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DJMUSIC
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1/27/2019  10:11 AM
Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

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1/27/2019  11:02 AM
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/27/2019  11:04 AM
DJMUSIC wrote:Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

Actually for me it is first enjoyable year in decades.
I like what I see and future looks good.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/28/2019  2:38 AM
arkrud wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

Actually for me it is first enjoyable year in decades.
I like what I see and future looks good.

That's how I feel... I'm having the most fun I've had as a knick fan in many years

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1/28/2019  9:05 AM
EnySpree wrote:
arkrud wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

Actually for me it is first enjoyable year in decades.
I like what I see and future looks good.

That's how I feel... I'm having the most fun I've had as a knick fan in many years

I know we are what our record says we are.

But early in the season, this team was close every night. And yesterday - one horrendous quarter sank us.

Put a healthy KP on this squad at the start of the year, and they are competing for a play off spot.

I am hoping that if they can keep most of these guys together next year, a healthy KP, a top 4 draft pick and perhaps a major FA signing, we'll be right there contending for the next 5 years.

Am I disappointed by how we've lost games?

Am I worried that Kanter is part of what made this team gutsy, flaws and all?

Am I worried we strike out on a FA?

Am I worried that KP won't ever be healthy for a full season, and will wear down after a solid all star 2 month stretch?

Yes.

But likewise, until hindsight says otherwise, I like the potential and future of our team right now.

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1/28/2019  9:15 AM
franco12 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
arkrud wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

Actually for me it is first enjoyable year in decades.
I like what I see and future looks good.

That's how I feel... I'm having the most fun I've had as a knick fan in many years

I know we are what our record says we are.

But early in the season, this team was close every night. And yesterday - one horrendous quarter sank us.

Put a healthy KP on this squad at the start of the year, and they are competing for a play off spot.

I am hoping that if they can keep most of these guys together next year, a healthy KP, a top 4 draft pick and perhaps a major FA signing, we'll be right there contending for the next 5 years.

Am I disappointed by how we've lost games?

Am I worried that Kanter is part of what made this team gutsy, flaws and all?

Am I worried we strike out on a FA?

Am I worried that KP won't ever be healthy for a full season, and will wear down after a solid all star 2 month stretch?

Yes.

But likewise, until hindsight says otherwise, I like the potential and future of our team right now.

I am optimistic not because of players we have because we do not have much.
Not because of KP as we do not know how he will do.
I like the team building flexibility, collecting assets, and removing the junk.
This is the path to sustainable success regardless of how lucky or unlucky we will be.
We saw the organization run relying on pure luck and how miserably it failed.
Time to get serious about the business.
It can be boring and frustrating for a while but there is no other way.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/29/2019  8:15 AM
arkrud wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

Actually for me it is first enjoyable year in decades.
I like what I see and future looks good.


I agree...this team is not far off. They have a certain toughness to them.
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1/29/2019  10:48 AM
arkrud wrote:
franco12 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
arkrud wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

Actually for me it is first enjoyable year in decades.
I like what I see and future looks good.

That's how I feel... I'm having the most fun I've had as a knick fan in many years

I know we are what our record says we are.

But early in the season, this team was close every night. And yesterday - one horrendous quarter sank us.

Put a healthy KP on this squad at the start of the year, and they are competing for a play off spot.

I am hoping that if they can keep most of these guys together next year, a healthy KP, a top 4 draft pick and perhaps a major FA signing, we'll be right there contending for the next 5 years.

Am I disappointed by how we've lost games?

Am I worried that Kanter is part of what made this team gutsy, flaws and all?

Am I worried we strike out on a FA?

Am I worried that KP won't ever be healthy for a full season, and will wear down after a solid all star 2 month stretch?

Yes.

But likewise, until hindsight says otherwise, I like the potential and future of our team right now.

I am optimistic not because of players we have because we do not have much.
Not because of KP as we do not know how he will do.
I like the team building flexibility, collecting assets, and removing the junk.
This is the path to sustainable success regardless of how lucky or unlucky we will be.
We saw the organization run relying on pure luck and how miserably it failed.
Time to get serious about the business.
It can be boring and frustrating for a while but there is no other way.

