Knixkik wrote:This is what i'm hoping. A lot of people forget how good he really is. A couple of options would be trying to get KD and someone like Kyrie to give a little money back plus trading someone like Ntilikina and renouncing everyone possible, and signing DJ at a starting salary of 12-14 mil. It's possible if the cap climbs up to 113M as projected. Or it's possible KD comes here and we don't get a 2nd superstar, but just sign Jordan for his market value.

C Jordan/Robinson
F Durant/Vonleh
F Knox/(Barrett or Reddish)
G Dotson/Trier
G Smith/Ntilikina

It's not the sexy 2 star free agency, but we could do much worse, plus having plenty of young prospects and draft capital if the next star deal on the market presents itself.

I really like that team. I think we could give the business to the Raps even if they resign KL. I also think this team beats 76ers in a 7 game series. So the East could have been had with that lineup while keeping ALL the assets assuming KD.

TLover wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:This is what i'm hoping. A lot of people forget how good he really is. A couple of options would be trying to get KD and someone like Kyrie to give a little money back plus trading someone like Ntilikina and renouncing everyone possible, and signing DJ at a starting salary of 12-14 mil. It's possible if the cap climbs up to 113M as projected. Or it's possible KD comes here and we don't get a 2nd superstar, but just sign Jordan for his market value.

C Jordan/Robinson
F Durant/Vonleh
F Knox/(Barrett or Reddish)
G Dotson/Trier
G Smith/Ntilikina

It's not the sexy 2 star free agency, but we could do much worse, plus having plenty of young prospects and draft capital if the next star deal on the market presents itself.

I really like that team. I think we could give the business to the Raps even if they resign KL. I also think this team beats 76ers in a 7 game series. So the East could have been had with that lineup while keeping ALL the assets assuming KD.

Obviously depends on the development of our young players.
KD plus Klay plus Zion would be nice.

Now imagine we pull KD and Kyrie.....

They can renounce DJ's rights in the summer (for cap room) and then offer him the MLE of about 9 Mil a year for like 3 years. Then hit Vonleh with the Bi-Annual Exception

Kyrie/DSJ
Frank/Dotson/ Trier
KD/ Knox / Lance
Zion/ Vonleh
DJ / Mitch / Kornet

Plus 6 more picks in 4 years to either add to the roster by trade or draft.

That is not a bad team at all...... 2-3 primary scorers, young depth on the bench that can score, shooting, defenders, rebounding, and can get busy in the paint. That's a lineup that will give a lot of teams in the East problems.

Even if say we fall in the draft and get Reddish (who I think will be best player available at 5)

Kyrie/DSJ
Frank/Dotson/ Trier
KD/ Reddish / Lance
Knox/ Vonleh
DJ / Mitch / Kornet

The knicks are a really good small ball 4 shooting team starting Knox and can start Vonleh at the 4 if they want more rebounding instead. Plus 6 more picks in 4 years to either add to the roster by trade or draft.

wargames wrote:

TLover wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:This is what i'm hoping. A lot of people forget how good he really is. A couple of options would be trying to get KD and someone like Kyrie to give a little money back plus trading someone like Ntilikina and renouncing everyone possible, and signing DJ at a starting salary of 12-14 mil. It's possible if the cap climbs up to 113M as projected. Or it's possible KD comes here and we don't get a 2nd superstar, but just sign Jordan for his market value.

C Jordan/Robinson
F Durant/Vonleh
F Knox/(Barrett or Reddish)
G Dotson/Trier
G Smith/Ntilikina

It's not the sexy 2 star free agency, but we could do much worse, plus having plenty of young prospects and draft capital if the next star deal on the market presents itself.

I really like that team. I think we could give the business to the Raps even if they resign KL. I also think this team beats 76ers in a 7 game series. So the East could have been had with that lineup while keeping ALL the assets assuming KD.

Obviously depends on the development of our young players.
KD plus Klay plus Zion would be nice.

Now imagine we pull KD and Kyrie.....

They can renounce DJ's rights in the summer (for cap room) and then offer him the MLE of about 9 Mil a year for like 3 years. Then hit Vonleh with the Bi-Annual Exception

Kyrie/DSJ
Frank/Dotson/ Trier
KD/ Knox / Lance
Zion/ Vonleh
DJ / Mitch / Kornet

Plus 6 more picks in 4 years to either add to the roster by trade or draft.

That is not a bad team at all...... 2-3 primary scorers, young depth on the bench that can score, shooting, defenders, rebounding, and can get busy in the paint. That's a lineup that will give a lot of teams in the East problems.

