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PresIke
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2/5/2019  12:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/5/2019  12:39 PM
Listening to Open Floor pod with some comments regarding the Knicks:

Andrew Sharp: [sounding exasperated] The idea that they're just gonna stockpile draft picks and then slowly build a title contender that way.

Ben Golliver: [laughing in background] What you are trying to say is Frank Ntilikina is not going to bring you a ring.

Andrew Sharp: [laughing] Exactly!

Ben Golliver: Kevin Knox and Frankie are not gonna get you a championship

Andrew Sharp: [laughing] And neither is Porzingis! The reality is if you go down the list of teams that have won titles in the last 30 years its very rare that you win it with home grown players....If it's not a #1 pick or HOFer it's rare that you can build a title team around [them]. If you draft Tim Duncan, one of the 10 best players of all time yes, you can 5 titles with your home grown draft picks. Had you just had Manu and Toney Parker you're not winning a title with those guys. Same deal with the Warriors.

Ben Golliver: I think your real point here is that Porzingis is not Tim Duncan.

Andrew Sharp: My point with the draft picks conversation is I saw a lot of people chiding the Knicks for not building "the right way" when I actually think there are a handful of teams around the NBA who actually can if they take care of the foundation, hire a good coach and clear cap space can go sign superstars and that gives a much better chance of winning a title than just betting the next 8 years on draft picks. The Knicks are one of them....I think the current Knicks approach is smart.

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2/11/2019  11:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2019  11:06 PM
From Knicksfilmschool.com

Great article

Don’t quit on these Knicks

Dear Knicks fans,

To say the past few weeks have been crazy would be an understatement. While we were metaphorically left at the murmurs around Anthony Davis, the Knicks front office pulled off one of the most polarizing trades in franchise history. To the surprise of most (outside of Steve Mills, Scott Perry & maybe the club medical staff), Kristaps Porzingis is gone. Done. Cancelled in New York.

The temperamental Latvian phenom went from unicorn savior to public enemy number one in a matter of hours. There are a lot of facts swirling about the whos, whats, whens and whys, but I’m not here to dive down that rabbit hole. As the dust settles and New York continues on in its rebuild, separating fact from emotion paints a very different picture for the future of our franchise.

Without the need to slander anyone or trade insults, I want to have an honest talk about Kristaps Porzingis. His skillset can’t be ignored. A 7-foot player who can shoot the three and block shots is ridiculous…on paper. When he was drafted in 2015, Kristaps’ skillset was relatively unheard of…until Steph Curry officially broke basketball. The league has been moving in the direction of perimeter scoring ever since.

KP was essentially the first of his kind (a big man who was a modern perimeter scorer) and the city, hungry for something good…anything good…celebrated him like he was the second coming of Patrick Ewing.

Can we agree that in hindsight this was definitely an overreaction?

Porzingis remains unique as a 7’3″ big man who can both block shots and score like a guard; but his scoring ability, alone, is not as unique as it once was with the rest of the league catching up to the modern style of the NBA. Every functional big man from Brook Lopez to Marc Gasol can shoot the long ball now. Spacing has become more important than ever, and as always, players continue to evolve. Let’s not forget the Lauri Markkanen once set a Bulls franchise record for threes against us. Sigh. The life of a Knicks fan is tough, but I digress. The point here is that Porzingis’ skillset is easier to find than it once was and what he brings to the game can be emulated by a combination of other players (shout out to Luke Kornet).

Another uncomfortable truth about Porzingis is linked to his injury history. It’s been so long since we’ve had homegrown, star-level talent that I think Knicks fans, myself included, got too emotionally attached. I’m the first to admit a bit of clouded judgement, but I have always thought something was worrisome about his injury profile. Even when considered “healthy,” Porzingis never played a full season or shot above 45% from the field. He’s ridiculously skilled, but what good is a star player who isn’t available? A front-court player with recurring lower body injuries is a major red flag for any organization. A cracked cornerstone leads to an unstable foundation.

It’s always bothered me that the “Unicorn” never finished a full season. Richard Gerrafo of Fansided noticed something was up too. He wrote of his concerns, noting that,

“From January of 2016 until February of 2017 (approximately one year and one month), Porzingis suffered six different injuries. He has injured his left Achilles, left groin, left leg, right shoulder, right ankle, and right foot. ”
In his time with the Knicks, Porzingis also had issues with his quadricep (an injury that occurred during his pre-draft workout and again less than a year later), elbow, achilles, and then, of course, a devastating ACL tear.