This is so true. And the main reason it fails in NYC involves patience among the fan base. 1248 and his ilk drive the mistakes of the past. Patience is key to long-term success.

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1/29/2019  11:24 AM
Moonangie wrote:
arkrud wrote:
franco12 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
arkrud wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

Actually for me it is first enjoyable year in decades.
I like what I see and future looks good.

That's how I feel... I'm having the most fun I've had as a knick fan in many years

I know we are what our record says we are.

But early in the season, this team was close every night. And yesterday - one horrendous quarter sank us.

Put a healthy KP on this squad at the start of the year, and they are competing for a play off spot.

I am hoping that if they can keep most of these guys together next year, a healthy KP, a top 4 draft pick and perhaps a major FA signing, we'll be right there contending for the next 5 years.

Am I disappointed by how we've lost games?

Am I worried that Kanter is part of what made this team gutsy, flaws and all?

Am I worried we strike out on a FA?

Am I worried that KP won't ever be healthy for a full season, and will wear down after a solid all star 2 month stretch?

Yes.

But likewise, until hindsight says otherwise, I like the potential and future of our team right now.

I am optimistic not because of players we have because we do not have much.
Not because of KP as we do not know how he will do.
I like the team building flexibility, collecting assets, and removing the junk.
This is the path to sustainable success regardless of how lucky or unlucky we will be.
We saw the organization run relying on pure luck and how miserably it failed.
Time to get serious about the business.
It can be boring and frustrating for a while but there is no other way.

This is so true. And the main reason it fails in NYC involves patience among the fan base. 1248 and his ilk drive the mistakes of the past. Patience is key to long-term success.

Its understandable that in big media markets like NY and LA the patience is hard to come by.
The majority of fans want to have fun now. And the fun for them is not watching great basketball, not winning titles, not build dynasties.
Fan for them is to watch the show in the Garden run by celeb athletes who produce highlight plays and of-court controversies.
Those fans needs drama and commotion. Stuff to cry and talk about.
But real hardcore Knicks fans are different.
We want teams like we had in 70th and 90th.
We want greatness, loyalty, sacrifice. We want great team basketball.
And we do not care how long it will take to build this and how mush losing it will take to get there.

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1/29/2019  4:25 PM
I think our talent is actually pretty good.

You have to give a few of these guys the offseason to get stronger and actually get real work in on their games.

Robinson, has a very strong plus minus, he hustles, has a good motor and is already an elite shot blocker with tremendous athleticism. He just needs a big man to come in and work with him on positioning. He adds 10-15 pounds in the offseason it's a big leap in year two.

Knox has shown he can score at an elite clip, which is impressive at 19. Remember Giannis really struggled early on and didn't look like the next superstar. In no way is that a comparison, but as he gets a little stronger, they bring in someone to teach him footwork, how to create space and use your own body he's an elite prospect.

Trier has shown he has elite athleticism for his size and is a natural scorer. He's undrafted and is top 10 in pts and assists which is a tremendous accomplishment, not to mentioned he's top 5 in FTA, which is invaluable going forward.

Dotson is a good defender and a high percentage 3 point shooter on a good contract, for a second round pick he's a nice piece.

The only one that hasn't really shown promise to date is Frank, but he's still one of the younger players in the league so he needs a little more time.

All in all with a healthy KP, everyone is obviously much better, there is less attention on them and the depth increases considerably. I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as everyone thinks. We have been dog **** for close to 18 years, but this is the first rebuild in a very long time. Philly was drowning winning no games missing on guys like Noel, MCW, Okafur, etc. We have been efficient drafting the past few years and will turn the corner with another high lottery pick and become a free agent destination again.

I am encouraged.

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1/29/2019  5:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/29/2019  6:10 PM
EnySpree wrote:
arkrud wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

Actually for me it is first enjoyable year in decades.
I like what I see and future looks good.

That's how I feel... I'm having the most fun I've had as a knick fan in many years

Losing is a disease. It seems its too late for both of you.

