"We're proud of him, very proud of him," coach Carlisle said. "He's a winner all the way. I see him continuing to get better. [Brunson] does everything right. He works at his craft and pays attention to detail. This guy was the 33rd pick in the draft. Pretty good."

newyorknewyork wrote:Jalen Brunson last 7 games. 18pts, 3.6rebs, 5.3ast on 59% shooting.

"We're proud of him, very proud of him," coach Carlisle said. "He's a winner all the way. I see him continuing to get better. [Brunson] does everything right. He works at his craft and pays attention to detail. This guy was the 33rd pick in the draft. Pretty good."

Jalen ws definitely the one to get. Unfortunately, he wasn't the one being dangled

It's clearly KP's leadership that's helping rise to new heights.

It's a bit funny about fitting in with a team. I think a lot of folks felt that Ntilikina would be a very functional PG in tandem with KP. While that may be the case, we won't see it.

blkexec wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Jalen Brunson last 7 games. 18pts, 3.6rebs, 5.3ast on 59% shooting.

"We're proud of him, very proud of him," coach Carlisle said. "He's a winner all the way. I see him continuing to get better. [Brunson] does everything right. He works at his craft and pays attention to detail. This guy was the 33rd pick in the draft. Pretty good."

Jalen ws definitely the one to get. Unfortunately, he wasn't the one being dangled

He was my late draft pick we could've purchased in the late 1st round....along with his teammate Bridges(instead of knox)

You can't buy a 1st round pick for cash considerations. The standard cash allotment per team, even with the bump in the last few years, doesn't even come close to approximating market value anyway for a pick in the range.

Given the way the current Rookie Scale Exception is constructed, this would also create a horrible open negative PR situation as cash rich teams would effectively have another loophole in their favor.

Then again, I've been told endlessly that cash in a white envelope can get you pretty far in AAU though.

Uptown wrote:Big Brunson fan...Its a joke that he lasted into the 2nd round last year after winning player of the year and winning a championship. On draft night, I was hoping that we would acquire another 2nd round pick once I saw that he slipped out of the 1st round.

I agree that it's a ****ing joke that he lasted until the 2nd. Things like that give me hope I could be a GM one day. That said, brunson over DSJ? Seriously people? that would be like being "nah, we're good, we're building our team around Charlie Ward"

SupremeCommander wrote:

Uptown wrote:Big Brunson fan...Its a joke that he lasted into the 2nd round last year after winning player of the year and winning a championship. On draft night, I was hoping that we would acquire another 2nd round pick once I saw that he slipped out of the 1st round.

I agree that it's a ****ing joke that he lasted until the 2nd. Things like that give me hope I could be a GM one day. That said, brunson over DSJ? Seriously people? that would be like being "nah, we're good, we're building our team around Charlie Ward"

At 18pts per game if he maintained that pace. He wouldn't be looked at as a Charlie Ward. They would have also been able to ask for more in the deal of Branson was the guy instead of DSJr. But I do agree they would never be able to sell that they moved KP for Branson. If Smith don't pan out they can say they gambled on a great talent. If Branson didn't pan out....

Optics matter more than substance.

Brunson had a fantastic college career. His shooting stats in his final season were phenomenal. 60%fg, 40%3pt, 80%ft. With 2 NCAA titles on his resume, he'll go down as one of the all-time great college PGs.

So with all that, he came into the NBA relatively old. Drafted at 21, he's 22 now. He was already 19 when he started college.

Compared to the Knicks:
* ~6 months younger than Mudiay
* ~15 months older the DSJr
* ~23 months older than Ntilikina.

The problem with relating age and upside is that everyone has a different development/experience curve. As a 19 year old freshman, he was averaging 24mpg and learning on a veteran college squad against college competition. He didn't light the world on fire then, but was solid and played within himself as part of a title team. Fast forward to his junior year he was the driving force for a title team. He improved his game craft to the point where he could dominate against his level of competition.

On the other hand... our Knick lottery PGs took a very different approach. Mudiay had a year of pro experience then had to learn on the fly vs NBA competition. Frank also made a bit of a leap. The Mavs saw enough potential in DSJr as a freshman that he was a lottery pick. Who knows how much he'd have grown as a player with another year in college vs a year in the NBA.

We'll never know, but according to Wikipedia, DSJr turned down Duke (Grayson Allen), Wake Forest (Bryant Crawford), UNC (Joel Berry, now in the G-league, part time with Lakers?), and Kentucky (He likely would have replaced either D'Aaron Fox & Malik Monk) to play at NC State.