Scott Perry was well aware of this unfortunate truth. From a purely basketball perspective, Kristaps was too unstable to be a true franchise cornerstone. Not for a maximum contract without injury protections. And as much as people criticize the Knicks for not wanting to offer their resident star player a max contract, it seems they tried to negotiate a contract similar to how other franchises have navigated injury-prone players.


It would have been very “Old Knicks” of Perry to cave under the pressure from the Latvian’s management team, but Scott stood his ground and made a pragmatic move in the best interest of the team. Not only did he refuse to extend KP’s contract last year, he went on record to say his primary goal is “making the Knicks a very good basketball team going into the long term.” He believes in team success over the benefit of any one person and has shown an uncanny ability to think pragmatically about the future.

Team building – real team building, the sustainable kind that we’ve longingly watched from afar from RJ Buford, Pat Riley and Danny Ainge – is a game of chess not checkers. Singular moves must be dissected in the context of a broader strategy.

The news of the Porzingis trade was shocking, yes, but the Knicks’ front office made the right call and the team is set up for future success whether we land a premiere free agent this summer or not.

Yes, Porzingis is gone, but don’t quit on these young New York Knicks. Call me an optimist, but when I look at the current state of affairs in Knickerbocker land – a talented young core, the most open cap space in franchise history and 7 first round draft picks over the next 5 years – I can’t help but notice the upside of so much possibility. Even if the team strikes out on the Kevin Durant/Kawhi/Kyrie sweepstakes this summer, they are under no pressure to sign long-term contracts for anything less than a franchise changing star. There is no rush because our GM has transformed the draft from a desert into a wellspring of possibilities and there will always be another chance to ink a game changer in the future. It’s not a make or break summer when an organization has positioned itself for long-term success through young players and financial flexibility.

Scott Perry is not the inexperienced, short-sighted GM you are looking for. Just the opposite, actually. In just over a year, he has erased years of management failure, properly delegated authority, lifted the weight of bloated contracts and created one of the most talented scouting teams in the league.

I have faith that any future moves are made with one goal in mind – building a championship level roster. As a result of strong leadership, the Knicks go into the summer with an assorted mix of new talent, all the cap space in the world (for this offseason and beyond), no uncertainty about Porzingis, plus the added bonus of seven first round draft picks over the next 5 seasons. SEVEN. More than the last 10 years combined. We finally have picks, money and talented scouts…all at the same time. Recent social media reactions be damned, this regime is intelligent and pragmatic.

The future isn’t guaranteed to anyone, but the Knicks’ front office has done its best to minimize risk while placing the franchise in a position to be master of its own destiny. The change fans have longed for is finally here – if we can manage to see the forest for the trees. Don’t sell low on these Knicks.

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2/12/2019  9:04 AM
PresIke wrote:Listening to Open Floor pod with some comments regarding the Knicks:

Andrew Sharp: [sounding exasperated] The idea that they're just gonna stockpile draft picks and then slowly build a title contender that way.

Ben Golliver: [laughing in background] What you are trying to say is Frank Ntilikina is not going to bring you a ring.

Andrew Sharp: [laughing] Exactly!

Ben Golliver: Kevin Knox and Frankie are not gonna get you a championship

Andrew Sharp: [laughing] And neither is Porzingis! The reality is if you go down the list of teams that have won titles in the last 30 years its very rare that you win it with home grown players....If it's not a #1 pick or HOFer it's rare that you can build a title team around [them]. If you draft Tim Duncan, one of the 10 best players of all time yes, you can 5 titles with your home grown draft picks. Had you just had Manu and Toney Parker you're not winning a title with those guys. Same deal with the Warriors.

Ben Golliver: I think your real point here is that Porzingis is not Tim Duncan.

Andrew Sharp: My point with the draft picks conversation is I saw a lot of people chiding the Knicks for not building "the right way" when I actually think there are a handful of teams around the NBA who actually can if they take care of the foundation, hire a good coach and clear cap space can go sign superstars and that gives a much better chance of winning a title than just betting the next 8 years on draft picks. The Knicks are one of them....I think the current Knicks approach is smart.


