knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Josiah31 wrote:Morant show you enough? Had a triple double. 19 points, 16 assists, and 12 Reb. He looked really good! He either scored or assisted on 53 of their points. Crazy.

I would actual pick him over Zion because he is needed in this ISO heavy system FIZ allows, I would rather see him dishing and swishing as oppose to Zion trying go one on one, or KD, or who ever we get.

Zion shows signs of possible greatness exactly because of his team oriented play. Same with KD.
You do not know what are you talking about.
Not sure about you Fiz fixation also. Why you care what transitional development coaches do outside of players development?
If he is not an answer for us when we will have some NBA level roster in couple of years there are a lot of very good coaches always available.

Dude I said the same thing about trey young last yr, Im not saying KD and Zion are ISO players, but our Guards are, and don't have the vision and IQ of JA morant.

Morant has the IQ of D Wade, he's as athletic as DSJ and westbrook, and the vision of rubio and trey young. He is a PG that will make guys like Mitch and Knox much better players, his IQ is through the roof.

Zion is a sf/pf the same position Knox plays, the same position KD plays(if we get him), that's a unbalance roster with players that don't really fit..

If we draft Zion, i would then trade frank and knox

Zion would still need that PG. It would have to be either Mudiay or we sign Irving and even that’s not a guaranteed awesome pair. People overlook Tre Joness’ importance to Duke way too much.

Allanfan20 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Josiah31 wrote:Morant show you enough? Had a triple double. 19 points, 16 assists, and 12 Reb. He looked really good! He either scored or assisted on 53 of their points. Crazy.

I would actual pick him over Zion because he is needed in this ISO heavy system FIZ allows, I would rather see him dishing and swishing as oppose to Zion trying go one on one, or KD, or who ever we get.

Zion shows signs of possible greatness exactly because of his team oriented play. Same with KD.
You do not know what are you talking about.
Not sure about you Fiz fixation also. Why you care what transitional development coaches do outside of players development?
If he is not an answer for us when we will have some NBA level roster in couple of years there are a lot of very good coaches always available.

Dude I said the same thing about trey young last yr, Im not saying KD and Zion are ISO players, but our Guards are, and don't have the vision and IQ of JA morant.

Morant has the IQ of D Wade, he's as athletic as DSJ and westbrook, and the vision of rubio and trey young. He is a PG that will make guys like Mitch and Knox much better players, his IQ is through the roof.

Zion is a sf/pf the same position Knox plays, the same position KD plays(if we get him), that's a unbalance roster with players that don't really fit..

If we draft Zion, i would then trade frank and knox

Zion would still need that PG. It would have to be either Mudiay or we sign Irving and even that’s not a guaranteed awesome pair. People overlook Tre Joness’ importance to Duke way too much.

yes he would, and i'm concern about his lack of perimeter game

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Cartman718 wrote:Which will ensure top 5 pick but does nothing much for us. Top pick plus 2 top FAs summer. Anything but Zion...trade the pick

Disagree. I might entertain a trade for AD for the pick and nothing more. Frankly i think that might work. Why would Pels want LA's team (minus Lebron) who has shown they can't win; they can do better. If boston were to throw Tatum at them, that would eb hard to overcome. Pels would have to decide if Tatum > than prospect of generational talent

But putting that trade aside, we absolutely must keep the pick. Ja Morant is exactly the kind of PG we need; will make life easier for everyone else. Also we just need star talent. We don't need depth of mediocre players. And we need stars on rookie deals

BigDaddyG wrote:
Knox ain't stopping us from us drafting Zion. If he develops, he becomes our third forward and a trade chip. That's like saying DSJ should stop us from drafting Morant, even if the scouts have Morant as the second highest rated prospect. I'm not that high on Morant anyway because of his shot. Fox's shot sucked in college, but his form looked good and he was solid from the line/mid-range. That push shot thing Morant has now will likely need to be overhauled in the NBA.

Fair point. I'd like to think we oculd fix the shot. We can't fix DSJ or Frank or Mud's court vision though to get Ja's dynamic

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Josiah31 wrote:Morant show you enough? Had a triple double. 19 points, 16 assists, and 12 Reb. He looked really good! He either scored or assisted on 53 of their points. Crazy.

