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Yikes, that’s a lot of coin- not sure if MJ stumps up for the super max (don’t think it would be the wise)- they have some ridiculous salaries on that team, Batum’s contract is horrific (2 more years with the second paying $27mil!).

I really think the nba needs to rethink the supermax, they don’t do the small market teams any favors- I think they should change it so the extra salary of the supermax vs the normal max doesn’t count towards the cap.

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I really think the nba needs to rethink the supermax, they don’t do the small market teams any favors- I think they should change it so the extra salary of the supermax vs the normal max doesn’t count towards the cap.

Another alternative would be if the supermax premium over regular max wouldn't count against the luxury tax. I think there's pure benefit for the player to stick around with the incumbent team. It's going to cost their team their salary + the "extra year" + likely lux tax implications. The benefit for the team is that they get to keep the player. I guess the question is whether that last point is enough of a win.

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Seems to have been a definite cooling down of kyrie to ny talk- now Lakers and nets are considered to have the best chance to sign him. The nets rumor claimed they’d be fine pairing him with d’angelo but that’s clearly BS (it would be like the Marburg/Francis pairing). Still think they’re a big threat to land kyrie and AD

if KD prefers Kemba well GREAT because Kemba and MSG were made for each other. Kyrie is still better but Kemba ain't too far behind

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Seems to have been a definite cooling down of kyrie to ny talk- now Lakers and nets are considered to have the best chance to sign him. The nets rumor claimed they’d be fine pairing him with d’angelo but that’s clearly BS (it would be like the Marburg/Francis pairing). Still think they’re a big threat to land kyrie and AD

if KD prefers Kemba well GREAT because Kemba and MSG were made for each other. Kyrie is still better but Kemba ain't too far behind

He’s very far behind. He’s not nearly as efficient and he doesn’t have the playoff experience.

For the record, I WOULD love to have Kemba and KD if other options aren’t there. Kemba is not as good as Kyrie though.... and I’m not really a Kyrie fan.

The Knicks do need a veteran starter PG .. Hopefully a 2-Way performer like FA Klay? Or FA Beverley? Or trade for Conley $$$ contract?

Looking forward to finding out soon. Guessing is fun but Id like to see where the team is really headed.

Avengers wrote:I like Kyrie but his stinky attitude is so off putting. I don’t know how long the honeymoon period would last between him and Durant.

Kyrie May be the worst locker room “leader” out there.

injuries and character are my two main worries about Kyrie. Kemba seems more durable and a comes across asa really nice guy, but is a worse shooter and is older. Ultimately KD saves us from this dilemma as we basically sign whichever one he wants (if either/both want to come here).

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Yikes, that’s a lot of coin- not sure if MJ stumps up for the super max (don’t think it would be the wise)- they have some ridiculous salaries on that team, Batum’s contract is horrific (2 more years with the second paying $27mil!).

I really think the nba needs to rethink the supermax, they don’t do the small market teams any favors- I think they should change it so the extra salary of the supermax vs the normal max doesn’t count towards the cap.

The SuperMax, in theory, actually is a fail safe option for small market franchises. From a marketing/sales perspective.

You need an "anchor" for your marketing. Essentially think of Mark McGwire on some pretty bad A's teams. One player you can use as a selling point to fans and drive some nationally broadcast games/local sponsors and keep jerseys selling and whatnot.

The problem is two fold

1) There is a very narrow talent pool in the NBA. This has all kinds of fallout but it means there are too few marketable players to help drive and sustain a franchise ( this doesn't even begin to address the issue of winning)

2) Brands, esp the shoe companies, are really the employers of many of the elite players. The SuperMax won't compete with Nike giving some players some massive endorsement contract ( or silent under the table money or other incentives) to go one place over another.

Creating tax exemptions or salary loopholes benefits CASH RICH TEAMS. Remember when the Yankees and Red Sox would go to war over a Dice K or a Contreras or even a Fat Toad Irabu? And no other team even bothered trying because no one could outspend those two teams? While that was nice for us Yankees fans to have those choices, it was bad for the entire sport. The Big Three in Miami, the Heatles, was great for South Beach, but it gutted two other franchises to do it. That's not good for the sport as a whole.

