knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t think anyone here realize that the Knicks are running a shut show. If your going to lose lose but do it trying to learn something. They aren’t learning defense they aren’t learning offensive execution. Youth movement doesn’t have to mean lose and lose some more they have to have a learning curve. Can anyone honestly say this group is learning team basketball?

I agree. What I question is not what we think they should be learning, but when? Also while we think its perfectly logical to think they should, perhaps they are on a different task?
I remember when MDA kinda thru in the towel and "Dumbed down" the defense. They could not do it. Since the roster was in such a state of flux it might not have made sense to do it.
Maybe Fiz is trying to just get Mudiay and frank to "Be themselves" then build on it. Some games we see frank be very aggressive on offense and not really care about missing shots. once he can gain some confidence in that, then let him build on that but bring back his unselfish game. Trier looks like he does not a green light when ever. Knox is still very young and his future is as a scorer. Let him acclimate to that at this level then bring in "team concepts". This is not SAS or any established team.
For that matter what will we ask of KP? Go out and just do what your comfortable doing and gain your confidence back?
Im not saying anyone is wrong, im just speculating and perhaps that makes some sense of it and if so it does not indict Fiz as being an idiot as some suggest. This guy won chips as assistant in Miami. He has seen it and been a part of it.

Sometimes you have to coach to what you got. I know its the NBA and should be more ready. Frank was drafted by one regime and coach and now has his second in two seasons. Knox has had gone from High school, then Calipari and now Fiz. That's a lot of change. if Knox or drafted on SAS they'd sit for a year or two.

Do you think in High School they tell the kids to find themselves? Hell no the coach has a tight grip on schemes and style of play. What Fiz is doing is creating very bad habits. They become harder and harder to break away from once the become ingrained. Melo is probably the prime example of unable to adjust his game. This is going to happen to these young players. They need to be told what and how.

And FIZ said this himself, he specifically stated that these young guys are developing bad habits and they will be hard to break, and he has said this more than once or twice..IMO it was a shot a management

When he said I'm just going to let frank be frank and do whatever he is comfortable doing, In other words, im done trying to teach him how to be something he doesn't want to be, and i feel JH felt the same way..

Frank will not be comfortable without a system.

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t think anyone here realize that the Knicks are running a shut show. If your going to lose lose but do it trying to learn something. They aren’t learning defense they aren’t learning offensive execution. Youth movement doesn’t have to mean lose and lose some more they have to have a learning curve. Can anyone honestly say this group is learning team basketball?

I agree. What I question is not what we think they should be learning, but when? Also while we think its perfectly logical to think they should, perhaps they are on a different task?
I remember when MDA kinda thru in the towel and "Dumbed down" the defense. They could not do it. Since the roster was in such a state of flux it might not have made sense to do it.
Maybe Fiz is trying to just get Mudiay and frank to "Be themselves" then build on it. Some games we see frank be very aggressive on offense and not really care about missing shots. once he can gain some confidence in that, then let him build on that but bring back his unselfish game. Trier looks like he does not a green light when ever. Knox is still very young and his future is as a scorer. Let him acclimate to that at this level then bring in "team concepts". This is not SAS or any established team.
For that matter what will we ask of KP? Go out and just do what your comfortable doing and gain your confidence back?
Im not saying anyone is wrong, im just speculating and perhaps that makes some sense of it and if so it does not indict Fiz as being an idiot as some suggest. This guy won chips as assistant in Miami. He has seen it and been a part of it.

Sometimes you have to coach to what you got. I know its the NBA and should be more ready. Frank was drafted by one regime and coach and now has his second in two seasons. Knox has had gone from High school, then Calipari and now Fiz. That's a lot of change. if Knox or drafted on SAS they'd sit for a year or two.

Do you think in High School they tell the kids to find themselves? Hell no the coach has a tight grip on schemes and style of play. What Fiz is doing is creating very bad habits. They become harder and harder to break away from once the become ingrained. Melo is probably the prime example of unable to adjust his game. This is going to happen to these young players. They need to be told what and how.

