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martin
Posts: 68680 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
3/20/2019 6:24 PM
knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Nice year over year development by this kid and our staff. His talent hasn't done anything in 4 years. What about his talent does he have that points to an inkling of doing good things? What exactly do you see? And your statement about playing around high IQ players who play winning basketball is as generic as can be. You can pretty much say that about every player. Time to put some adult pants on and actually post something that has some insight in it. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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franco12
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3/20/2019 7:48 PM
martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Nice year over year development by this kid and our staff. I think he could be a nice role player - smart enough to fill a role. He's not a stand out talent. He's not someone you build around. Look - my opinion - maybe shared by others. I certainly don't pay him $8m. If I could give him 3/4 years at $4/5M per, last year an option - I might because I could eat the deal if I had to. KD can't play 240 minutes. |
martin
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3/20/2019 8:05 PM
franco12 wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Nice year over year development by this kid and our staff. What role? Defender? Floor spacer? Facilitator? Just there to eat minutes that another player doesn't play? What has Mario done to earn a multi year deal? This is not a trick question. Point to something that you feel Mario is good at or could be good at. What role? Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
3/20/2019 8:47 PM LAST EDITED: 3/20/2019 8:48 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd. You can go back to when Frank was drafted, Ive never harped on Frank's shooting pct, not doing it now. Frank's shooting actually hasn't concerned me, its his lack of aggressiveness. His unwillingness to draw contact to get to the line. If Frank played D, and took it to the other team, was a threat at the rim (with his height, and wingspan), the lack of consistent shooting would be more tolerable. Right now its almost entirely defense. Wrong decade for that.
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martin
Posts: 68680 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
3/20/2019 10:01 PM
GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd. I think Triple made reference with the same thing regarding Frank: He needs that edge. And a shot. If he can't bring both, he won't be long for the NBA. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
3/20/2019 10:09 PM
martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd. Been saying this since Frank's first game. Was told I was being too hasty, by you among others. |
Cartman718
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3/20/2019 10:19 PM
FO better not trade WholeTeamDot
Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL
So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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martin
Posts: 68680 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
3/20/2019 10:33 PM
GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd. There is plenty of context to this. To say that Frank will never have a shot or have that edge in his first year and come to a full conclusion, then yeah, hasty is appropriate. Don't think I would have used hasty otherwise. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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CrushAlot
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3/20/2019 10:53 PM
martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd. There was a lot of push back on anyone critical of Frank. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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Jmpasq
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3/21/2019 5:09 AM
franco12 wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Nice year over year development by this kid and our staff. if we sign 2 stars we might be able to sign 1 player to a 5 million dollar deal. You want to sign Mario? Dude is awful Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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Jmpasq
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3/21/2019 5:12 AM
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd. People will still be saying he is young when he is 27 playing in Europe Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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Nalod
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3/21/2019 6:37 AM
Does Franks stoic demeanor on offense appear to show a lack of urgency?
He is the same way on defense which he excels at. He is not demonstrative after a defenseive stop. Neither was Clyde. Of course he is not Clyde. But at age 20 Clyde was still Walt and still two years before his breakout performance in the NIT. Young players get passes but as they get older the odds of success does drop. BUt it does not get eliminated. Dotson Will be 25 years old in May. Age does factor in the conversation. Trier is 22. Mario came here with the understanding he would be held to take on his off ball play. This team is awful. We are forced to look at the pieces instead of the collective which has only produced 14 wins. |
franco12
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3/21/2019 7:33 AM
Jmpasq wrote:franco12 wrote:martin wrote:knicks1248 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:Nalod wrote:martin wrote:Nalod wrote:Nice year over year development by this kid and our staff. I don't want to sign two stars. I'm not even sure I want to sign one. We need talent, that's indisputable. but we need depth and we need to develop continuity. If we can add KD, I'd love to bring back pretty much everyone we have on the roster. We've been in games all year- we just needed someone to help us weather the storm. Someone who could get the big bucket, someone to lead, to let the other players know - hey, I got this, we got this. In a perfect world, we land Zion and right there, are instantly transformed. Hopefully, we land a top 3 impact player and a super star this off season. And bring pretty much everyone back and take a huge step in year 2, with guys like DSjr figuring things out, developing a better, more reliable shot. I think if the FO signs 2 max guys, dumps everyone not tied down, and fills out with vet min throwaway guys, we are going to be in for a very rude awakening. |
newyorknewyork
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3/21/2019 8:13 AM LAST EDITED: 3/21/2019 8:14 AM
martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd. Gustav wanted to see it by yr 2 before the Knicks look to move one. While I among others said we should wait until the end of his rookie contract. I prefer us show that we can start to develop kids. Over expecting them to have to come out the gate hot every time we draft or they get dumped. That hasn't work for the last 20yrs. But I think Frank is traded in the summer. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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newyorknewyork
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3/21/2019 8:18 AM
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd. Knox rookie year has already exposed the hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to Franks rookie year. He offered plenty to be critical about for majority of it. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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GustavBahler
Posts: 41138 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
3/21/2019 8:42 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd. Not really. Knox has been starting, and playing a good deal more minutes. He's playing against starters, the best, and still managed to be named rookie of the month, before he hit the wall, so to speak. Knox's path has been tougher. They both have had up and down rookie seasons. Have seen more to build with in Knox's game. Believe Knox's sophomore year will be better than Frank's in part because he has shown himself to be a more aggressive player. |
newyorknewyork
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3/21/2019 9:42 AM
GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd. Knox at the moment isn't an effective player in any area of basketball. Not as a scorer, rebounder, playmaker, shooter, defender. With concerns that he may not have the lateral quickness and agility to effectively guard the perimeter. And may need to focus on getting stronger and holding down the stretch PF spot as he ages. The fact that he won rookie of the months shows how poor the majority of his season has gone with the level of drop off. There is clear reason for it though given his age and need for physical development and conditioning. The only reason for the lower level of critic despite the same lack of effectiveness(and arguably even less) is *preference*. He isn't held to the same standards set only due to preference not actual effectiveness. You, Crush and a few others bring up G league a lot for development. Yet when Knox was having months long stretches of funk. Why was there no belief or mention of the G league to build Knox back up? Just an example of the changeup in mindset. And again not due to actual effectiveness, but preference. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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GustavBahler
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3/21/2019 10:01 AM LAST EDITED: 3/21/2019 10:03 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:GustavBahler wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Not surprised when rookies have trouble draining jumpers, like Frank and Dotson. They've played for big crowds before, but not like the ones they saw as rookies. Not to mention playing in the Garden can be intimidating. Takes time for some players to tune out the crowd. Ive definitely seen the makings of a scorer, the high scoring games being the tipoff When Knox looks to set up teammates, he is isnt bad at it. Gets tunnel vision too much. Apparently talked to LeBron, who told him to be more of a distributor. We'll see if Knox takes that advice. He's been seeking out the best, past and present for advice. What you want to see from a rook who talks about being a player in this league. As far as G-League, was in favor of Knox coming off the bench like Frank from the start. Knox started, got the rook of the month award, and ran out of gas. Before sending him to G-League, would have wanted to see a reduction in minutes first, see how Knox responds, then send him to G-League, if necessary. With Frank, reducing his minutes wasnt going to help. Was only playing around 20 mpg. Different situation. |