wargames wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Dont believe Irving will be able to keep his stuff together in NY. Dont believe he will move the ball (as a PG) enough to make signing any other big time FA worth it. Thats why LeBron took over the PG spot. Kyrie as starting PG didnt work in Cleveland with a GOAT contender, didnt work in Boston. Why the F does anyone believe after watching Boston in the last series that it will work here? I dont see any scenario where Kyrie to the Knicks gets us a ring without LeBron.

Arguably maybe getting RJ is a god send to put next to Kyrie. Even Frank can move the ball enough to maybe help with the distribution. Then KD on the other side. You just need some grunts to make the rest work.

Not sure what else Knicks fans need to see, that would convince them that Kyrie to NY is a bad idea. The fact that Irving as the starting PG hasnt worked anywhere doesnt matter. All those missed games dont matter. The almost complete lack of leadership doesnt matter. The ball sticking with Kyrie doesnt matter.

So many better options out there. Durant demands Kyrie, and Kyrie disappoints, KD wont hesitate to force his way out. Leaving Knicks fans with a maxed out Kyrie.

From what Ive seen as a Knicks fan over the years. Signing Kyrie would look more like a Mills/Perry move than one made by Perry/Mills. This would look a lot like a signing Mills historically has been in favor of. Costly, with no real benefit to the team's fortunes.

GustavBahler wrote:Some teams are apparently getting a bit skiddish about signing Kyrie, hope one of them is the Knicks.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/playoff-performance-teams-reportedly-down-170044275.html

They quote the article I posted. I think the guy that wrote the herald article is considered the best on the Celtics best b

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Dont believe Irving will be able to keep his stuff together in NY. Dont believe he will move the ball (as a PG) enough to make signing any other big time FA worth it. Thats why LeBron took over the PG spot. Kyrie as starting PG didnt work in Cleveland with a GOAT contender, didnt work in Boston. Why the F does anyone believe after watching Boston in the last series that it will work here? I dont see any scenario where Kyrie to the Knicks gets us a ring without LeBron.

I won't go that far. They did lose to what now appears to be one of the top 3 teams in the league. Kyrie looked good the series before and he looked real good as their lead ball-handler last year. There were obviously other things going on with that team this season. Now, if you want to get into his leadership abilities, that's fair. But he'd probably be coming here with another GOAT contender.

Agreed about the celts losing to the best team in the east...on top of that, before he got injured last year, Kyrie was in the discussion for league MVP...this year, there were too many individuals on the celts that had their own agendas so Bostons struggles weren't all on Kyrie.

Also, if Kyrie was such a disaster, why the hell the Celts want resign him?

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Dont believe Irving will be able to keep his stuff together in NY. Dont believe he will move the ball (as a PG) enough to make signing any other big time FA worth it. Thats why LeBron took over the PG spot. Kyrie as starting PG didnt work in Cleveland with a GOAT contender, didnt work in Boston. Why the F does anyone believe after watching Boston in the last series that it will work here? I dont see any scenario where Kyrie to the Knicks gets us a ring without LeBron.

I won't go that far. They did lose to what now appears to be one of the top 3 teams in the league. Kyrie looked good the series before and he looked real good as their lead ball-handler last year. There were obviously other things going on with that team this season. Now, if you want to get into his leadership abilities, that's fair. But he'd probably be coming here with another GOAT contender.

Agreed about the celts losing to the best team in the east...on top of that, before he got injured last year, Kyrie was in the discussion for league MVP...this year, there were too many individuals on the celts that had their own agendas so Bostons struggles weren't all on Kyrie.

Also, if Kyrie was such a disaster, why the hell the Celts want resign him?

AD, thats why, Celtics folly.

Kyrie must not sit on the Garden throne!!!

If the only way to get KD here is for Kyrie to sit beside him on the MSG throne, you do it!! If we are serious about trying to win a title, that's what you do...only mvp calibre talent win titles....Durant is good enough with a good supporting cast to knock of Giannis in the east...Knox and Barrett as the lead dawgs will get us to the 8th seed, maybe in a couple of years.

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Dont believe Irving will be able to keep his stuff together in NY. Dont believe he will move the ball (as a PG) enough to make signing any other big time FA worth it. Thats why LeBron took over the PG spot. Kyrie as starting PG didnt work in Cleveland with a GOAT contender, didnt work in Boston. Why the F does anyone believe after watching Boston in the last series that it will work here? I dont see any scenario where Kyrie to the Knicks gets us a ring without LeBron.

I won't go that far. They did lose to what now appears to be one of the top 3 teams in the league. Kyrie looked good the series before and he looked real good as their lead ball-handler last year. There were obviously other things going on with that team this season. Now, if you want to get into his leadership abilities, that's fair. But he'd probably be coming here with another GOAT contender.

I have very mixed feelings about Kyrie including his ability to stay healthy. If you're paying max you want a guy who could (not that the teams should) play all 82 games. Super important for establishing the best chance at better seed etc.

As an extreme, would you rather have Middleton for all 82 or Kyrie for 60?

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Dont believe Irving will be able to keep his stuff together in NY. Dont believe he will move the ball (as a PG) enough to make signing any other big time FA worth it. Thats why LeBron took over the PG spot. Kyrie as starting PG didnt work in Cleveland with a GOAT contender, didnt work in Boston. Why the F does anyone believe after watching Boston in the last series that it will work here? I dont see any scenario where Kyrie to the Knicks gets us a ring without LeBron.

