Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:Durant wants to win. Even with Kyrie they are a long shot.

Everyone wants to win. But he already did the easy championship ride thing. I think he's finding out that while he's getting his hardware, the opinion of his legacy isn't changing. What would change his legacy is winning in NY, championship or not. Not everything is championship or bust. Lillard is a great example of that. Durant having his 2 titles already gives him that freedom to do his own thing. The bar has been set really low in NY. He can have a huge impact.

Assuming GSW wins, and he has three rings and maybe 3 series MVP's, its kind of a pretty solid legacy. He was the MVP of that team.
Does he or even LeBron at this stage of their careers really look at their legacy ones the net worth is in the hundreds of millions, MVP's on the shelf and three fingers of rings? Im sure their perspectives change as they mature. It does for everyone. If there is a need for more chips, he'll pursue the best ave for that. Staying put would be the most statistically best chance if Klay returns. That's easy.
Lebron in my mind choose to lifestyle in conjunction to his perception to win. I doubt he really thought they would contend this year. Making the playoffs would be a great goal, maybe go a round. Seems unlikely but we are not in his head.
Same for Durant. He is also entitled and expected to change his perceptions and grow as a person in time. His legacy is set. To do it in NYC? Only if he perceives it to be special. Second question I dare say is "which team in NYC?" I hope he wants a knick legacy.

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:Durant wants to win. Even with Kyrie they are a long shot.

Everyone wants to win. But he already did the easy championship ride thing. I think he's finding out that while he's getting his hardware, the opinion of his legacy isn't changing. What would change his legacy is winning in NY, championship or not. Not everything is championship or bust. Lillard is a great example of that. Durant having his 2 titles already gives him that freedom to do his own thing. The bar has been set really low in NY. He can have a huge impact.

Assuming GSW wins, and he has three rings and maybe 3 series MVP's, its kind of a pretty solid legacy. He was the MVP of that team.
Does he or even LeBron at this stage of their careers really look at their legacy ones the net worth is in the hundreds of millions, MVP's on the shelf and three fingers of rings? Im sure their perspectives change as they mature. It does for everyone. If there is a need for more chips, he'll pursue the best ave for that. Staying put would be the most statistically best chance if Klay returns. That's easy.
Lebron in my mind choose to lifestyle in conjunction to his perception to win. I doubt he really thought they would contend this year. Making the playoffs would be a great goal, maybe go a round. Seems unlikely but we are not in his head.
Same for Durant. He is also entitled and expected to change his perceptions and grow as a person in time. His legacy is set. To do it in NYC? Only if he perceives it to be special. Second question I dare say is "which team in NYC?" I hope he wants a knick legacy.

He can win all the titles in GS, but the perception is still that he jumped on the bandwagon. At some point one of these great players has to say "where will winning matter the most?" and "where can I get the most credit for elevating a franchise?" The knicks are the obvious answer.

I can see Walker coming.

Marv wrote:no offense but i cannot imagine ANYONE wanting to make their legacy playing for the brooklyn nets.

None taken!!! On the surface both teams have compelling stories.
Your a knick fan. I understand where your coming from. Understand there are Knick fans and far fewer Net fans but first team to win a chip will capture a lot of new fans. I am dyed in the woolknick fan because of 1969-1974 era. I have explained I was an ABA net fan at the same time. Nets post ABA never resonated with me past 1976. In the Kidd era I wanted them to win, but was not like rooting for knicks. Not even close.
But, don't be naïve that a championship run will grab gobs of fans and once on the bandwagon they might be there for life. Its how it works.
So you don't have to get it to understand the opportunity that exists. You just have to hope Durant does not see it.
If Russell is the real deal and the others, with their picks going forward and Durant they can be sneaky good.

Marv, I dont' hate them so I can be objective. That's all, just objective. Not preaching or selling a concept. Lets be real I'd rather the Knicks and Nets have a formable rivalry then one with the Wiz or others. Its more interesting.
Respect is earned. Nets have earned mine. Knicks are my team but with 17 wins they are not respected out side the fandom. That must be earned!!!!

Marv wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Marv wrote:no offense but i cannot imagine ANYONE wanting to make their legacy playing for the brooklyn nets.

None taken!!! On the surface both teams have compelling stories.
Your a knick fan. I understand where your coming from. Understand there are Knick fans and far fewer Net fans but first team to win a chip will capture a lot of new fans. I am dyed in the woolknick fan because of 1969-1974 era. I have explained I was an ABA net fan at the same time. Nets post ABA never resonated with me past 1976. In the Kidd era I wanted them to win, but was not like rooting for knicks. Not even close.
But, don't be naïve that a championship run will grab gobs of fans and once on the bandwagon they might be there for life. Its how it works.
So you don't have to get it to understand the opportunity that exists. You just have to hope Durant does not see it.
If Russell is the real deal and the others, with their picks going forward and Durant they can be sneaky good.

Marv, I dont' hate them so I can be objective. That's all, just objective. Not preaching or selling a concept. Lets be real I'd rather the Knicks and Nets have a formable rivalry then one with the Wiz or others. Its more interesting.
Respect is earned. Nets have earned mine. Knicks are my team but with 17 wins they are not respected out side the fandom. That must be earned!!!!