And FIZ said this himself, he specifically stated that these young guys are developing bad habits and they will be hard to break, and he has said this more than once or twice..IMO it was a shot a management

When he said I'm just going to let frank be frank and do whatever he is comfortable doing, In other words, im done trying to teach him how to be something he doesn't want to be, and i feel JH felt the same way..

Frank will not be comfortable without a system.

There is no system without the parts.
How you can plug 5 players in the system that should have 9-10?
Development is one task but improving the roster is another.
So as a coach you need to build a value of your trade assets.
After trade deadline we will see majority of minutes given to those who slated to stay.
The rest of the dudes who will not be traded/release/bought-out will fill the void and cover for injured or tired legs.
Losing will became blowouts. And this is all great.

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t think anyone here realize that the Knicks are running a shut show. If your going to lose lose but do it trying to learn something. They aren’t learning defense they aren’t learning offensive execution. Youth movement doesn’t have to mean lose and lose some more they have to have a learning curve. Can anyone honestly say this group is learning team basketball?

I agree. What I question is not what we think they should be learning, but when? Also while we think its perfectly logical to think they should, perhaps they are on a different task?
I remember when MDA kinda thru in the towel and "Dumbed down" the defense. They could not do it. Since the roster was in such a state of flux it might not have made sense to do it.
Maybe Fiz is trying to just get Mudiay and frank to "Be themselves" then build on it. Some games we see frank be very aggressive on offense and not really care about missing shots. once he can gain some confidence in that, then let him build on that but bring back his unselfish game. Trier looks like he does not a green light when ever. Knox is still very young and his future is as a scorer. Let him acclimate to that at this level then bring in "team concepts". This is not SAS or any established team.
For that matter what will we ask of KP? Go out and just do what your comfortable doing and gain your confidence back?
Im not saying anyone is wrong, im just speculating and perhaps that makes some sense of it and if so it does not indict Fiz as being an idiot as some suggest. This guy won chips as assistant in Miami. He has seen it and been a part of it.

Sometimes you have to coach to what you got. I know its the NBA and should be more ready. Frank was drafted by one regime and coach and now has his second in two seasons. Knox has had gone from High school, then Calipari and now Fiz. That's a lot of change. if Knox or drafted on SAS they'd sit for a year or two.

Do you think in High School they tell the kids to find themselves? Hell no the coach has a tight grip on schemes and style of play. What Fiz is doing is creating very bad habits. They become harder and harder to break away from once the become ingrained. Melo is probably the prime example of unable to adjust his game. This is going to happen to these young players. They need to be told what and how.

And FIZ said this himself, he specifically stated that these young guys are developing bad habits and they will be hard to break, and he has said this more than once or twice..IMO it was a shot a management

When he said I'm just going to let frank be frank and do whatever he is comfortable doing, In other words, im done trying to teach him how to be something he doesn't want to be, and i feel JH felt the same way..

Frank will not be comfortable without a system.

arkrud wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t think anyone here realize that the Knicks are running a shut show. If your going to lose lose but do it trying to learn something. They aren’t learning defense they aren’t learning offensive execution. Youth movement doesn’t have to mean lose and lose some more they have to have a learning curve. Can anyone honestly say this group is learning team basketball?

I agree. What I question is not what we think they should be learning, but when? Also while we think its perfectly logical to think they should, perhaps they are on a different task?
I remember when MDA kinda thru in the towel and "Dumbed down" the defense. They could not do it. Since the roster was in such a state of flux it might not have made sense to do it.
Maybe Fiz is trying to just get Mudiay and frank to "Be themselves" then build on it. Some games we see frank be very aggressive on offense and not really care about missing shots. once he can gain some confidence in that, then let him build on that but bring back his unselfish game. Trier looks like he does not a green light when ever. Knox is still very young and his future is as a scorer. Let him acclimate to that at this level then bring in "team concepts". This is not SAS or any established team.
For that matter what will we ask of KP? Go out and just do what your comfortable doing and gain your confidence back?
Im not saying anyone is wrong, im just speculating and perhaps that makes some sense of it and if so it does not indict Fiz as being an idiot as some suggest. This guy won chips as assistant in Miami. He has seen it and been a part of it.