Gotta say that there are some on here that prefer dreaming about some FA that wont come here or some fantasy draft pick than actually having a competitive team that can be improved on year over year. Not saying you guys are but this does exist on here. True its been nice seeing that Knox can actually turn into a decent pick for us and watching some of our tryout players show some skills. But lets not get carried away. It still sucks being the joke of the NBA and no matter what it is not fun watching the Knicks get their asses kicked every game. Think we can turn it around but the biggest negative for me is that after four years of rebuilding, we only have 2 or 3 guys looking like part of the future.

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1/29/2019  5:20 PM
DJMUSIC wrote:Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

Dj, your a Raptor fan right? You may be needing some patience as well. When you know who decides its time to go to LA.

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1/29/2019  5:22 PM
Wow...there are some optimistic fans left in this chat room. How dare you feel good about your team. I thought that wasn't allowed. lol

I agree, we have a certain toughness about us. We are young. And at the beginning of the season, we was in every game. Seems like we are missing some much needed star power to go with these solid role players. That's not a knock on the team. Every championship team is loaded with solid role players. We just need 2 of those role players to step up and become a star player.

The future looks bright. Lets hope the FO continues to make the right moves. And don't get caught up in this rush to the finish line mentality of the past. It's hard in these large markets, but we already tried it one way.....And it failed. We barely miss or make the playoffs and obtain a low pick, which forces us to add more over the hill star wanna bees.

I like the direction this ship is heading. It's a little foggy, so it's hard to see down range, but I have faith.

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1/29/2019  6:12 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
arkrud wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

Actually for me it is first enjoyable year in decades.
I like what I see and future looks good.

That's how I feel... I'm having the most fun I've had as a knick fan in many years

Losing is a disease. It seems its too late for both of you.

Gotta say that there are some on here that prefer dreaming about some FA that wont come here or some fantasy draft pick than actually having a competitive team that can be improved on year over year. Not saying you guys are but this does exist on here. True its been nice seeing that Knox can actually turn into a decent pick for us and watching some of our tryout players show some skills. But lets not get carried away. It still sucks being the joke of the NBA and no matter what it is not fun watching the Knicks get their asses kicked every game. Think we can turn it around but the biggest negative for me is that after four years of rebuilding, we only have 2 or 3 guys looking like part of the future.

4 years? Really? Phil was not rebuilding, he was retooling with already broken tools...
In my books its just one calendar year since we started..

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1/29/2019  6:55 PM
I like some of the young guys we have in place, and this rebuild, as painful as it has been with all the losing, is better than spending eternity in mediocrity, grabbing the last playoff spot and bowing out in first rounds with no high picks and no hope in sight.
But with a max contract coming up for KP, this summer will define our fortunes for the next 4 years, as this is our last chance to make a leap and build a contender. If we strike out on getting one of the three or four elite FAs, then I am afraid mediocrity will be our fate for a long time. Teaming up KP with a second tier star like a kemba walker will not make us a contender. And I am afraid even if we manage to get Zion in the draft, it still will not be enough. I do not see anyone from our youth develop into a star, though most can become great supporting players. To me Knox as at best a poor man's Keith Van Horn or Channing Frye, Dotson is at best the next Nick Anderson, and we can only pray that Frank one day approaches anywhere near the level of a George Hill or a Chauncey Billups.
Spending money on Hardaway when we could have just stood pat and kept more cap space was supreme stupidity, which may have likely already condemned us to mediocrity. Without this, we would have been in a position to pull a Miami Heat this summer and go for two top notch FAs to complement KP.
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1/30/2019  10:37 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

Dj, your a Raptor fan right? You may be needing some patience as well. When you know who decides its time to go to LA.

Hofstra good morning greetings

You kidding correct?
I have lots of family in Toronto But I'm certainly NO raptor fan but I'm Khawi Fan.
If you trickled down my friend to end if post SEE -->Patience is same things I've cited.

However you line regarding THJr., maybe he's family to you In regard to whom goes LA or stays.
Tim jr has had his moments but We dont need him! Nor his $$contract and low durability floor $$$.

