HofstraBBall wrote:

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Didn't watch the game, but 11-25 shooting is ugly. I'm missing a lot of context, but was it case where he was the only who could get off and the game dictated he throw up all kinds of crazy shots? Knox, Matthews and Dot also had putrid lines as well, so that very well could've been the case. How did Iso-Zo look next to DSJ?

He was 10-20 until around the 4th.

He is gonna be the featured player go to guy for the rest of the season as expected. Which is great in terms of building his value(just in case things happen).

We will have the rest of the season to evaluate him.

Which included a half court shot with half running out and 3 blocked shots. Weird how the same guys that touted a 5 and 5 game from Frank all of sudden have higher expectations for Smith?

What do you think will happen with frank, he is clearly expendable now.

First it was Burke, then Mudiay, Now DSJ, and their #1 target is Kyrie...

clearly I don't think they see frank as their future PG..

I know the knicks prefer to nab a first rounder if he's traded, but they way we shoot bricks, i would be looking at trying to get some shooters,

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StarksEwing1 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/platform/amp/2019/2/2/18206290/the-unexpected-path-of-dennis-smith-jr-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks-nba-trade-deadline

Chemistry was an issue. Sometimes it just doesnt work out. Dont believe this is a situation where one side is to blame. Doncic is already one of the best P&R players in the league. Not that big a surprise that the focus had shifted to Doncic. Wether or not Smith jr. was pitch perfect, the lack of chemistry on the court made a change inevitable.

If Smith jr doesnt stick, dont believe its going to be because of his personality. More about what he does to round out his game. Im pretty sure he's got a huge chip on his shoulder at this point over this. Lets see how he responds.

You could be right about chemistry. Look ive made it known that im not a huge DSJ fan but there is no question he has offensive ability and is still very young. If we can somehow get him to work more on distribution and at least a little defense it could be a lot of fun.

I think this will turn out badly, but I'll still take Smith Jr's cost controlled contract over Mudiay. If we have to have one dimensional chuckers then I would want the least expensive and youngest one. Hoping he can be taught to play the right way but ZERO confidence in Fiz's ability to do so especially after a great caoch like Carlisle couldn't.

Carlisle was tough on Smith jr. characteristically tough. Never read anything about Carlisle suggesting that he was a problem. Believe Carlisle is too proud to apologize to Smith jr, if he didnt believe he could have handled the transition to Doncic better.

Smith jr was starting from day one, didnt get to ease into learning how to be a starting PG in the NBA.

NY will give Smithjr a great opportunity to run a team. Already has some experience to learn from. Not predicting anything, just glad he's here for the opportunity.

The idea that an accomplished coach has to apologize to an entitled 19 yr old, is why the NBA is falling apart at the seams. Opportunity wasn't lacking discipline was. Discipline more than talent is needed to succeed in the NBA. You can make it to the NBA on talent alone, because you now play only one year in college and may not have major weaknesses in your game exposed. Once you get here it's a different game and everyone elese is also faster, stronger and in a few cases smarter. A coach like Carlisle would have made him great if he had put in the effort sincerely opn both ends of teh floor. Fiz won't make him better, but may lead him to more highlight reels and short term foolishness.

Who says Carlisle didnt want to apologize? Who says Carlisle didnt do anything worth apologizing for? You are putting whatever happened on a kid, and giving mgmt, coaching, a complete pass. Carlisle took responsibility for not handling the situation the best way he could. Players dont respect coaches, organizations who pass the buck. Shows a lack of character to let a kid believe its all on him.

Carlisle is one of the toughest coaches to play for in NBA history. He's admitted that sometimes he doesnt get it right. Remember that huge dustup he got into with Rondo? Championship winning PG? Dont remember Carlisle apologizing for that.

Im old school as well. Never did buy into the idea that if a coach f's up somehow, he's supposed to act like he did nothing wrong, pin it on his players. Treating players with respect doesnt make them "entitled".