Fandom is a beautiful thing!!

I loved the aba and my team was st louis. Marvin barnes, maurice lucas, gus gerard, fly williams, that team was INSANE and so much damn fun.

Have always hated the nba nets. Especially when they were crushing us during the kidd eera. I did end up really appreciating their game though and rooted for them hard against the west in the finals.

Have to say to me the nets in brooklyn are pathetic. When you see someone in that black and white cap you just kind of look down and shake your ahead cuz they're like a small town mom and pop operation around here. Ironically i was at their first home game in brooklyn, tho not through any fault of my own. I was holding tickets to their 2nd game with fish and dj against . . . you guessed it, the craptors. But their initial game, against the knicks, was cancelled because everything was still flooded out from sandy. So game 2 was their first game and the production was so rinky-dink it was tough to take. This is a big-ass opening in nyc, a major event, and there were exactly 2 celebs in attendance - and they were part owners (Jay Z and beyonce). i did root for them that night because, well they were playing the craptors and i was with dj and i know you know how that goes.

So anyway i'm 100% biased in my reactions to them. Objectively they have a lot to be proud of putting this year together, especially in coming back from the garnett/pierce debacle. But would they be a draw for a free agent? On anything even close to a par with the knicks? Cannot see it at all. If they started to really win, could that change? Maybe, but again they are not responded to here in anything like how the knicks are. Just my take and it's hard to shake.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Durant wants to win. Even with Kyrie they are a long shot.

when my sandwhich needs salt Ill call you!

KD may change his mind but this is the perfect destination for him and I believe we have not only a shot but are the favorite destination for him to sign

Perfect for KD or for you?

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:Durant wants to win. Even with Kyrie they are a long shot.

Everyone wants to win. But he already did the easy championship ride thing. I think he's finding out that while he's getting his hardware, the opinion of his legacy isn't changing. What would change his legacy is winning in NY, championship or not. Not everything is championship or bust. Lillard is a great example of that. Durant having his 2 titles already gives him that freedom to do his own thing. The bar has been set really low in NY. He can have a huge impact.

Assuming GSW wins, and he has three rings and maybe 3 series MVP's, its kind of a pretty solid legacy. He was the MVP of that team.
Does he or even LeBron at this stage of their careers really look at their legacy ones the net worth is in the hundreds of millions, MVP's on the shelf and three fingers of rings? Im sure their perspectives change as they mature. It does for everyone. If there is a need for more chips, he'll pursue the best ave for that. Staying put would be the most statistically best chance if Klay returns. That's easy.
Lebron in my mind choose to lifestyle in conjunction to his perception to win. I doubt he really thought they would contend this year. Making the playoffs would be a great goal, maybe go a round. Seems unlikely but we are not in his head.
Same for Durant. He is also entitled and expected to change his perceptions and grow as a person in time. His legacy is set. To do it in NYC? Only if he perceives it to be special. Second question I dare say is "which team in NYC?" I hope he wants a knick legacy.

Don't you dare, the New Jersey Nets need to win in Brooklyn before they can become a NYC team

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Vmart wrote:Durant wants to win. Even with Kyrie they are a long shot.

Everyone wants to win. But he already did the easy championship ride thing. I think he's finding out that while he's getting his hardware, the opinion of his legacy isn't changing. What would change his legacy is winning in NY, championship or not. Not everything is championship or bust. Lillard is a great example of that. Durant having his 2 titles already gives him that freedom to do his own thing. The bar has been set really low in NY. He can have a huge impact.

Assuming GSW wins, and he has three rings and maybe 3 series MVP's, its kind of a pretty solid legacy. He was the MVP of that team.
Does he or even LeBron at this stage of their careers really look at their legacy ones the net worth is in the hundreds of millions, MVP's on the shelf and three fingers of rings? Im sure their perspectives change as they mature. It does for everyone. If there is a need for more chips, he'll pursue the best ave for that. Staying put would be the most statistically best chance if Klay returns. That's easy.
Lebron in my mind choose to lifestyle in conjunction to his perception to win. I doubt he really thought they would contend this year. Making the playoffs would be a great goal, maybe go a round. Seems unlikely but we are not in his head.
Same for Durant. He is also entitled and expected to change his perceptions and grow as a person in time. His legacy is set. To do it in NYC? Only if he perceives it to be special. Second question I dare say is "which team in NYC?" I hope he wants a knick legacy.

So basically KD would be coming to the Knicks to collect a check just like many other before him. Winning is important to KD that is why he will not choose the Knicks.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Durant wants to win. Even with Kyrie they are a long shot.

when my sandwhich needs salt Ill call you!

KD may change his mind but this is the perfect destination for him and I believe we have not only a shot but are the favorite destination for him to sign

Perfect for KD or for you?

for KD. If you were anything but salty you would know there is a reason NYK is the favored destination and why literally everyone allowed to is saying he's going to NYK. Even his own GM and coach know he's gone and are "just focused on winning this year"

Who told you Durant? If you were a basketball player of KD quality and had destination that were better suited to winning would you turn those destinations down? If so why?