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knicks180nyc
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3/12/2019  11:08 AM
i don't know of anybody who's a fan of dolan, but oakley is going about this the wrong way. he seems like he needs attention, and every time dolan's name comes up oakley comes out from hiding to say stuff. now he's talking to frank isola and saying free agents should go to brooklyn or the lakers. also if you have a problem with the owner, why were you sitting right behind him at a game? he tried to make a scene, and succeeded. he makes the organization look even worse when there are probably a lot of good people working there trying to make the situation better and improving the team.

just a rant, but as annoyed at dolan as i am i'm just as tired of oakley acting like a twitter troll.
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3/12/2019  11:19 AM
Yeah it's obvious he's looking for attention. I wouldn't doubt his whole outburst was staged. The deal with Dolan banning the fan is so overblown. He could sneeze and people would say he infected the whole arena. Media tries to find anything negative with the Knicks they can.
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3/12/2019  11:28 AM
He said free agents should sign with Brooklyn.... now that's going against us fans. When he was beefing with Dolan everyone had his back. I'm personally done with him after his remarks.
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3/12/2019  11:47 AM
EnySpree wrote:He said free agents should sign with Brooklyn.... now that's going against us fans. When he was beefing with Dolan everyone had his back. I'm personally done with him after his remarks.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Dolan is not the enemy. Dolan is an ass, ignorant and crass. But we share a common goal.

One would think Oak is the only player that ever had a beef with any owner.
Dolan even if for public relations made his peace with spree. Im not even sure what the beef was or who was at fault but Dolan is a vengeful ass. But for the good of the team and reputation he made nice with him. Thus, Dolan demonstrated his interests are aligned with mine.
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3/12/2019  12:02 PM
Nalod wrote:
EnySpree wrote:He said free agents should sign with Brooklyn.... now that's going against us fans. When he was beefing with Dolan everyone had his back. I'm personally done with him after his remarks.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Dolan is not the enemy. Dolan is an ass, ignorant and crass. But we share a common goal.

One would think Oak is the only player that ever had a beef with any owner.
Dolan even if for public relations made his peace with spree. Im not even sure what the beef was or who was at fault but Dolan is a vengeful ass. But for the good of the team and reputation he made nice with him. Thus, Dolan demonstrated his interests are aligned with mine.

i believe the beef with spree was over spree's cussin' him out at the garden after dolan traded him.

i believe dolan made up with spree as a self-serving pr act to try to calm people down from hating on him after the oakley fiasco.
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3/12/2019  12:27 PM
Marv wrote:
Nalod wrote:
EnySpree wrote:He said free agents should sign with Brooklyn.... now that's going against us fans. When he was beefing with Dolan everyone had his back. I'm personally done with him after his remarks.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Dolan is not the enemy. Dolan is an ass, ignorant and crass. But we share a common goal.

One would think Oak is the only player that ever had a beef with any owner.
Dolan even if for public relations made his peace with spree. Im not even sure what the beef was or who was at fault but Dolan is a vengeful ass. But for the good of the team and reputation he made nice with him. Thus, Dolan demonstrated his interests are aligned with mine.

i believe the beef with spree was over spree's cussin' him out at the garden after dolan traded him.

i believe dolan made up with spree as a self-serving pr act to try to calm people down from hating on him after the oakley fiasco.

Yes. Like I said, it serves my cause. Do I care that if it was disingenuous? Nope.
Do I have to like Dolan at all? Nope.
He has stepped aside and Knicks making logical long term choices with indeterminate results other than expected short term consequences/results.
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3/12/2019  1:05 PM
I'm not saying Oakley didn't contribute to the incident with Dolan, but if you take that out and just look at Dolan's behaviors and interactions with fans, media, etc - it isn't good. He has no good PR, is not liked by the masses. At some point he's supposed to look at himself and they way he conducts himself. Even if Oakley was 100% responsible, I recall his handling of it was poor (especially for a guy who has historically been hated). He either needs to redo his 12 steps or hire a better PR guy that he'll listen to...
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3/12/2019  2:25 PM
jskinny35 wrote:I'm not saying Oakley didn't contribute to the incident with Dolan, but if you take that out and just look at Dolan's behaviors and interactions with fans, media, etc - it isn't good. He has no good PR, is not liked by the masses. At some point he's supposed to look at himself and they way he conducts himself. Even if Oakley was 100% responsible, I recall his handling of it was poor (especially for a guy who has historically been hated). He either needs to redo his 12 steps or hire a better PR guy that he'll listen to...

Funny thing is he really knows he sucks at PR and its why he does not grant many interviews.
And one has to think of the things that have not happened because he partially listens and has mostly stepped away...
Guy can't even go to games in his own house!! Pathetic.
He should sit in a box and be protected.
Really for a number of years the only thing he has handled badly has been when fans instigate and he over reacts. Firing the security guard was over ten years ago.
No way I like this guy, but he is not Donald Sterling. Not even close!!!
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3/12/2019  2:43 PM
one of the other things that frustrates me with oakley is that his experience with dolan isn't the same as everybody's. tyson chandler has spoken about the owner letting him fly across the country to be with his mother who was dealing with cancer. there are former players working with the organization so dolan has it in him to be good to people. he just makes sure those he doesn't like know he can't stand them in return which a lot of the times is unnecessary.