I would actual pick him over Zion because he is needed in this ISO heavy system FIZ allows, I would rather see him dishing and swishing as oppose to Zion trying go one on one, or KD, or who ever we get.

Zion shows signs of possible greatness exactly because of his team oriented play. Same with KD.
You do not know what are you talking about.
Not sure about you Fiz fixation also. Why you care what transitional development coaches do outside of players development?
If he is not an answer for us when we will have some NBA level roster in couple of years there are a lot of very good coaches always available.

Dude I said the same thing about trey young last yr, Im not saying KD and Zion are ISO players, but our Guards are, and don't have the vision and IQ of JA morant.

Morant has the IQ of D Wade, he's as athletic as DSJ and westbrook, and the vision of rubio and trey young. He is a PG that will make guys like Mitch and Knox much better players, his IQ is through the roof.

Zion is a sf/pf the same position Knox plays, the same position KD plays(if we get him), that's a unbalance roster with players that don't really fit..

If we draft Zion, i would then trade frank and knox

Knox ain't stopping us from us drafting Zion. If he develops, he becomes our third forward and a trade chip. That's like saying DSJ should stop us from drafting Morant, even if the scouts have Morant as the second highest rated prospect. I'm not that high on Morant anyway because of his shot. Fox's shot sucked in college, but his form looked good and he was solid from the line/mid-range. That push shot thing Morant has now will likely need to be overhauled in the NBA.

Does zion have a perimeter shot? are you kidding me, his game isn't going to translate as well in the NBA as Morant.

I want a player that specializes in setting up his teammates, and loves to do it..Zion is more like Amare with better defense, and Amare without steve nash and felton was not as good

Amare didnt try to develop a post-up game until the last 15 minutes of his career. Zion already has one. Check out this article, talks about Zion's BBall IQ.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/sports/colleges/zion-williamson-is-known-for-his-brawn-duke-teammates-respect-him-for-his-brain/2019/03/20/cc65e35c-4a8a-11e9-93d0-64dbcf38ba41_story.html

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Josiah31 wrote:Morant show you enough? Had a triple double. 19 points, 16 assists, and 12 Reb. He looked really good! He either scored or assisted on 53 of their points. Crazy.

I would actual pick him over Zion because he is needed in this ISO heavy system FIZ allows, I would rather see him dishing and swishing as oppose to Zion trying go one on one, or KD, or who ever we get.

Zion shows signs of possible greatness exactly because of his team oriented play. Same with KD.
You do not know what are you talking about.
Not sure about you Fiz fixation also. Why you care what transitional development coaches do outside of players development?
If he is not an answer for us when we will have some NBA level roster in couple of years there are a lot of very good coaches always available.

Dude I said the same thing about trey young last yr, Im not saying KD and Zion are ISO players, but our Guards are, and don't have the vision and IQ of JA morant.

Morant has the IQ of D Wade, he's as athletic as DSJ and westbrook, and the vision of rubio and trey young. He is a PG that will make guys like Mitch and Knox much better players, his IQ is through the roof.

Zion is a sf/pf the same position Knox plays, the same position KD plays(if we get him), that's a unbalance roster with players that don't really fit..

If we draft Zion, i would then trade frank and knox

Knox ain't stopping us from us drafting Zion. If he develops, he becomes our third forward and a trade chip. That's like saying DSJ should stop us from drafting Morant, even if the scouts have Morant as the second highest rated prospect. I'm not that high on Morant anyway because of his shot. Fox's shot sucked in college, but his form looked good and he was solid from the line/mid-range. That push shot thing Morant has now will likely need to be overhauled in the NBA.

Does zion have a perimeter shot? are you kidding me, his game isn't going to translate as well in the NBA as Morant.

I want a player that specializes in setting up his teammates, and loves to do it..Zion is more like Amare with better defense, and Amare without steve nash and felton was not as good

Amare didnt try to develop a post-up game until the last 15 minutes of his career. Zion already has one. Check out this article, talks about Zion's BBall IQ.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/sports/colleges/zion-williamson-is-known-for-his-brawn-duke-teammates-respect-him-for-his-brain/2019/03/20/cc65e35c-4a8a-11e9-93d0-64dbcf38ba41_story.html

Zion can be the best player in the NBA in 6 yrs much like Great Freak is arguably today. He is the type that would be in the running for defensive player of the year and still put up 25pts per game. With double digit rebounds and 5-7 ast per game.