Frank was brought along gradually, which was the right thing to do. If he had been thrust into the starting job from day one, I doubt he would have performed as well. Wasnt ready. Just because Smith jr. didnt figure it all out his rookie year, doesnt mean he cant excel. You are writing the kid's epitath before he has played game one for the Knicks.

He was supplanted by one of the best rookies to come around in years, with a very brief chance to make it work. Glad that Dallas isnt the last opportunity that he will ever get in this league. Smith is an amazing athlete who has to learn to combine his athleticism, with a more well rounded game.

Glad he's getting the chance in NY to prove he can run a team long term. Havent seen anyone on the Knicks yet wbo has shown he can for more than a handful of games. You should welcome the competition.

Wait what?

Ok so why don't you explain what happened and how Carlisle ****ed up? And what he did that required apologizing? Do you realize Dennis Smith intentionally ignored plays that were being called for him because he was upset at losing his starting job to a player light years better than him? That's not entitled behavior from a fukking 19 or old?

Keep off the hyperbole.

When was this? The second they saw what they had with Doncic, it looks like they were falling over themselves to turn the team over to him. Making a transition to Doncic as the focal point of the offense, was the right thing to do. The way the way they went about doing that might have been badly handled. Smith jr. a few months earlier was being groomed as the PG/Floor general of the future, and like that its gone. Dont believe its hyperbole to say that Carlisle may have been too business like about it, and not factoring in Smith jr's age, and what he was told not long ago.

As far as hyperbole "one dimensional chucker" isnt exactly in depth analysis. Believe you're being a bit hasty here. And I cant get a refund on the DSJ uniform I bought you!

Everybody he doesn't like gets labeled "one dimensional chucker."

No just that the Knicks are the rehabilitation center for the ones that actually are one dimensional chuckers. Melo, Rose, THJR, Mudiay, Burke, Smith is an endless list of them. It's a disease

Which is a list similar to one you can probably formulate with any team not named the Warriors.

Eraser boy/Linshouldcum with the agenda. Pushing the "he ignored plays" like it came from the coaches mouth. It came from a blogger who mentioned a scout he was interviewing that thought this may have happened. But yeah, eraser boy makes it so. Carlisle apologized for not handling the transition of Doncic as main ball handler better. Dumbass also claims Smith Jr. lost his starting job. Yet doesn't realize this never happened (as Smith went out due to injury) nor does Doncic play the point guard position. So how did he lose his job to Doncic. If your gonna post 24/7 and use up moms data, at least post some truth.

This was a case of a franchise changing directions. They touted Smith the previous year as the face of the franchise. They then lucked out and got essentially the number ONE pick who they think is a better player. Smith saw and probably was told he would no longer be the focal point. But people blame him for wanting a better situation? GTFOH. Same people that make all the excuses for KP and how the team did everything for him only to have him want to move on.

One of things I haven't seen mentioned much is that we have an instant contender for the dunking contest during all star weekend. Very cool.

Maybe we'll go after one of the players in the 3pt shooting contest too.

technomaster wrote:In any case, 11/25 is still a solid 44% FG%. It's a lot of shots and ideally he'd have gotten to the line more... but you know... ref's. Can't make 'em blow whistles.

One of things I haven't seen mentioned much is that we have an instant contender for the dunking contest during all star weekend. Very cool.

Maybe we'll go after one of the players in the 3pt shooting contest too.

Sure blame the refs. Click on points on this table and then look at FGM/FGA.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5467/gamelog
Last time Mudiay hit 25 pts, it was on 18 shots, not 25 pts on 25 shots. i.e....when Mudiay saw he's having a bad shooting game, he didn't just continue jacking it up for the most part.

for the season, DSJr is still less than Mudiay in shooting percentage, and he didn't have the pressure of running the offense....that was Doncic. If Mudiay started jacking up 25 shots to get to 25 points, people here would be singing his praises...much like DSJr.

anrst wrote:There is no room for Mudiay on this team when we have a younger, better version

mudiay is like 14 months older, you mind as well be honest and just say you don't like him, instead of reaching for some irrelevant stat.