DSJr with a year of coaching from coach K, Danny Manning, Roy Williams, or Calipari? Perhaps he'd have hit the NBA as a different player. At the same time, perhaps he turned them all down because most of the other coaches on this list wanted to play him as a SG.

technomaster wrote:Yeah, well, we got the player who the Mavs were willing to trade. We have no idea whether the Knicks asked for Brunson.

Brunson had a fantastic college career. His shooting stats in his final season were phenomenal. 60%fg, 40%3pt, 80%ft. With 2 NCAA titles on his resume, he'll go down as one of the all-time great college PGs.

So with all that, he came into the NBA relatively old. Drafted at 21, he's 22 now. He was already 19 when he started college.

Compared to the Knicks:
* ~6 months younger than Mudiay
* ~15 months older the DSJr
* ~23 months older than Ntilikina.

The problem with relating age and upside is that everyone has a different development/experience curve. As a 19 year old freshman, he was averaging 24mpg and learning on a veteran college squad against college competition. He didn't light the world on fire then, but was solid and played within himself as part of a title team. Fast forward to his junior year he was the driving force for a title team. He improved his game craft to the point where he could dominate against his level of competition.

On the other hand... our Knick lottery PGs took a very different approach. Mudiay had a year of pro experience then had to learn on the fly vs NBA competition. Frank also made a bit of a leap. The Mavs saw enough potential in DSJr as a freshman that he was a lottery pick. Who knows how much he'd have grown as a player with another year in college vs a year in the NBA.

We'll never know, but according to Wikipedia, DSJr turned down Duke (Grayson Allen), Wake Forest (Bryant Crawford), UNC (Joel Berry, now in the G-league, part time with Lakers?), and Kentucky (He likely would have replaced either D'Aaron Fox & Malik Monk) to play at NC State.

DSJr with a year of coaching from coach K, Danny Manning, Roy Williams, or Calipari? Perhaps he'd have hit the NBA as a different player. At the same time, perhaps he turned them all down because most of the other coaches on this list wanted to play him as a SG.

BigDaddyG wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

technomaster wrote:Yeah, well, we got the player who the Mavs were willing to trade. We have no idea whether the Knicks asked for Brunson.

Brunson had a fantastic college career. His shooting stats in his final season were phenomenal. 60%fg, 40%3pt, 80%ft. With 2 NCAA titles on his resume, he'll go down as one of the all-time great college PGs.

So with all that, he came into the NBA relatively old. Drafted at 21, he's 22 now. He was already 19 when he started college.

Compared to the Knicks:
* ~6 months younger than Mudiay
* ~15 months older the DSJr
* ~23 months older than Ntilikina.

The problem with relating age and upside is that everyone has a different development/experience curve. As a 19 year old freshman, he was averaging 24mpg and learning on a veteran college squad against college competition. He didn't light the world on fire then, but was solid and played within himself as part of a title team. Fast forward to his junior year he was the driving force for a title team. He improved his game craft to the point where he could dominate against his level of competition.

On the other hand... our Knick lottery PGs took a very different approach. Mudiay had a year of pro experience then had to learn on the fly vs NBA competition. Frank also made a bit of a leap. The Mavs saw enough potential in DSJr as a freshman that he was a lottery pick. Who knows how much he'd have grown as a player with another year in college vs a year in the NBA.

We'll never know, but according to Wikipedia, DSJr turned down Duke (Grayson Allen), Wake Forest (Bryant Crawford), UNC (Joel Berry, now in the G-league, part time with Lakers?), and Kentucky (He likely would have replaced either D'Aaron Fox & Malik Monk) to play at NC State.

DSJr with a year of coaching from coach K, Danny Manning, Roy Williams, or Calipari? Perhaps he'd have hit the NBA as a different player. At the same time, perhaps he turned them all down because most of the other coaches on this list wanted to play him as a SG.

There is a great, very thorough article on the Knicks in Tye Atletic by Sam Vecenie. In the article Vecenie says Smith is the best prospect on the Knicks roster in his opinion. I can’t post the article but if you get their app you get 4 free articles a month.

He said that, even though we have Mitch on the roster? I can't take that article seriously.

https://athletique.com/852400/2019/03/13/knicks-draft-fits-roster-analysis-cap-situation-and-team-specific-big-board/

For what it's worth, the writer likes covering Dennis Smith Jr...
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/8qyxm3/dennis-smith-jr-is-back-from-injury-and-nc-state-and-the-nba-are-next

Skip to 56:43 on the Vecenie podcast (from December 2018):
https://gametheorysam.libsyn.com/who-replaces-alford-at-ucla-nba-draft-risers-dennis-smith-and-pat-mccaw