I won't go that far. They did lose to what now appears to be one of the top 3 teams in the league. Kyrie looked good the series before and he looked real good as their lead ball-handler last year. There were obviously other things going on with that team this season. Now, if you want to get into his leadership abilities, that's fair. But he'd probably be coming here with another GOAT contender.

Agreed about the celts losing to the best team in the east...on top of that, before he got injured last year, Kyrie was in the discussion for league MVP...this year, there were too many individuals on the celts that had their own agendas so Bostons struggles weren't all on Kyrie.

Also, if Kyrie was such a disaster, why the hell the Celts want resign him?

AD, thats why, Celtics folly.

Kyrie must not sit on the Garden throne!!!

If the only way to get KD here is for Kyrie to sit beside him on the MSG throne, you do it!! If we are serious about trying to win a title, that's what you do...only mvp calibre talent win titles....Durant is good enough with a good supporting cast to knock of Giannis in the east...Knox and Barrett as the lead dawgs will get us to the 8th seed, maybe in a couple of years.

Would rather watch drama on HBO than at MSG. Kyrie is Drama with a capital D. Its Marbury all over again, but with more injuries.

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Dont believe Irving will be able to keep his stuff together in NY. Dont believe he will move the ball (as a PG) enough to make signing any other big time FA worth it. Thats why LeBron took over the PG spot. Kyrie as starting PG didnt work in Cleveland with a GOAT contender, didnt work in Boston. Why the F does anyone believe after watching Boston in the last series that it will work here? I dont see any scenario where Kyrie to the Knicks gets us a ring without LeBron.

I won't go that far. They did lose to what now appears to be one of the top 3 teams in the league. Kyrie looked good the series before and he looked real good as their lead ball-handler last year. There were obviously other things going on with that team this season. Now, if you want to get into his leadership abilities, that's fair. But he'd probably be coming here with another GOAT contender.

Agreed about the celts losing to the best team in the east...on top of that, before he got injured last year, Kyrie was in the discussion for league MVP...this year, there were too many individuals on the celts that had their own agendas so Bostons struggles weren't all on Kyrie.

Also, if Kyrie was such a disaster, why the hell the Celts want resign him?

AD, thats why, Celtics folly.

Kyrie must not sit on the Garden throne!!!

If the only way to get KD here is for Kyrie to sit beside him on the MSG throne, you do it!! If we are serious about trying to win a title, that's what you do...only mvp calibre talent win titles....Durant is good enough with a good supporting cast to knock of Giannis in the east...Knox and Barrett as the lead dawgs will get us to the 8th seed, maybe in a couple of years.

Would rather watch drama on HBO than at MSG. Kyrie is Drama with a capital D. Its Marbury all over again, but with more injuries.

Compared to Marbury, Kyrie is an afterschool special. Other than media speculation that Kyrie wasn't a good leader for the Celts, what drama did Kyrie cause? Most of the drama was created by talking-heads on ESPN, Foxsports and podcast that nothing better to talk about other than "is Kyrie coming to NY", or studying his body language and assuming he was a problem in the locker room which was refuted by Marcus Smart.

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Dont believe Irving will be able to keep his stuff together in NY. Dont believe he will move the ball (as a PG) enough to make signing any other big time FA worth it. Thats why LeBron took over the PG spot. Kyrie as starting PG didnt work in Cleveland with a GOAT contender, didnt work in Boston. Why the F does anyone believe after watching Boston in the last series that it will work here? I dont see any scenario where Kyrie to the Knicks gets us a ring without LeBron.

I won't go that far. They did lose to what now appears to be one of the top 3 teams in the league. Kyrie looked good the series before and he looked real good as their lead ball-handler last year. There were obviously other things going on with that team this season. Now, if you want to get into his leadership abilities, that's fair. But he'd probably be coming here with another GOAT contender.

Agreed about the celts losing to the best team in the east...on top of that, before he got injured last year, Kyrie was in the discussion for league MVP...this year, there were too many individuals on the celts that had their own agendas so Bostons struggles weren't all on Kyrie.

Also, if Kyrie was such a disaster, why the hell the Celts want resign him?

AD, thats why, Celtics folly.

Kyrie must not sit on the Garden throne!!!

If the only way to get KD here is for Kyrie to sit beside him on the MSG throne, you do it!! If we are serious about trying to win a title, that's what you do...only mvp calibre talent win titles....Durant is good enough with a good supporting cast to knock of Giannis in the east...Knox and Barrett as the lead dawgs will get us to the 8th seed, maybe in a couple of years.

Would rather watch drama on HBO than at MSG. Kyrie is Drama with a capital D. Its Marbury all over again, but with more injuries.

Compared to Marbury, Kyrie is an afterschool special. Other than media speculation that Kyrie wasn't a good leader for the Celts, what drama did Kyrie cause? Most of the drama was created by talking-heads on ESPN, Foxsports and podcast that nothing better to talk about other than "is Kyrie coming to NY", or studying his body language and assuming he was a problem in the locker room which was refuted by Marcus Smart.

Just because Kyrie isnt eating vaseline doesn't mean there isnt potential for drama. Forced his way off the Cavs, drama. Threw his Boston teammates under the bus with his comments before and during the playoffs.Rozier was saying that Kyrie wasnt doing what had been planned in practice.

You have an awful shooting performance, and your answer is not that you should have trusted your teammates more, but say you should have taken many more shots, is drama. Its throwing your team under the bus. And you want Kyrie in NY as the starting PG.