Killa4luv wrote:The McDyse trade was the worst to me and I knew it at the time.Dice game was predicated on athelticism and he hadn't even been back healthy when we made the trade.
We gave up Camby & Nene (who i really wanted us to draft btw) and yes a healthy Dice is probably better than both, but not a unhealthy Dice and that was the dice we got. It never made any sense at all, I wanted to scream.
I hated that trade right away, when he got injured in that preseason game after Don Chaney played him a ridiculous amount of minutes, I was mad at Chaney, but also not surprised. Crazy the media gave it a good response at the time:
The charge was to create hope, to maximize a seventh pick in a draft high on hype but low on proven commodities and give Knicks fans a reason to expect more than another lottery pick next year. That was the demand on Scott Layden, the Knicks' president and general manager, in last night's N.B.A. draft.In one fell swoop, Layden was supposed to return a small, aging team to playoff contention. He did just that.
In the biggest trade since Latrell Sprewell joined the Knicks in 1999, the Knicks brought the All-Star power forward Antonio McDyess to the Knicks. Layden sent Marcus Camby, Mark Jackson and the Knicks' seventh pick, Maybyner (Nenê) Hilário, to Denver in exchange for McDyess, the 25th pick this year and a second-round pick in 2003. With the 25th pick, the Knicks selected Frank Williams, a 6-foot-3 point guard from Illinois rated by many scouts as the second-best point guard in the draft behind Duke's Jay Williams.
McDyess is a star, and Frank Williams is an undisputed talent who averaged 16.2 points, 4.4 assists and 2.0 steals as a junior last season. By many accounts, it was a good night for the Knicks.
But not by all accounts. After the Knicks selected Milos Vujanic of Yugoslavia with the 36th pick, fans at the Theater at Madison Square Garden resumed chants of ''Fi-re Lay-den!'' They had chanted the same thing after the Knicks had selected Hilário with the seventh pick but before the trade was made official. The crowd's hostility implied that some fans were not pleased with the Knicks' deal.
Layden believes those contrary minds will be changed.
''Knowing New York fans, I think they'll embrace Antonio McDyess,'' Layden said. ''He's a great rebounder, a rugged guy, he can score and he's somebody who can demand a double team. Our fans love players who play hard and they'll love Antonio McDyess.''
The 6-9, 245-pound McDyess is one of the best frontcourt players in the league, and he becomes arguably the best big man in the East. McDyess, 27, has averaged 17.6 points, 8.7 rebounds and 1.67 blocks while shooting 49.4 percent from the field in seven seasons.
In the 2000-1 season, his last healthy one, McDyess was a powerhouse, averaging 20.8 points and 12.1 rebounds a game in earning his only trip to the All-Star Game.
The one red flag to the deal is that after undergoing surgery on both knees on Oct. 12, 2001, McDyess played only 10 games last season. He was a part-timer in those 10 games, averaging 11.3 points and 5.5 rebounds in just 23.6 minutes per game.
The surgeries were to repair the patella tendon in his left knee and to clean out his right knee. He was expected to be back on the court by last February, but he did not return until March 1. Never able to grow comfortable upon his return, McDyess ended his season after a game on March 20. He is expected to be ready for training camp in October.
Layden said that the Knicks received all of Denver's medical information regarding McDyess and that they will put him through a physical examination. McDyess, along with Williams, will arrive in New York tomorrow, and the players have until July 5 to complete their physicals.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/27/sports/pro-basketball-knicks-get-mcdyess-for-camby-and-jackson.html
Ha "the one red flag" was just that he had surgery in both knees and failed to return when he was meant to!
Then a few months later, you could tell it was the end of an era, and something bad was coming:
But in yet another cruel twist for a suddenly forlorn franchise, one of those spectacular dunks and rebounds -- done in one motion -- has, in all likelihood, ended McDyess's season and the Knicks' chances of success after only three preseason games.McDyess, the All-Star power forward the Knicks were expecting to lead them back into playoff contention, fractured his left kneecap during the final minutes of Saturday's 94-87 exhibition loss to the Phoenix Suns at Madison Square Garden. After a magnetic resonance imaging test revealed the fracture yesterday, doctors said McDyess would be out indefinitely.
''This is a devastating blow for Antonio, knowing how hard he has worked up to this point,'' said Scott Layden, the Knicks' president and general manager. ''Knick fans had only seen a glimmer of his superior skills, and knowing Antonio, we are confident he will overcome this setback.''
McDyess, who was injured on a putback dunk with 1 minute 55 seconds left in the game, will get a second opinion within the next week. Whether he will undergo surgery has yet to be decided, but Layden said it was likely. Either way, McDyess will be out for several months...
...This is the third injury the 6-foot-9, 245-pound McDyess has had to his left knee, and all have had some connection to the patella area. Exactly one year to the day before reinjuring himself Saturday, McDyess underwent surgery to repair a partly torn patellar tendon that he sustained while playing for the Denver Nuggets. The injury kept McDyess out of all but 10 games last season. His knee problems began on March 3, 2001, when he dislocated his left kneecap in a game and missed 11 of the final 12 games of the season.
It was the uncertainty about McDyess's health that led to Denver's willingness to trade him, and many Knicks fans were skeptical when the club traded for him. McDyess and the 25th draft pick, Frank Williams, were acquired for Marcus Camby, Mark Jackson and Maybyner Hilário, the Knicks' first lottery pick in 16 years, in a draft-night trade on June 26....
After a pain-free summer, McDyess played well in the preseason. With a blend of power and athleticism, he averaged 17.7 points and 13.0 rebounds in 29 minutes a game. He had posted 23 points and 15 rebounds against Phoenix before the injury. McDyess played 38 minutes Saturday, but Coach Don Chaney said he was not second-guessing himself about still having McDyess on the floor.
''We felt that Antonio McDyess had endured one week of two-a-days and worked exceptionally hard,'' Chaney said. ''He felt great, and I have no reservations about putting him in the game at that time.''....
....The situation concerning McDyess is just the latest in a series of distressing events that have plagued the Knicks recently. On Sept. 30, Sprewell arrived at media day with a broken right hand, stunning Knicks management and leading to a surgery that will cause him to miss the start of the season.
The front office, upset because Sprewell did not inform the team of the injury before training camp, fined him $250,000 and banned him from all practices and games until further notice. Sprewell, contending that he did not know how seriously he was hurt, appealed the fine, and last week he said the front office was trying to make him a scapegoat and that his relationship with it would never be the same.
The Knicks had another problem on media day when Kurt Thomas was arrested on charges of third-degree assault against his wife and endangering the welfare of the couple's child.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/14/sports/pro-basketball-mcdyess-s-knee-injury-buckles-the-knicks.html
I still get mad thinking about it. That was a Layden move.
2/8/2019 4:25 PM