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Could have implications for us if we try to do a AD trade.

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Danny Ferry?! Ha, are they trying to make sure no free agent wants to sign with them?! How do you top p-ing off your best player and then holding him hostage? Hire a GM who stepped down due to making racist comments- the free agents should come flocking...

Uptown wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25075452/david-stern-dell-demps-new-orleans-pelicans-lousy-general-manager

Posted this in the NBA thread....It seems as though Demps as been pretty bad for a while and Monty Williams and Gentry has had problems with him...As I also said in the NBA thread, Demps may have made a personal decision, not a business decision in refusing to deal with the Lakers. Keep in mind, players requesting trades before the trade deadline have normally been dealt before the deadline passes. Melo requested a trade to the Knicks and got dealt, George requested a trade and got moved to OKC, Our very own KP was moved.....Seems like Perry, Ujiri and the Indy GM had the foresight to move the disgruntled star because the aftermath of keeping them on the team would be a mess. Demps didnt account for this and it cost him his job. Indy was able to find another team to move George to but Demps couldn't...

Demps has been an awful gm, though the timing is weird. I think the reason so many teams comply with big name players wanting out, is to avoid souring agents and future free agents on the franchise. As awful as we’ve been as a franchise, we’ve always moved or bought out players who didn’t want to be here, so we’ve kept agents sweet.

Pelicans and other owners and gms might be high giving each other at the stance the pelicans took vs AD and the lakers, but I think it will come at a price further down the line.

BigDaddyG wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Uptown wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25075452/david-stern-dell-demps-new-orleans-pelicans-lousy-general-manager

Posted this in the NBA thread....It seems as though Demps as been pretty bad for a while and Monty Williams and Gentry has had problems with him...As I also said in the NBA thread, Demps may have made a personal decision, not a business decision in refusing to deal with the Lakers. Keep in mind, players requesting trades before the trade deadline have normally been dealt before the deadline passes. Melo requested a trade to the Knicks and got dealt, George requested a trade and got moved to OKC, Our very own KP was moved.....Seems like Perry, Ujiri and the Indy GM had the foresight to move the disgruntled star because the aftermath of keeping them on the team would be a mess. Demps didnt account for this and it cost him his job. Indy was able to find another team to move George to but Demps couldn't...

Demps has been an awful gm, though the timing is weird. I think the reason so many teams comply with big name players wanting out, is to avoid souring agents and future free agents on the franchise. As awful as we’ve been as a franchise, we’ve always moved or bought out players who didn’t want to be here, so we’ve kept agents sweet.

Pelicans and other owners and gms might be high giving each other at the stance the pelicans took vs AD and the lakers, but I think it will come at a price further down the line.

Demps sucked big-time. But I do agree with him passing on the Lakers deal. It just wasn't good. I'm sure the deal Demps was fleshing out with Ainge is better. Also, I'm sure the league won't care about Pelinka and Klutch being jerked around. Those two having a history of doing dirt. I'm sure many agents and GMs got a good chuckle out of it.
Now Demps deserved to be fired a long time OK, but not for the AD situation.

As an aside, I think the Pelicans owner is making a bid to take the title of worst NBA owner away from Dolan.

I think her bid was just accepted...#dumpsterfire

BigDaddyG wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Uptown wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25075452/david-stern-dell-demps-new-orleans-pelicans-lousy-general-manager

Posted this in the NBA thread....It seems as though Demps as been pretty bad for a while and Monty Williams and Gentry has had problems with him...As I also said in the NBA thread, Demps may have made a personal decision, not a business decision in refusing to deal with the Lakers. Keep in mind, players requesting trades before the trade deadline have normally been dealt before the deadline passes. Melo requested a trade to the Knicks and got dealt, George requested a trade and got moved to OKC, Our very own KP was moved.....Seems like Perry, Ujiri and the Indy GM had the foresight to move the disgruntled star because the aftermath of keeping them on the team would be a mess. Demps didnt account for this and it cost him his job. Indy was able to find another team to move George to but Demps couldn't...

Demps has been an awful gm, though the timing is weird. I think the reason so many teams comply with big name players wanting out, is to avoid souring agents and future free agents on the franchise. As awful as we’ve been as a franchise, we’ve always moved or bought out players who didn’t want to be here, so we’ve kept agents sweet.

Pelicans and other owners and gms might be high giving each other at the stance the pelicans took vs AD and the lakers, but I think it will come at a price further down the line.

Demps sucked big-time. But I do agree with him passing on the Lakers deal. It just wasn't good. I'm sure the deal Demps was fleshing out with Ainge is better. Also, I'm sure the league won't care about Pelinka and Klutch being jerked around. Those two having a history of doing dirt. I'm sure many agents and GMs got a good chuckle out of it.
Now Demps deserved to be fired a long time OK, but not for the AD situation.

As an aside, I think the Pelicans owner is making a bid to take the title of worst NBA owner away from Dolan.