The bold is spot on. The knicks are one of those teams that in theory if they have maximum cap space available each year than someone will eventually come. This isn't new orleans or Sacramento. New York, Chicago, LA teams, Miami, Philly, and Boston are those teams. Maybe a couple others, but these are the main ones. Now that NY has the 2 open slots, the plan should be simple. Reserve those spots for 2 max free agents while developing the young core of Knox, Robinson, Smith, Ntilikina, and 2019 pick at the same time. If we miss out on those guys, fill their spots with guys on 1 year contracts and maintain the cap space. One of the biggest problems over the years has been lack of flexibility. No cap space or picks to get better. We now have cap space and 2 additional first round picks.
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2/12/2019  9:49 AM
Putting aside the merits or detriments of the KP trade, one can legitimately debate whether FA signings bring championships.

In the last 10 years, the champions have been GS, Cleveland, Miami, Spurs, Celts, Lakers

GS had the capacity to win with all homegrown talent (no top 5 picks). KD certainly helped cement their dominance but keep in mind he went there to bandwagon jump -- not to get his last big contract, and certainly not to embrace a challenge

Cleveland I guess you can technically say Lebron was a FA, but that has an asterisk since he was returning home by his account. the rest of the roster was homegrown or trades by and large

Miami is the cleanest example though they started with Wade, lower taxes, and LBJ being spineless (he should have had FAs join Cleveland)

Spurs home grown

Celts homegrown or trades

Lakers homegrown or trades essentially

The Spurs and Cavs were the only team with a number 1 pick. FWIW the Celts were the team tanking for Duncan and had two top picks yet still lost out on Duncan (ending up with Billups and Mercer neither of which contributed to the Celts and Billups was considered a bust with them)

the economics are fairly simple. There are a select few players that are worth more than a max contract. So that's good if you can nail one of those. After that drafting and rookie contracts can be bargains but less so if you draft projects who can't contribute until the end of their rookie deals. After that you need to find diamonds in the rough, overlooked players, which can be rare finds

I'll add that with the exception of perhaps Clevland, every team had a top tier coach

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2/12/2019  9:56 AM
Well done!!! I could not have said it better. I have tried. I have even used the "chess game" analogy.
Fans like us are emotionally tied. Look at the comments the day the trade was made. Some of Y'all ran out the house on fire instead of dropping and rolling. Nalod is not smarter than most of you, just was chill and wanted to take it all in.
This key word used three times in that piece was "Pragmatic". With so much of this game being subjective and advanced analytics not able to tell a full story, the ideal is to make decisions without emotion based on facts.
This is how KP came to be traded. The knicks drew a line in the sand and were prepared when Janis an KP crossed it. They had made the decision prior and instead of reactive they were proactive. KP had his bags packed to play it out in Spain but Knicks had done due diligence on the matter and when the Latvians dragged their feet likely wanting to delay this until after the trade deadline, the knicks instead siezed what leverage was left and had a deal in their pocket not played out in the press but by a dallas team that was also decisive and willing to work on it. What we don't know is the full extent of surprise or not by KP and Janis. No groveling to make it work, that time had come and gone.

Don't matter why or who was at fault. Knicks were in the moment and decisive.
Count me in as one who was emotionally entranced in the Unicorn potential with fear of regret if traded by Phil.
Shock and awe.

I don't know the future and KP might be still be "PorzinGod" but I understand the deductive reasoning of how some of it came to be and in a world were blame must be assigned, I prefer to just take solace that a process is in place and its "Pragmatic". Larry Brown left the building and is not granting interviews in the highway median!!! Good things will happen but its in the future.
It took a long time. The napalm of Isiah Thomas has finally washed off. Dolans abuse of Donnie and subsequent puppet Grunwald (proxy of Isiah?) have come and gone. We needed a starphuch of Phil to turn the corner.
Seems much of the world is impressed that the knicks stood their ground now have assets, cap space, core blue chip yoots and more important the respect of many. Its not going to win games anytime soon. But after many years and false attempts we have righted the ship. There is not manifest to success in sports. Just hope.

SI Open Floor Pod Praises Knicks FO

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