeder or maybe Adams, or maybe some of their smaller contracts)
Rockets
Twolves
Heat
Charlotte

If Kemba goes back and we strike out i'm looking at Biyombo and Marvin and thinking if they want to keep kemba happy they'll neeed to try for that second star. Open up 30 mil more for the hornets to make their moves and revamp the team. Give me 2 firsts and miles bridges.

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6/7/2019  4:45 PM
ankurk wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Teams likely to be looking to dump salary with picks:

OKC (Schroeder or maybe Adams, or maybe some of their smaller contracts)
Rockets
Twolves
Heat
Charlotte

If Kemba goes back and we strike out i'm looking at Biyombo and Marvin and thinking if they want to keep kemba happy they'll neeed to try for that second star. Open up 30 mil more for the hornets to make their moves and revamp the team. Give me 2 firsts and miles bridges.

Who does Charlotte sign? Middleton perhaps?
Its like we were all ready for KD for months. It was so easy. Teams are moving things around and its getting intense for Knick fans.

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6/7/2019  5:01 PM
Nalod wrote:
ankurk wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Teams likely to be looking to dump salary with picks:

OKC (Schroeder or maybe Adams, or maybe some of their smaller contracts)
Rockets
Twolves
Heat
Charlotte

If Kemba goes back and we strike out i'm looking at Biyombo and Marvin and thinking if they want to keep kemba happy they'll neeed to try for that second star. Open up 30 mil more for the hornets to make their moves and revamp the team. Give me 2 firsts and miles bridges.

Who does Charlotte sign? Middleton perhaps?
Its like we were all ready for KD for months. It was so easy. Teams are moving things around and its getting intense for Knick fans.

I think more likely, Jordan trades those salaries not sign a big free agent but to save money and pay for Kemba’s giant contract. So likely they wouldn’t part with Miles or any player that contributes, but they would trade picks

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6/7/2019  5:28 PM
I don’t really care if we strike out I just want us to be smart with our money .... one thing is for sure trading Mitch would be a big mistake. I repeat trading Mitch would be a BIG mistake... the kid is going to be a defensive player of the year. His improvements just in his rookie season were eye opening!

Mitch no doubt with starter minutes will lead the league in blocks and be a top two fg % player. We need players that can get him the ball, Last year was maddening how many open dunks he would have had if our players just passed him the ball.

Draft Barrett unless Memphis is stupid, sign a pass first pg, create a package for a second first round pick

I’m pretty confidant we get kd and I wonder if we talk KL into joining him.

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6/7/2019  6:55 PM
The clippers should be better than the Hornets but taking on Gallo’s deal might get the Knicks a first or two. Also, if Gallo is healthy the Knicks might have the opportunity to get something for him at the d Arline from a team making a playoff run.
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