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2/4/2019  10:38 AM
All 3 had injuries, PG had 2 years after injury to provide some insight into how he was playing. Oladipo traded before he blew up. Discuss

Kawhi:
The San Antonio Spurs trade Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green to the Toronto Raptors for DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poeltl and a protected 2019 first-round pick (protected 1-20 selection, after one year, it becomes two second-round picks).

Paul George:
The Indiana Pacers have agreed to trade four-time All-Star forward Paul George to the Oklahoma City Thunder, the Pacers will acquire guard Victor Oladipo and second-year big man Domantas Sabonis.

KP:
The Knicks receive Dennis Smith Jr., DeAndre Jordan, Wesley Matthews and two future first-round draft picks (2021 unproteced, 2023 top 10 protected) from the Mavericks in the deal; Courtney Lee, Tim Hardaway Jr. and Trey Burke are headed to Dallas.

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2/4/2019  10:41 AM
Question...What happens to the 2023 pick if it falls into the 1-10 spot? Does it go to 2024 Unprotected?
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2/4/2019  10:43 AM
NYKBocker wrote:Question...What happens to the 2023 pick if it falls into the 1-10 spot? Does it go to 2024 Unprotected?

I don't have exact details but I think it stays top 10 protected for a couple of years and then transfers to 2 second round picks?

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2/4/2019  10:47 AM
martin wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Question...What happens to the 2023 pick if it falls into the 1-10 spot? Does it go to 2024 Unprotected?

I don't have exact details but I think it stays top 10 protected for a couple of years and then transfers to 2 second round picks?

The report I read mentioned this but on the second round pick, only mentioned one. It does make sense that a first round pick turns into 2 second round picks, though. Still, the article mentioned that most picks like this get picked up before they turn into the second rounder, and being it a 1-10 protection means we will most likely see it become a first rounder for the Knicks.

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2/4/2019  10:50 AM
Here it is

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2/4/2019  10:51 AM
Knicksfan wrote:Here it is

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2/4/2019  11:20 AM
martin wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Here it is

Thanks

Yup thanks. That's pretty good. Almost guarantees that we will get the 1st rounder.
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2/4/2019  11:27 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Here it is

Thanks

Yup thanks. That's pretty good. Almost guarantees that we will get the 1st rounder.

But how many times have we traded picks thinking there's no way that they'll land in the top 10? Let's hope Dallas can at least maintain mediocrity.

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2/4/2019  11:27 AM
martin wrote:All 3 had injuries, PG had 2 years after injury to provide some insight into how he was playing. Oladipo traded before he blew up. Discuss

Kawhi:
The San Antonio Spurs trade Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green to the Toronto Raptors for DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poeltl and a protected 2019 first-round pick (protected 1-20 selection, after one year, it becomes two second-round picks).

Paul George:
The Indiana Pacers have agreed to trade four-time All-Star forward Paul George to the Oklahoma City Thunder, the Pacers will acquire guard Victor Oladipo and second-year big man Domantas Sabonis.

KP:
The Knicks receive Dennis Smith Jr., DeAndre Jordan, Wesley Matthews and two future first-round draft picks (2021 unproteced, 2023 top 10 protected) from the Mavericks in the deal; Courtney Lee, Tim Hardaway Jr. and Trey Burke are headed to Dallas.

PG and Kawhi were multi-year established stars, albeit Kawhi hadn't proven himself post-injury.

Everyone in the league knew those players wanted out and their respective previous FO had time to go out and find the best deals.

PG got you a decent starter in Victor and a fifth pick who had not panned out yet. PG was not a lock to resign with OKC as Lakers was a rumored destination.

Kawhi and Green gets you an all star, top 10 pick who has not panned out yet and a top 20 future pick.

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2/4/2019  11:33 AM
I believe there is a rule that picks have to be conveyed within 6 years after a trade which would be why the 2025 pick becomes a second.
In regards to the trade, I really like the package the Knicks got. Both players for Indy blew up after they got there but I don’t think that was expected. Teams don’t. Trade first round picks without protection. Teams also don’t trade two first round picks
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2/4/2019  11:33 AM
martin wrote:All 3 had injuries, PG had 2 years after injury to provide some insight into how he was playing. Oladipo traded before he blew up. Discuss

Kawhi:
The San Antonio Spurs trade Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green to the Toronto Raptors for DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poeltl and a protected 2019 first-round pick (protected 1-20 selection, after one year, it becomes two second-round picks).

Paul George:
The Indiana Pacers have agreed to trade four-time All-Star forward Paul George to the Oklahoma City Thunder, the Pacers will acquire guard Victor Oladipo and second-year big man Domantas Sabonis.