I disagree. He certainly should have done a deal with *somebody* - not necessarily the Lake show. He was an idiot for failing to do that. OTOH, AD should have played like the pro he was getting paid to be.

fwk00 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Uptown wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25075452/david-stern-dell-demps-new-orleans-pelicans-lousy-general-manager

Posted this in the NBA thread....It seems as though Demps as been pretty bad for a while and Monty Williams and Gentry has had problems with him...As I also said in the NBA thread, Demps may have made a personal decision, not a business decision in refusing to deal with the Lakers. Keep in mind, players requesting trades before the trade deadline have normally been dealt before the deadline passes. Melo requested a trade to the Knicks and got dealt, George requested a trade and got moved to OKC, Our very own KP was moved.....Seems like Perry, Ujiri and the Indy GM had the foresight to move the disgruntled star because the aftermath of keeping them on the team would be a mess. Demps didnt account for this and it cost him his job. Indy was able to find another team to move George to but Demps couldn't...

Demps has been an awful gm, though the timing is weird. I think the reason so many teams comply with big name players wanting out, is to avoid souring agents and future free agents on the franchise. As awful as we’ve been as a franchise, we’ve always moved or bought out players who didn’t want to be here, so we’ve kept agents sweet.

Pelicans and other owners and gms might be high giving each other at the stance the pelicans took vs AD and the lakers, but I think it will come at a price further down the line.

Demps sucked big-time. But I do agree with him passing on the Lakers deal. It just wasn't good. I'm sure the deal Demps was fleshing out with Ainge is better. Also, I'm sure the league won't care about Pelinka and Klutch being jerked around. Those two having a history of doing dirt. I'm sure many agents and GMs got a good chuckle out of it.
Now Demps deserved to be fired a long time OK, but not for the AD situation.

As an aside, I think the Pelicans owner is making a bid to take the title of worst NBA owner away from Dolan.

I disagree. He certainly should have done a deal with *somebody* - not necessarily the Lake show. He was an idiot for failing to do that. OTOH, AD should have played like the pro he was getting paid to be.

Nalod wrote:Ferry read a scouting report via a conference call written by someone else. Does it matter as he should have been better to delete some words or paraphrase them in a different manner? I think so? For a franchise that was just sold they have to make that move. Does hiring him in Nola prevent players from going there?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/sep/09/atlanta-hawks-luol-deng-race-slur. Was Danny Ferry racist or was did he just ignore something that was read in a closed meeting with ownership and were not his words?

Do you honestly think he didn't read that scouting report before the meeting? Who in their workplace would read that and think "ah, this is fine, I'll share it in our next conference call"? He absolutely deserved discipling, same as if I ever shared something like that at work.

I mean come on, it was serious - if you were discussing possible people to employ and read out regarding one of them that "they had some African in them", that's a serious breach of employment law - it's just pure racism.

Sure, I don't think he should never be allowed to work again, but at the same time good luck on recruiting free agents with that on your resume! I think he has talent, but recruitment is an important part of the job, so I'm not convinced it's wise to hire him in that capacity, especially for a franchise that seems to be oblivious to how their AD actions are going to go down with players.

They're about to become a franchise that stands up to player demands and has a GM who made racist remarks, I just don't think that's a good combo to have when trying to sign free agents or get potential draft players to work out for you.

Uptown wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:Ferry read a scouting report via a conference call written by someone else. Does it matter as he should have been better to delete some words or paraphrase them in a different manner? I think so? For a franchise that was just sold they have to make that move. Does hiring him in Nola prevent players from going there?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/sep/09/atlanta-hawks-luol-deng-race-slur. Was Danny Ferry racist or was did he just ignore something that was read in a closed meeting with ownership and were not his words?

Do you honestly think he didn't read that scouting report before the meeting? Who in their workplace would read that and think "ah, this is fine, I'll share it in our next conference call"? He absolutely deserved discipling, same as if I ever shared something like that at work.

I mean come on, it was serious - if you were discussing possible people to employ and read out regarding one of them that "they had some African in them", that's a serious breach of employment law - it's just pure racism.

Sure, I don't think he should never be allowed to work again, but at the same time good luck on recruiting free agents with that on your resume! I think he has talent, but recruitment is an important part of the job, so I'm not convinced it's wise to hire him in that capacity, especially for a franchise that seems to be oblivious to how their AD actions are going to go down with players.

They're about to become a franchise that stands up to player demands and has a GM who made racist remarks, I just don't think that's a good combo to have when trying to sign free agents or get potential draft players to work out for you.

Good post!

Unfortunately, like Donald Sterling realized, money comes first. Agents, players and owners new that Sterling was a scumbag for years. But there were plenty of players who would go there if they have the best offer. I'm sure the same thing would happen in regards to the NOPs.

Nalod wrote:Ferry's history vs that one incident should be considered. Sterling is a whole other matter. Ferry was disciplined hard. Context of content matters.

Not comparing their actions, I just question how much Ferry's presence will impact free agency. Sterling reputation was a lot worse, and that didn't stop most from signing. Still, the Ferry move probably wasn't a good idea from a PR standpoint.

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Ferry has worked with the Pels in a part-time capacity as a consultant, but his most recent work as GM for the Atlanta Hawks was viewed league-wide as a clinic on how to reshape a roster and franchise without bottoming out into the lottery.