Few knicks mentioned i cited are youth knicke rookies & KP. Our knicks have drafts picks, great!
They can use a bit of youth Vets in league but i ain't giving up the good Knicks. Also please dont go on like rest of NYK Roster is all futures of when NYK begin to rise to top Again,

Specifically THJ .. Trey Burke, Lance Thomas types are future of the then improved NYK When! these timeframes happen.

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1/30/2019  10:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2019  10:59 AM
Point of post simply said our nyk Need
Talents!

Roster is far away from talents of more than 1/2 of NBA Teams. Look no further than scross the river Nj Brooklyn's Nets. Aside from Russell whom big names are over there? But when's said and done lots of good talent is on roster and them guys haven't been together a real long time! Few may become stars soon from a sound front office & good coach's ex.Knick assistant Kenny Atkinson coach.

Ny will need talent obviously to go along with KP
And developing Knox & Trier, M.Robinson. Mitch got upsides skills he aint going nowhere.

Bunch of league is young, Super! But talent skill level's are what Knicks will seek
In draft and proper signings of skilled younger NBA players which are in our league
Currently. Look no further than Denver's roster.

I forgot to cite I do like Noah Vonieh & Dotson. I was glad we got him out of college.
Dont care yet for Hezonja, Kanter I like more off court than on court playing.

Butler is INC rating not back long enough.
Kornet has skills but too soon yet, he seem ny tough edge wise.

Like the NBA somewhat & challenges of competing to
GS warrior's standards. Yes still disdain Celts, Heat Pacers or any near rivalry.
Not a Nets fan neither but respect what Brooklyn has done (without hi# draft picks)

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1/30/2019  12:05 PM
arkrud wrote:
franco12 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
arkrud wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:Suffering nyk fans
So very many NBA teams with talent
And 2 wsy players whom develop quicker
Than our guys can.

Let the fire sale begin for
TH jr. And all knicks excluding
Knox Trier Robinson and KP Of course

Patience

Actually for me it is first enjoyable year in decades.
I like what I see and future looks good.

That's how I feel... I'm having the most fun I've had as a knick fan in many years

I know we are what our record says we are.

But early in the season, this team was close every night. And yesterday - one horrendous quarter sank us.

Put a healthy KP on this squad at the start of the year, and they are competing for a play off spot.

I am hoping that if they can keep most of these guys together next year, a healthy KP, a top 4 draft pick and perhaps a major FA signing, we'll be right there contending for the next 5 years.

Am I disappointed by how we've lost games?

Am I worried that Kanter is part of what made this team gutsy, flaws and all?

Am I worried we strike out on a FA?

Am I worried that KP won't ever be healthy for a full season, and will wear down after a solid all star 2 month stretch?

Yes.

But likewise, until hindsight says otherwise, I like the potential and future of our team right now.

I am optimistic not because of players we have because we do not have much.
Not because of KP as we do not know how he will do.
I like the team building flexibility, collecting assets, and removing the junk.
This is the path to sustainable success regardless of how lucky or unlucky we will be.
We saw the organization run relying on pure luck and how miserably it failed.
Time to get serious about the business.
It can be boring and frustrating for a while but there is no other way.

Once again sound reasoning - that's twice in two days!

I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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1/30/2019  10:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2019  10:20 PM
MS wrote:
You have to give a few of these guys the offseason to get stronger and actually get real work in on their games.

I am encouraged.

Not every fan is capable of performing this type of NBA calculus.

That young players usually improve a lot from year one to year three. They need two or sometimes three NBA offseasons to work on their game.
Meanwhile in those years the elite players of the day slip a a little. So the younguns are getting better while the competition is decreasing.
That's why having young players is the path.

A decade ago Seattle/OKC drafted three young talents in the span of 3 or 4 draft cycle and they're still changing the league.
Drafting is but one aspect. You then have to realize what it is you have.

Everything in moderation. Even moderation.
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1/31/2019  12:32 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:Dj, your a Raptor fan right?

The other DJ...djsu that's a raps fan now.

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