Mudiay who be a nice back up to DSJ or kyrie..DSJ is going to bitch if he's not starting

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newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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Didn't watch the game, but 11-25 shooting is ugly. I'm missing a lot of context, but was it case where he was the only who could get off and the game dictated he throw up all kinds of crazy shots? Knox, Matthews and Dot also had putrid lines as well, so that very well could've been the case. How did Iso-Zo look next to DSJ?

He was 10-20 until around the 4th.

He is gonna be the featured player go to guy for the rest of the season as expected. Which is great in terms of building his value(just in case things happen).

We will have the rest of the season to evaluate him.

I think that's the key. Build that value if we can by making him the feature guy and hope somebody bites this summer.

In other words, hope he plays really well, then get rid of him..

but i gotta asked...why would you get rid of a guy playing really well for you?

StarksEwing1 wrote:

anrst wrote:There is no room for Mudiay on this team when we have a younger, better version

plus mudiay is up for a pay raise

Correct, we can’t afford him (need to renounce to free up the 2 max spots), unless we have him the room exception, which would make no sense as that’s the only thing we have to fill out the roster.

knicks1248 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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https://twitter.com/tommybeer/status/1092992470328193024

Didn't watch the game, but 11-25 shooting is ugly. I'm missing a lot of context, but was it case where he was the only who could get off and the game dictated he throw up all kinds of crazy shots? Knox, Matthews and Dot also had putrid lines as well, so that very well could've been the case. How did Iso-Zo look next to DSJ?

He was 10-20 until around the 4th.

He is gonna be the featured player go to guy for the rest of the season as expected. Which is great in terms of building his value(just in case things happen).

We will have the rest of the season to evaluate him.

Which included a half court shot with half running out and 3 blocked shots. Weird how the same guys that touted a 5 and 5 game from Frank all of sudden have higher expectations for Smith?

What do you think will happen with frank, he is clearly expendable now.

First it was Burke, then Mudiay, Now DSJ, and their #1 target is Kyrie...

clearly I don't think they see frank as their future PG..

I know the knicks prefer to nab a first rounder if he's traded, but they way we shoot bricks, i would be looking at trying to get some shooters,

technomaster wrote:In any case, 11/25 is still a solid 44% FG%. It's a lot of shots and ideally he'd have gotten to the line more... but you know... ref's. Can't make 'em blow whistles.

One of things I haven't seen mentioned much is that we have an instant contender for the dunking contest during all star weekend. Very cool.

Maybe we'll go after one of the players in the 3pt shooting contest too.

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

anrst wrote:There is no room for Mudiay on this team when we have a younger, better version

mudiay is like 14 months older, you mind as well be honest and just say you don't like him, instead of reaching for some irrelevant stat.

Mudiay who be a nice back up to DSJ or kyrie..DSJ is going to bitch if he's not starting

We need to get rid of both these idiots. Don't need someone who is too good to come off the bench. And they couldn't guard anyone if their lives depend on it.

6 assists and 4 turnovers - And people are jumping up and down.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:As with Frank, lets be patient. SMith is 20 years old. Frank is 19. Wall did not develop a jumper for 5 years in the NBA and it is still not the best. Both of these kids show enough, IMO that we don't need or want KYRIE. Yes, he is good and yes he is better than both of them BUT I'd rather see NY get the talent at the 2/3/4/ positions in the FA and draft.

The draft is the wild card right now. UNtil we know who the pick is, I dont think you can focus your FA on any particular player beside KD. I think he is a given no mattter who is chosen. If NY gets JA do we really need Kyrie? No. Maybe DSjr is a 2 not a 1. Maybe Frank is the PG needed for a team full of guys who need the ball.

Accumulating talent is a good thing via the draft but FA should be about filling needs. This team is well positioned but the exact direction cannot be set yet.

I believe the bolded part. While 25 shots is a bit much, We need to get used to the fact that new breed PG's are scoring alot. We arent used to seeing it because this team has really tried to stay true to the old fashioned PG position since Steph left, but guys like Lillard, Steph, Wall, Rose, hell even Donovan Mitchell (who came into the league as PG), they score a lot, which means they shoot alot.