Even if say we fall in the draft and get Reddish (who I think will be best player available at 5)

Kyrie/DSJ
Frank/Dotson/ Trier
KD/ Reddish / Lance
Knox/ Vonleh
DJ / Mitch / Kornet

The knicks are a really good small ball 4 shooting team starting Knox and can start Vonleh at the 4 if they want more rebounding instead. Plus 6 more picks in 4 years to either add to the roster by trade or draft.

They will be under the cap so won’t have the full mid level exception. There’s a lesser exception that runs about 2 years 9 mil total.

smackeddog wrote:Cap breakdown here:
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=58885

All we can offer him (If we sign KD and Kyrie) is the room MLE, which starts at $4.7mil. Good luck with that! If you wanted to offer him a deal starting at $10mil, then you'd have to trade away Frank and Dennis Jr and more in a salary dump.

We can ship Ntilikina and Thomas in a deal together (Lance has 1M guaranteed) and some team would gladly absorb without giving anything back because of Ntilikina. That would save $6M. Drop Trier and resign him for part of the smaller exception, that gets us up to about 10. Maybe the cap comes in higher and KD and Kyrie agree to give a little back. We can easily get up to 15M.

GustavBahler wrote:Might be in the minority here, but I would rather pass on Irving. Was in favor before the last surgery, before telling Boston fans he would be back, before throwing his teammates under the bus with that comment Kyrie made regarding LeBron.

Things can go south quickly in NY, dont know if Irving is the guy to lead us through it. Durant sure. Would rather try to make it work with DSJ, or draft a PG, if Zion isnt available. Would rather max out at other positions, if necessary. Dont believe Irving/Durant will get us to the promised land. Would love to be proven wrong though.

Knixkik wrote:This is what i'm hoping. A lot of people forget how good he really is. A couple of options would be trying to get KD and someone like Kyrie to give a little money back plus trading someone like Ntilikina and renouncing everyone possible, and signing DJ at a starting salary of 12-14 mil. It's possible if the cap climbs up to 113M as projected. Or it's possible KD comes here and we don't get a 2nd superstar, but just sign Jordan for his market value.

C Jordan/Robinson
F Durant/Vonleh
F Knox/(Barrett or Reddish)
G Dotson/Trier
G Smith/Ntilikina

It's not the sexy 2 star free agency, but we could do much worse, plus having plenty of young prospects and draft capital if the next star deal on the market presents itself.

There is ZERO chance KD's coming here without a 2nd superstar. That's the tough part of all this, to get the only guys it actually makes sense to give a max contract to, they'll have to sell it to 2 guys who want to do it and play with each other.

Either way I wouldn't give DJ a 12-14 mil per year deal, he's not worth it and it'll prob be a deal they'll want to get out of in a couple years anyway.

Knixkik wrote:

homeskillitprigioni wrote:

Knixkik wrote:This is what i'm hoping. A lot of people forget how good he really is. A couple of options would be trying to get KD and someone like Kyrie to give a little money back plus trading someone like Ntilikina and renouncing everyone possible, and signing DJ at a starting salary of 12-14 mil. It's possible if the cap climbs up to 113M as projected. Or it's possible KD comes here and we don't get a 2nd superstar, but just sign Jordan for his market value.

C Jordan/Robinson
F Durant/Vonleh
F Knox/(Barrett or Reddish)
G Dotson/Trier
G Smith/Ntilikina

It's not the sexy 2 star free agency, but we could do much worse, plus having plenty of young prospects and draft capital if the next star deal on the market presents itself.

There is ZERO chance KD's coming here without a 2nd superstar. That's the tough part of all this, to get the only guys it actually makes sense to give a max contract to, they'll have to sell it to 2 guys who want to do it and play with each other.

Either way I wouldn't give DJ a 12-14 mil per year deal, he's not worth it and it'll prob be a deal they'll want to get out of in a couple years anyway.

I don't necessarily agree about him not coming here without another star. He may just want to completely rebuild his image and play on a team surrounded by young talent he can lead (similar to lebron.) Or he might actually consider D Jordan to be that 2nd star. Has DJ declined at all? Maybe a tad, but he's improved his free throw shooting tremendously and his numbers are the same as always. Without CP3, his numbers were expected to decline regardless. KD and DJ with this current group, plus our 2019 pick can make some noise.

We don't have quality young talent though, which I also feel about the Lakers. The difference is LeBron didn't have the flexibility as a FA that these guys are going to have this offseason of having someone they can definitely pair up with. Most of our guys are a dime a dozen. Knox is really the only one who has the potential to be more and he's super raw. It's not like we have a budding young star that we can sell at this point. That team isn't winning a championship, and that's what this should be all about. Signing DJ would probably prevent another max to be signed in the future too, we'd be left with a team that's OK that makes the playoffs and never really does anything more.

But I do think it's irrelevant because KD is in the driver's seat. Even if he's rebuilding his image, he's not going somewhere without a 2nd guy that forms a core that a championship team can be built around.