Sometimes you have to coach to what you got. I know its the NBA and should be more ready. Frank was drafted by one regime and coach and now has his second in two seasons. Knox has had gone from High school, then Calipari and now Fiz. That's a lot of change. if Knox or drafted on SAS they'd sit for a year or two.

Do you think in High School they tell the kids to find themselves? Hell no the coach has a tight grip on schemes and style of play. What Fiz is doing is creating very bad habits. They become harder and harder to break away from once the become ingrained. Melo is probably the prime example of unable to adjust his game. This is going to happen to these young players. They need to be told what and how.

And FIZ said this himself, he specifically stated that these young guys are developing bad habits and they will be hard to break, and he has said this more than once or twice..IMO it was a shot a management

When he said I'm just going to let frank be frank and do whatever he is comfortable doing, In other words, im done trying to teach him how to be something he doesn't want to be, and i feel JH felt the same way..

Frank will not be comfortable without a system.

There is no system without the parts.
How you can plug 5 players in the system that should have 9-10?
Development is one task but improving the roster is another.
So as a coach you need to build a value of your trade assets.
After trade deadline we will see majority of minutes given to those who slated to stay.
The rest of the dudes who will not be traded/release/bought-out will fill the void and cover for injured or tired legs.
Losing will became blowouts. And this is all great.

Unfortunately we don't build value, we decrease it.

even THJ had more value when he got here, but we gave him a stupid contract, then overwhelmed him in a role not suitable for him..

Couldn't turn Gomez into nothing more than a late 2nd round pick from Charlotte, Not to say that was really bad, but after the summer he had teams were asking was he available.with KP, NOAH, koq, and beasly, it was stupid not to take the trade, instead you waited until he requested a trade, lowering his value

Did baker's value rise, or KOQ, or lee, or noah, or AA, or Dwill..

This FO is slow, like training day slow..

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t think anyone here realize that the Knicks are running a shut show. If your going to lose lose but do it trying to learn something. They aren’t learning defense they aren’t learning offensive execution. Youth movement doesn’t have to mean lose and lose some more they have to have a learning curve. Can anyone honestly say this group is learning team basketball?

I agree. What I question is not what we think they should be learning, but when? Also while we think its perfectly logical to think they should, perhaps they are on a different task?
I remember when MDA kinda thru in the towel and "Dumbed down" the defense. They could not do it. Since the roster was in such a state of flux it might not have made sense to do it.
Maybe Fiz is trying to just get Mudiay and frank to "Be themselves" then build on it. Some games we see frank be very aggressive on offense and not really care about missing shots. once he can gain some confidence in that, then let him build on that but bring back his unselfish game. Trier looks like he does not a green light when ever. Knox is still very young and his future is as a scorer. Let him acclimate to that at this level then bring in "team concepts". This is not SAS or any established team.
For that matter what will we ask of KP? Go out and just do what your comfortable doing and gain your confidence back?
Im not saying anyone is wrong, im just speculating and perhaps that makes some sense of it and if so it does not indict Fiz as being an idiot as some suggest. This guy won chips as assistant in Miami. He has seen it and been a part of it.

Sometimes you have to coach to what you got. I know its the NBA and should be more ready. Frank was drafted by one regime and coach and now has his second in two seasons. Knox has had gone from High school, then Calipari and now Fiz. That's a lot of change. if Knox or drafted on SAS they'd sit for a year or two.

Do you think in High School they tell the kids to find themselves? Hell no the coach has a tight grip on schemes and style of play. What Fiz is doing is creating very bad habits. They become harder and harder to break away from once the become ingrained. Melo is probably the prime example of unable to adjust his game. This is going to happen to these young players. They need to be told what and how.

And FIZ said this himself, he specifically stated that these young guys are developing bad habits and they will be hard to break, and he has said this more than once or twice..IMO it was a shot a management

When he said I'm just going to let frank be frank and do whatever he is comfortable doing, In other words, im done trying to teach him how to be something he doesn't want to be, and i feel JH felt the same way..

Frank will not be comfortable without a system.

