smackeddog wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Knicks should take the BPA at 3 and take the phone off the hook. Why trade back if it is considered a 3 player draft?

Because if we sign KD and Kemba/Kyrie, it raises the question as to whether you want player with best upside but poor fit, or better fitting 3-D role player types.

I could see us moving back from 4 or 5, because the players projected between 4-10 are in the same tier. But for 3 no way.

martin wrote:

Bump, this one is a newer ESPN clip, the other one is pre-Duke, posted it a few weeks ago.

A couple of things from the last one. They complimented RJ's ability to stop and go on a dime and finish strong like a smaller player. DSJr has that in his game. Another thing they talk about is his ability to take long strides to the rim. Reminded me of Giannis. Its another thing to show this ability at the NBA level, but Barrett looks like he's got it.

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Knicks are in a great position right now. If anybody wants to trade for the 3rd pick then you ask for 3 first round picks. If Atlanta wants RJ then give me the 8th, 10th and 35th pick of this years draft plus a future 1st rounder. If not then I pick RJ. That is the price.

We already have our all our 1st round picks, plus the two from Dallas. If we were back in the days when all our draft picks were spoken for (for years) Id agree about maybe trading this pick for more picks.

I wouldn't pass on Barrett for draft picks. Highest pick since 85', hope Perry/Mills drafts Barrett, and dont look back.

It depends. I'm sure there were some Boston fans who wanted the Celtics to take Fultz. RJ has potential, but he is no guarantee to be a star in this league. I'm not sure 8&10 is enough to trade down in this draft, but we need to keep all our options open. Heck, I'd be open to trading for future draft picks that line up with the time high schoolers become eligible. I want the Knicks front office to check every box.

No guarantee the picks we get will be stars either. Fultz's injury was a freak accident, having nothing to do with his game. Wouldn't sleep on Fultz in Orl. Barrett looks like the real deal at SG. We already have recent picks who are starting to show something as well. Dont see the need to pass on Barett, for a player(s) who might not be available down the road.

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Knicks should take the BPA at 3 and take the phone off the hook. Why trade back if it is considered a 3 player draft?

Because if we sign KD and Kemba/Kyrie, it raises the question as to whether you want player with best upside but poor fit, or better fitting 3-D role player types.

I could see us moving back from 4 or 5, because the players projected between 4-10 are in the same tier. But for 3 no way.

I'm already having flashbacks of moving Nene for Antonio McDyss on draft night.

ekstarks94 wrote:
Put some perspective on his name....the kid is just 18....what do you expect??? He is nowhere near a finished product. The kid averaged 22 per in one of the tougher conferences with a generational talent on the team.

Cut the kid some slack.

If I can get good value out of the 3rd pick I'd do it. These are the qualities people bring regarding RJ that quite frankly I don't care about at all:
1) Stop on a dime
2) Great downhill player
3) Good at Attacking the rim / Aggressive seeking contact
4) Good body control

These are the things I want in a wing:
1) Excellent shooting - 3 pointers and free throws
2) High IQ
3) Excellent defense - both on ball and help
4) Court vision

Just watch the finals and you will see the types of players that excel. High volume inefficient scorers that are super athletes get exposed if they can't shoot and can't defend. Physical tools are only part of the story, you need high skill players in todays game. I think there's too many holes in RJs game to not even consider trading down to get good value back.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/bwfn8n/just_how_good_is_rj_barrett_a_comprehensive/?st=JWH063CW&sh=7c30bab9

CrushAlot wrote:The Athletic’s scouting report on RJ. From a reddit poster.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/bwfn8n/just_how_good_is_rj_barrett_a_comprehensive/?st=JWH063CW&sh=7c30bab9

Good article. It came with a pic too. 18 years old? Sign him up!

JesseDark wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Knicks should take the BPA at 3 and take the phone off the hook. Why trade back if it is considered a 3 player draft?

Because if we sign KD and Kemba/Kyrie, it raises the question as to whether you want player with best upside but poor fit, or better fitting 3-D role player types.

I could see us moving back from 4 or 5, because the players projected between 4-10 are in the same tier. But for 3 no way.

I'm already having flashbacks of moving Nene for Antonio McDyss on draft night.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2019/6/4/18649395/five-graphs-jarrett-culver-and-r-j-barrett

i heard a podcast with Johnston Wasserman where I thought he was a bit dismissive of Spencer Pearlman’s take on RJ. He said Spencer was going on the synergy stats in his comparison of RJ and Cukver. Wasserman, Vecenie, Givony and Schmidts are guys that have watched RJ for years and make a good living providing their analysis. The only one from that group that might hedge on RJ at three is Schmidt. Yesterday Vecenie was talking about how much RJ had improved his jumper over the last 18 months and mentioned that he didn’t see it as a weakness going forward. I hope the Knicks don’t over think this. RJ is the second or third best pick in this draft and after that the drop off is considerable.

Yeah, we should be excited about RJ. With that said, I am hoping the Knicks are excited about both RJ and Ja equally. If there is that teny tiny chance (Maybe 1% chance?) that Ja falls to us, the Knicks should be celebrating.

So if I can trade down and get Jarrett Culver who I like much more, and another pick, even if its late in the lottery like 20 plus, I think its worth it. Because RJ Barrett is the type of player that helps sell tickets, not win games.