It seems we're at least looking into he possibility of trading for AD- to me, this only seems to make sense if they plan on bringing him as the third star this offseason, rather than just one of two. If that's the case, do you do it, and at what cost?

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https://www.twitter.com/KnickFilmSchool/status/1128727211647864833

So according to Knicks Film School to make the salaries match (or come within the required % in a trade- I think Bagely said we'd need AD to waive his trade kicker and we'd need to send out at least $22mil), we'd need to include:

Frank $4.4mil
DSJ $4.4mil
Knox $4.3mil
RJ Barrett $7.8mil

Also picks

The key is, would you also include Mitch or is that your breaking point?

The Levels are:

1) If we luck out, just keep building with youth and picks
2) Sign one Big FA this offseason (KD) to play alongside our young guys and keep building
3) Sign TWO big FA's and keep all our young guys
4) Sign TWO big FA's and trade for AD BUT do NOT include Mitch
5) Sign TWO big FA's and trade for AD giving up Mitch and whatever it takes

I'm willing to go up to level 4, maybe- definitely not 5. I'm happy at level 3, which is where I hope we'll end up this offseason.

Marv wrote:I'm level 3 all the way. I think it's the way to manage our payroll and hit the right balance with this squad. I just don't see adding AD bringing better overall value than retaining barrett, mitch, knox, dsjr, trier, dot, frank. 3 stars with no rest of the team imo won't get it done now and will ensure it won't get done later. 2 major FA's with this core of youth and the retention of our #1's brings back the most return on our current assets and sets us up for maximal continued development imo.

I'd probably have to take a few years off if the Knicks trade Mitch for AD as the FO has finally been saying the right things - roster flexibility, long-term plan, etc... Let's hope they are disciplined enough to stay the course

smackeddog wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Marv wrote:I'm level 3 all the way. I think it's the way to manage our payroll and hit the right balance with this squad. I just don't see adding AD bringing better overall value than retaining barrett, mitch, knox, dsjr, trier, dot, frank. 3 stars with no rest of the team imo won't get it done now and will ensure it won't get done later. 2 major FA's with this core of youth and the retention of our #1's brings back the most return on our current assets and sets us up for maximal continued development imo.

If all we had to give up was DSJ, Knox, Frank, Frank and the Dallas picks, would you still make the trade? Mitch is the only "young" player that would make hesitate.

Two Franks?! that would be kind of tempting as I’ve been assuming were dumping Frank anyways this offseason, I’m not sold on DSJ either. I’d like to see how Knox turns out, so it would be sad to lose him. Including the Mavs picks wouldn’t bother me as we’d essentially be trading KP, Tim Jr, Lee for AD.

Can’t decide!

Ha, I meant Barret. I'm not as high on him. I see Andrew Wiggins with more of a motor, which would make him a prime Rudy Gay. Nice player, but not someone I would lose sleep over. I'd like to see how Knox turns out too, but we're talking Anthony Davis.

My thinking is if there is a high confidence level that you can get all three and enough support to make a real run then go for it.
If not then logic dictates two things:

1. Team looks at a 2-3 year window to keep building with level 3 but that does not mean it stays static. their values would fluctuate and thus a different trade might occur down the road.
2. Durant got this all figured out with knicks and either all in or not at all. AKA: We don't have a clue!

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:What makes everyone think Mitch is a starter yet?

It's all potential at this point, but the flashes he's shown paint the picture of a player who's skillset won't be easily replicated. Even if he reaches his potential, chances are he still won't touch AD. But Mitch, on top of everything else, isn't a no-brainer for me. That said, I might still do it.

Also, the coaches rave about how quickly Mitch picks up things that he is shown. I think AD gets a Herschel Walker like return. I don’t think the Knicks should give up that much.

smackeddog wrote:So on a scale, with one end being "just build with young players and the draft" and the opposite ed being "give up the farm for established stars", where does everyone fall?

It seems we're at least looking into he possibility of trading for AD- to me, this only seems to make sense if they plan on bringing him as the third star this offseason, rather than just one of two. If that's the case, do you do it, and at what cost?

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/KnickFilmSchool/status/1128727211647864833

So according to Knicks Film School to make the salaries match (or come within the required % in a trade- I think Bagely said we'd need AD to waive his trade kicker and we'd need to send out at least $22mil), we'd need to include:

Frank $4.4mil
DSJ $4.4mil
Knox $4.3mil
RJ Barrett $7.8mil

Also picks

The key is, would you also include Mitch or is that your breaking point?

The Levels are:

1) If we luck out, just keep building with youth and picks
2) Sign one Big FA this offseason (KD) to play alongside our young guys and keep building
3) Sign TWO big FA's and keep all our young guys
4) Sign TWO big FA's and trade for AD BUT do NOT include Mitch
5) Sign TWO big FA's and trade for AD giving up Mitch and whatever it takes

I'm willing to go up to level 4, maybe- definitely not 5. I'm happy at level 3, which is where I hope we'll end up this offseason.

Prefer 4 would do 5 if we had to. I think the deal will be closer to 4 which will include Dal unprotected pick but no Mitch and us getting their 2nd round pick this year. Barrett carries A TON of value for a team to be built around Zion.Possibly the top piece of any trade they could get.

DSJ
Frank
Knox
2019 #3
Dallas Unprotected 1st round pick

For

AD
Pels 2019 2nd round pick

The Starphuch is all wonderful to have AD in NY but the details are what they and fans need to understand what Dolan seemed to not care about: The aftermath!!!

Marv wrote:I'm level 3 all the way. I think it's the way to manage our payroll and hit the right balance with this squad. I just don't see adding AD bringing better overall value than retaining barrett, mitch, knox, dsjr, trier, dot, frank. 3 stars with no rest of the team imo won't get it done now and will ensure it won't get done later. 2 major FA's with this core of youth and the retention of our #1's brings back the most return on our current assets and sets us up for maximal continued development imo.

I am with you. The only caveat is i would be willing to go after three guys if we strike out with two. I would be happy with something like Middleton, Randle, and Mirotic for example