He can slide in with other great players and do all the little things if nessesary. Or he can take over games and put the team on his back.

blkexec wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Josiah31 wrote:Morant show you enough? Had a triple double. 19 points, 16 assists, and 12 Reb. He looked really good! He either scored or assisted on 53 of their points. Crazy.

I would actual pick him over Zion because he is needed in this ISO heavy system FIZ allows, I would rather see him dishing and swishing as oppose to Zion trying go one on one, or KD, or who ever we get.

Zion shows signs of possible greatness exactly because of his team oriented play. Same with KD.
You do not know what are you talking about.
Not sure about you Fiz fixation also. Why you care what transitional development coaches do outside of players development?
If he is not an answer for us when we will have some NBA level roster in couple of years there are a lot of very good coaches always available.

Dude I said the same thing about trey young last yr, Im not saying KD and Zion are ISO players, but our Guards are, and don't have the vision and IQ of JA morant.

Morant has the IQ of D Wade, he's as athletic as DSJ and westbrook, and the vision of rubio and trey young. He is a PG that will make guys like Mitch and Knox much better players, his IQ is through the roof.

Zion is a sf/pf the same position Knox plays, the same position KD plays(if we get him), that's a unbalance roster with players that don't really fit..

If we draft Zion, i would then trade frank and knox

Knox ain't stopping us from us drafting Zion. If he develops, he becomes our third forward and a trade chip. That's like saying DSJ should stop us from drafting Morant, even if the scouts have Morant as the second highest rated prospect. I'm not that high on Morant anyway because of his shot. Fox's shot sucked in college, but his form looked good and he was solid from the line/mid-range. That push shot thing Morant has now will likely need to be overhauled in the NBA.

Does zion have a perimeter shot? are you kidding me, his game isn't going to translate as well in the NBA as Morant.

I want a player that specializes in setting up his teammates, and loves to do it..Zion is more like Amare with better defense, and Amare without steve nash and felton was not as good

Amare didnt try to develop a post-up game until the last 15 minutes of his career. Zion already has one. Check out this article, talks about Zion's BBall IQ.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/sports/colleges/zion-williamson-is-known-for-his-brawn-duke-teammates-respect-him-for-his-brain/2019/03/20/cc65e35c-4a8a-11e9-93d0-64dbcf38ba41_story.html

Zion can be the best player in the NBA in 6 yrs much like Great Freak is arguably today. He is the type that would be in the running for defensive player of the year and still put up 25pts per game. With double digit rebounds and 5-7 ast per game.

He can slide in with other great players and do all the little things if nessesary. Or he can take over games and put the team on his back.

Well....based on last nights game. As expected....Taco Falls at 7'6 looks like a lock for defensive player when he gets drafted. He made zion look small.

I think that's a small sample size but zion might have some problems against bigger NBA forwards and centers.

In comparison.....I dont see Ja Morant having an adjustment issue at the next level. Hes similar to the Portland guards of the NBA. Lue William's and Trae Young. The NBA rules cater to the guard play.

Taco makes everyone look small, he is 7'6. Zion got the And 1 on him to foul him out the game and most likely sealed the win with that play.

Zion does so many little things that he is gonna get his regardless. He isn't one dimensional. He is gonna get double digit buckets just off motor and physical gifts. His motor is so high. He has to be accounted for every possession all 24 seconds of it on or off ball. But he isn't just an athletic hustle player that needs a PG to set him up. He has the potential to anchor defenses and offenses.

Also Cam Reddish at 6-8, and on defense is impressive. Cam Reddish hit the most important shot last nite. A three when the team was about to fold. We drop to 4 or 5 and boo all you want when we call his name. Reddish might be one of those players stifled in the shadow of Barrett and Zion. In fact I might say every player in the this draft is clearly a step below this kid. Does this make the draft really weak or really about Zion??
I like Culver better than Reddish. The obvious four is zion, Jah, Barrett, and Culver. The rest is not sorted out.
Reddish is on prime time so his exposure is there. Funny, he might be a "Sleeper"!

I have no doubt Zion will have growing pains in the NBA. But my god what a prospect!!!!