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3/12/2019  3:02 PM
Mr.Irrelevant strikes again. Oakley just can’t let go of the past. It’s over. Just another attention seek whore.
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3/12/2019  3:12 PM
jskinny35 wrote:I'm not saying Oakley didn't contribute to the incident with Dolan, but if you take that out and just look at Dolan's behaviors and interactions with fans, media, etc - it isn't good. He has no good PR, is not liked by the masses. At some point he's supposed to look at himself and they way he conducts himself. Even if Oakley was 100% responsible, I recall his handling of it was poor (especially for a guy who has historically been hated). He either needs to redo his 12 steps or hire a better PR guy that he'll listen to...

This.

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3/12/2019  5:15 PM
EnySpree wrote:He said free agents should sign with Brooklyn.... now that's going against us fans. When he was beefing with Dolan everyone had his back. I'm personally done with him after his remarks.

This. Saw this at work because the Netsdaily troll tweeted it during my lunch.
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3/12/2019  5:47 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
EnySpree wrote:He said free agents should sign with Brooklyn.... now that's going against us fans. When he was beefing with Dolan everyone had his back. I'm personally done with him after his remarks.

This. Saw this at work because the Netsdaily troll tweeted it during my lunch.

Look, I appreciate what Oak did as a Knick. Bonafide legend. That said, the dude is a bit of a mess. Entertaining? Yeah, but I take Charles Barkley more seriously as an analyst and I don't take Barkley seriously at all. Just ignore him.
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3/12/2019  7:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2019  7:48 PM
Believe that Oak deserved to have his number retired. Im old, but not so old to forget the role Oakley played in making the Knicks relevant again. Know it was a long time ago, but there was a time when the Knicks where always mentioned as one of the best defensive teams in the league. No way it happens without Oakley.

He was the heart and soul of the last great Knicks squad. Until another one takes his place, has every right to talk IMO.
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3/12/2019  8:13 PM
i would assume some of you guys have run into oak on the street. i have a few times and he was warm, funny, relaxed and genuine as hell. i know u can say it doesn’t matter next to some of this other stuff but when u have a face-to-face with someone their impact does matter in your impression of them.
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3/12/2019  11:20 PM
I have seen him interview and the thing on him running up to CLE to help a friend out, his mom.....its all quite impressive. Looks like. Good dude.
Then he gets into an arena and its “Touch me and see what happens” mode!
Maybe he drinks and that other side comes out. The Vegas thing, the GSW thing....Not being a coach in NY might just set him off.
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3/13/2019  10:57 AM
Get that meeting Oak would influence one's opinion - I'm saying leave the Oak situation out of it and Dolan still has bad PR and comes across poorly. There's an article today suggesting he's the reason free agents don't want to sign here. I don't know if that's true and I've heard he's done some nice things (eg Tyson plane) in the past. Regardless, it seems pretty clear that he should be working on his PR and learning how to not engage when other interact. If we were winning there would likely be less hostility and situations like the fan and Oak ones, but why it almost all the other owners don't have situations like this occurring? LA, Chicago are also big markets with kinda lousy teams and you don't see their owners getting into it. I'm sure even Magic gets heckled since the Lakers are doing poorly - he shows restraint and doesn't engage. He may be a nice guy to some, but it's Dolan guys!
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3/13/2019  11:03 AM
I am not going to dismiss Charles Oakley and his opinion because he's a link to when the Knicks mattered as opposed to now. The franchise is irrelevant.
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3/13/2019  11:11 AM
knicks180nyc wrote:one of the other things that frustrates me with oakley is that his experience with dolan isn't the same as everybody's. tyson chandler has spoken about the owner letting him fly across the country to be with his mother who was dealing with cancer. there are former players working with the organization so dolan has it in him to be good to people. he just makes sure those he doesn't like know he can't stand them in return which a lot of the times is unnecessary.

My father has stage 4 pancreatic cancer and James Dolan let us sit in *his seats* because it meant something to my family. I frequently disagree with James Dolan and his basketball operations but I don't question the man's heart. I imagine its difficult to run the Knicks in NYC, especially when everyone has a loud opinion. I can personally vouch that he's a good man...

if I had a chance to speak with James I would let him know that he needs to develop a relationship with the press. I think sometimes he treats the press as the enemy and as a result he doesn't get favorable basketball coverage. I think the big reason he gets treated poorly is because he hasn't interacted with anyone, so myth becomes fact and now he's in a position where he's always on the defensive. I'm also a big Rangers fan and James has been a great hockey owner. Unfortunately though I don't think he got off to a great start with the Knicks and things have just compounded

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3/13/2019  12:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/13/2019  12:48 PM
Oak is cool dude.
But not everyone is bright and well mannered.
People have different upbringing and live stories.
When people hate somebody they became like those they hate.
As far as Oak and Dolan go I have a compassionate feeling about both.
They both need love and understanding and looks like are not getting this in life.
I hope they will get some love and will change their ways.
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