KP:
The Knicks receive Dennis Smith Jr., DeAndre Jordan, Wesley Matthews and two future first-round draft picks (2021 unproteced, 2023 top 10 protected) from the Mavericks in the deal; Courtney Lee, Tim Hardaway Jr. and Trey Burke are headed to Dallas.


If you took a point in time survey at the time each trade was made, Indiana would've received the lowest score and the Spurs the highest. That's obviously not the case now. It's too early to tell where we'll land on this list, but I'm guessing it won't grade as low as some writers graded it initially.
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2/4/2019  11:42 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Here it is

Thanks

Yup thanks. That's pretty good. Almost guarantees that we will get the 1st rounder.

But how many times have we traded picks thinking there's no way that they'll land in the top 10? Let's hope Dallas can at least maintain mediocrity.

If they are bad enough in 2023,24,25 to be in the top 10. Then that would mean KP didn't pan out with them and the Knicks won that trade by a mile.

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2/4/2019  11:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/4/2019  11:45 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Here it is

Thanks

Yup thanks. That's pretty good. Almost guarantees that we will get the 1st rounder.

But how many times have we traded picks thinking there's no way that they'll land in the top 10? Let's hope Dallas can at least maintain mediocrity.

If they are bad enough in 2023,24,25 to be in the top 10. Then that would mean KP didn't pan out with them and the Knicks won that trade by a mile.


True, but I don't really care about who wins this deal outright. There are too many things at play to ever make that call, at least for the next few years. But I really do want that second first-rounder lo
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2/4/2019  11:48 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Here it is

Thanks

Yup thanks. That's pretty good. Almost guarantees that we will get the 1st rounder.

But how many times have we traded picks thinking there's no way that they'll land in the top 10? Let's hope Dallas can at least maintain mediocrity.

If they are bad enough in 2023,24,25 to be in the top 10. Then that would mean KP didn't pan out with them and the Knicks won that trade by a mile.

absolutely

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2/4/2019  1:41 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:All 3 had injuries, PG had 2 years after injury to provide some insight into how he was playing. Oladipo traded before he blew up. Discuss

Kawhi:
The San Antonio Spurs trade Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green to the Toronto Raptors for DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poeltl and a protected 2019 first-round pick (protected 1-20 selection, after one year, it becomes two second-round picks).

Paul George:
The Indiana Pacers have agreed to trade four-time All-Star forward Paul George to the Oklahoma City Thunder, the Pacers will acquire guard Victor Oladipo and second-year big man Domantas Sabonis.

KP:
The Knicks receive Dennis Smith Jr., DeAndre Jordan, Wesley Matthews and two future first-round draft picks (2021 unproteced, 2023 top 10 protected) from the Mavericks in the deal; Courtney Lee, Tim Hardaway Jr. and Trey Burke are headed to Dallas.


If you took a point in time survey at the time each trade was made, Indiana would've received the lowest score and the Spurs the highest. That's obviously not the case now. It's too early to tell where we'll land on this list, but I'm guessing it won't grade as low as some writers graded it initially.

Absolutely. A big part of the KP trade will be how KP pans out and how NY is able to use the cap space and the additional picks.

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2/4/2019  2:06 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Here it is

Thanks

Yup thanks. That's pretty good. Almost guarantees that we will get the 1st rounder.

But how many times have we traded picks thinking there's no way that they'll land in the top 10? Let's hope Dallas can at least maintain mediocrity.

If they are bad enough in 2023,24,25 to be in the top 10. Then that would mean KP didn't pan out with them and the Knicks won that trade by a mile.

absolutely

or they have a year where they are decimated with injuries. It happens. Wash has a good roster. They are lottery bound. Anything can happen and while Luka and KP look like they could be an epic duo stuff happens which is why unprotected lottery pics are so risky
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2/4/2019  2:29 PM
KP goes down at least one pick protected. Call it the "Isiah/Curry Rule".
Like most deals we won't know the full impact for a few years.
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2/4/2019  3:32 PM
fishmike wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Here it is

Thanks

Yup thanks. That's pretty good. Almost guarantees that we will get the 1st rounder.

But how many times have we traded picks thinking there's no way that they'll land in the top 10? Let's hope Dallas can at least maintain mediocrity.

If they are bad enough in 2023,24,25 to be in the top 10. Then that would mean KP didn't pan out with them and the Knicks won that trade by a mile.

absolutely

or they have a year where they are decimated with injuries. It happens. Wash has a good roster. They are lottery bound. Anything can happen and while Luka and KP look like they could be an epic duo stuff happens which is why unprotected lottery pics are so risky

Plus if they are picking 1-10 on 2023-2025 that means that the 2025 2nd round pick is pretty good.
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