signing durant and kyrie is a shortcut to relevancy. they haven't had a chance like this in ages. why do people insist on wanting to go with young guys and hope they develop. i do whatever it takes to get them here and if they aren't drafting number 1 i'd trade the pick. development in the nba only works if you commit years to it.

also don't even get me started on signing middleton. he'd be another waste of money for the knicks.

jskinny35 wrote:As someone previously said, signing Durant and Kyrie is a shortcut. Agree it makes sense to draft best talent but is it a closer decision between Ja over RJ if we really know Kyrie is coming? Can we really see Ja waiting 2-3 years with limited minutes playing behind Kyrie? I don't want Kyrie regardless - but it seems like a package deal with Durant... Ja seems like the guy you hand the keys to and let him go. I've moved on from the possible Ja vs DSJr situation, but still think Ja off the bench until Kyrie leaves/moves on may be a problem we don't want (and both seem to need the ball in their hands and don't play defense well enough to consider playing together).

I'd rather scrap the free agent point guard thing if Ja is the best talent when we pick - even if it means Durant won't come. Can always go for Kris Middleton-types and save some coin while letting a Ja take the floor with our young players. We could potentially lose 2 years of development with a divided roster (1/2 young and 1/2 vets) and be left with the same guys who are not much better after Durant and Kyrie leave in 2-3 years. Hopefully we get Zion so this is all a moot point. Know this is probably a very unpopular position but just don't see it working out... anybody else?

Let's frame it differently: You have Clyde the Glide on your team, do you draft MJ or someone else (even if MJ turned out to be only as good as Clyde).

For me, having too much very good talent is a problem to welcome.

But Draft Zion. Please. It's been a loooooooooong time since 1985. NBA owes this franchise another frozen envelope, Debusschere desk-pounding moment. (Cue TripleThreat with a story about the fat ugly desk at the end of the bar, that nobody would marry, who's got no kids, but tells everyone how to raise theirs...)

I would hate to have to "settle" for Morant, mr. la-dee-da on defense... when you've got a legit monster who plays both ends, the sides, the roof, the walls...

jrodmc wrote:Could the Yankees need more help in the bullpen? Sure, why not. Sign KD, Sign Kyrie, Sign Clyde, Sign MJ, Sign Bill Russell, Sign Wilt...

But Draft Zion. Please. It's been a loooooooooong time since 1985. NBA owes this franchise another frozen envelope, Debusschere desk-pounding moment. (Cue TripleThreat with a story about the fat ugly desk at the end of the bar, that nobody would marry, who's got no kids, but tells everyone how to raise theirs...)

I would hate to have to "settle" for Morant, mr. la-dee-da on defense... when you've got a legit monster who plays both ends, the sides, the roof, the walls...

Since 1985 the Knicks have never moved up in the lottery(Though I think Chi might have had the Knicks pick when they landed the #2 which was the LMA draft). While it's impossible to move up with the worst record. All we are asking is that we maintain the pick our record indicates. To move down again(even with the similar odds). I believe we should riot, and not accept this ****ery the NBA continues to provide us 😁.

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jskinny35 wrote:As someone previously said, signing Durant and Kyrie is a shortcut. Agree it makes sense to draft best talent but is it a closer decision between Ja over RJ if we really know Kyrie is coming? Can we really see Ja waiting 2-3 years with limited minutes playing behind Kyrie? I don't want Kyrie regardless - but it seems like a package deal with Durant... Ja seems like the guy you hand the keys to and let him go. I've moved on from the possible Ja vs DSJr situation, but still think Ja off the bench until Kyrie leaves/moves on may be a problem we don't want (and both seem to need the ball in their hands and don't play defense well enough to consider playing together).

I'd rather scrap the free agent point guard thing if Ja is the best talent when we pick - even if it means Durant won't come. Can always go for Kris Middleton-types and save some coin while letting a Ja take the floor with our young players. We could potentially lose 2 years of development with a divided roster (1/2 young and 1/2 vets) and be left with the same guys who are not much better after Durant and Kyrie leave in 2-3 years. Hopefully we get Zion so this is all a moot point. Know this is probably a very unpopular position but just don't see it working out... anybody else?

Let's frame it differently: You have Clyde the Glide on your team, do you draft MJ or someone else (even if MJ turned out to be only as good as Clyde).

For me, having too much very good talent is a problem to welcome.

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Imagine bailing now, after all the suffering, when we're just a month from the lottery and a few months from the off-season (at least wait until we luck out!)

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martin wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:As someone previously said, signing Durant and Kyrie is a shortcut. Agree it makes sense to draft best talent but is it a closer decision between Ja over RJ if we really know Kyrie is coming? Can we really see Ja waiting 2-3 years with limited minutes playing behind Kyrie? I don't want Kyrie regardless - but it seems like a package deal with Durant... Ja seems like the guy you hand the keys to and let him go. I've moved on from the possible Ja vs DSJr situation, but still think Ja off the bench until Kyrie leaves/moves on may be a problem we don't want (and both seem to need the ball in their hands and don't play defense well enough to consider playing together).

I'd rather scrap the free agent point guard thing if Ja is the best talent when we pick - even if it means Durant won't come. Can always go for Kris Middleton-types and save some coin while letting a Ja take the floor with our young players. We could potentially lose 2 years of development with a divided roster (1/2 young and 1/2 vets) and be left with the same guys who are not much better after Durant and Kyrie leave in 2-3 years. Hopefully we get Zion so this is all a moot point. Know this is probably a very unpopular position but just don't see it working out... anybody else?

Let's frame it differently: You have Clyde the Glide on your team, do you draft MJ or someone else (even if MJ turned out to be only as good as Clyde).

For me, having too much very good talent is a problem to welcome.

Big differance between PG's and wings. Both Jordan and CLyde succede playing on or off the ball. Ja will not be effective off the ball

I don't know if that is accurate . He can hit the 3. He is willing to cut to the basket. He is willing to get in the paint and rebound in traffic. He has shown natural feel for the game with or without the ball.

Questions are there about his defense. Though he has all the physical tools to be a good defender. But he creates easy shots for other players continiously. That has been hard to come by here.

Him and Barrett would be in the discussion at 2 if that was the case. And Barret would provide almost the same questions even though he will play the wing. Barrett isn't a knock down shooter and will need the ball more to be effective. Morant looks like a better prospect to me though when all said and done.

I think he has the skill, talent, athleticsim, and feel for the game to make it work even if Kyrie was in the fold. Because skill and size wise they both can cover for either guard position.

Knicksfan wrote:I’m starting to get the feeling that we won’t sign anybody. Not because we don’t want to, but because none of our real options will represent an improvement good enough to tie yourself to a long contract. Durant is probably not coming and Irving isn’t coming alone. Leonard is probably going to the Clippers.

If that actually happens, I just hope we do get one of the first three picks so we can continue a slow rebuilding with Zion/Ja/Barret leading the pack.

You see what you still don't realize is we are not rebuilding. Rebuilding would require a young core that's improving every game, but what we have is a young core that is not getting better, and in some cases getting worse.

In 4 yrs we have had KP, Willy, Kuz, Grant, frank, thj, dotson, trier, mitch, langston galloway, knox, they should have all been on the knicks, and we should be on the Denver Nuggets level..thats development and building something.

But we lose so much and so often, that our young guys look lost, coaches get fired, presidents get fired, looker rooms get divided, no leadership, no accountability, and a owner who bans fans for asking him to retire and sell the team..

The culture is just as bad as it's ever been...probably as bad as the larry brown yrs