The league needs a hard cap and widespread use of non guaranteed contracts, with locked in money coming in from signing bonuses that impact the cap against the length of the contract ( the NFL system essentially)

Signing John Wall is one issue. Being forced to keep him is another massive issue. But they are separate resource management issues.

Folks here have to step outside their shoes as Knicks diehards and put themselves into the shoes of an Atlanta Hawks fan. From that perspective, what makes the league function for every team is a much different story.

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smackeddog wrote:

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Yikes, that’s a lot of coin- not sure if MJ stumps up for the super max (don’t think it would be the wise)- they have some ridiculous salaries on that team, Batum’s contract is horrific (2 more years with the second paying $27mil!).

I really think the nba needs to rethink the supermax, they don’t do the small market teams any favors- I think they should change it so the extra salary of the supermax vs the normal max doesn’t count towards the cap.

The SuperMax, in theory, actually is a fail safe option for small market franchises. From a marketing/sales perspective.

You need an "anchor" for your marketing. Essentially think of Mark McGwire on some pretty bad A's teams. One player you can use as a selling point to fans and drive some nationally broadcast games/local sponsors and keep jerseys selling and whatnot.

The problem is two fold

1) There is a very narrow talent pool in the NBA. This has all kinds of fallout but it means there are too few marketable players to help drive and sustain a franchise ( this doesn't even begin to address the issue of winning)

2) Brands, esp the shoe companies, are really the employers of many of the elite players. The SuperMax won't compete with Nike giving some players some massive endorsement contract ( or silent under the table money or other incentives) to go one place over another.

Creating tax exemptions or salary loopholes benefits CASH RICH TEAMS. Remember when the Yankees and Red Sox would go to war over a Dice K or a Contreras or even a Fat Toad Irabu? And no other team even bothered trying because no one could outspend those two teams? While that was nice for us Yankees fans to have those choices, it was bad for the entire sport. The Big Three in Miami, the Heatles, was great for South Beach, but it gutted two other franchises to do it. That's not good for the sport as a whole.

The league needs a hard cap and widespread use of non guaranteed contracts, with locked in money coming in from signing bonuses that impact the cap against the length of the contract ( the NFL system essentially)

Signing John Wall is one issue. Being forced to keep him is another massive issue. But they are separate resource management issues.

Folks here have to step outside their shoes as Knicks diehards and put themselves into the shoes of an Atlanta Hawks fan. From that perspective, what makes the league function for every team is a much different story.

Good ideas. The secret society of brands paying conspiracy is logical, but these guys have contracts. Why not just provide an opt out and players can renegotiate based on play and team? AD more valuable in NY than Nola? Yes. does Nike give under the table money as incentive to make up for not resigning with Nola?
His leverage now is to say where he'll resign and where he won't. I get it. The No trade clause if he got one would not start until his new deal?

I think small market teams would benefit from a cap on big contracts. Say player makes 54mill, it only counts as 30 via cap. They still paying the salary but it helps keep a good team together and the tax. Should be for players of certain age and tenure? GSW can keep a core together and still compete.

smackeddog wrote:If MJ does decide to give Kemba the supermax and we luck out on big name FA, hornets should be an excellent trade partner for us as they’ll be looking to dump some bad contracts. They have Biyombo at 1 yr $17mil, Marvin Williams at 1yr $15mil, MKG at 1yr and $13mil. We could pick up 1st rounders, Monk, Kaminsky, whatever.

Don't forget Nick Batum!!!
Not enough time in the the day to figure out what in gods name Hornets are doing. Kupchek im my opinion would be best served letting these contracts dry up and go away. really he can't move them and dump assets as he'll be left with just cap space.
He should have traded Kemba. Kupchek has just finished his first year in charlotte and I can't blame him for the years of over spending and drafting poorly.
My take is Jordan has a tough time delegating previously.
Kemba is not worth the super max and they will get screwed if they resign him to it down the road. He is simply not worth it.
what one has to project is how he will play on a more talented roster. Never went deep enough to a rebuild which is problematic demonstrated by the current roster.