There is no system without the parts.
How you can plug 5 players in the system that should have 9-10?
Development is one task but improving the roster is another.
So as a coach you need to build a value of your trade assets.
After trade deadline we will see majority of minutes given to those who slated to stay.
The rest of the dudes who will not be traded/release/bought-out will fill the void and cover for injured or tired legs.
Losing will became blowouts. And this is all great.

Unfortunately we don't build value, we decrease it.

even THJ had more value when he got here, but we gave him a stupid contract, then overwhelmed him in a role not suitable for him..

Couldn't turn Gomez into nothing more than a late 2nd round pick from Charlotte, Not to say that was really bad, but after the summer he had teams were asking was he available.with KP, NOAH, koq, and beasly, it was stupid not to take the trade, instead you waited until he requested a trade, lowering his value

Did baker's value rise, or KOQ, or lee, or noah, or AA, or Dwill..

This FO is slow, like training day slow..

It is good that they are slow.
We saw a lot of "fast thinkers" over last 20 years.
Better be slow that stupid.

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t think anyone here realize that the Knicks are running a shut show. If your going to lose lose but do it trying to learn something. They aren’t learning defense they aren’t learning offensive execution. Youth movement doesn’t have to mean lose and lose some more they have to have a learning curve. Can anyone honestly say this group is learning team basketball?

I agree. What I question is not what we think they should be learning, but when? Also while we think its perfectly logical to think they should, perhaps they are on a different task?
I remember when MDA kinda thru in the towel and "Dumbed down" the defense. They could not do it. Since the roster was in such a state of flux it might not have made sense to do it.
Maybe Fiz is trying to just get Mudiay and frank to "Be themselves" then build on it. Some games we see frank be very aggressive on offense and not really care about missing shots. once he can gain some confidence in that, then let him build on that but bring back his unselfish game. Trier looks like he does not a green light when ever. Knox is still very young and his future is as a scorer. Let him acclimate to that at this level then bring in "team concepts". This is not SAS or any established team.
For that matter what will we ask of KP? Go out and just do what your comfortable doing and gain your confidence back?
Im not saying anyone is wrong, im just speculating and perhaps that makes some sense of it and if so it does not indict Fiz as being an idiot as some suggest. This guy won chips as assistant in Miami. He has seen it and been a part of it.

Sometimes you have to coach to what you got. I know its the NBA and should be more ready. Frank was drafted by one regime and coach and now has his second in two seasons. Knox has had gone from High school, then Calipari and now Fiz. That's a lot of change. if Knox or drafted on SAS they'd sit for a year or two.

Do you think in High School they tell the kids to find themselves? Hell no the coach has a tight grip on schemes and style of play. What Fiz is doing is creating very bad habits. They become harder and harder to break away from once the become ingrained. Melo is probably the prime example of unable to adjust his game. This is going to happen to these young players. They need to be told what and how.

And FIZ said this himself, he specifically stated that these young guys are developing bad habits and they will be hard to break, and he has said this more than once or twice..IMO it was a shot a management

When he said I'm just going to let frank be frank and do whatever he is comfortable doing, In other words, im done trying to teach him how to be something he doesn't want to be, and i feel JH felt the same way..

Frank will not be comfortable without a system.

There is no system without the parts.
How you can plug 5 players in the system that should have 9-10?
Development is one task but improving the roster is another.
So as a coach you need to build a value of your trade assets.
After trade deadline we will see majority of minutes given to those who slated to stay.
The rest of the dudes who will not be traded/release/bought-out will fill the void and cover for injured or tired legs.
Losing will became blowouts. And this is all great.

Unfortunately we don't build value, we decrease it.

even THJ had more value when he got here, but we gave him a stupid contract, then overwhelmed him in a role not suitable for him..

Couldn't turn Gomez into nothing more than a late 2nd round pick from Charlotte, Not to say that was really bad, but after the summer he had teams were asking was he available.with KP, NOAH, koq, and beasly, it was stupid not to take the trade, instead you waited until he requested a trade, lowering his value

Did baker's value rise, or KOQ, or lee, or noah, or AA, or Dwill..

This FO is slow, like training day slow..

It is good that they are slow.
We saw a lot of "fast thinkers" over last 20 years.
Better be slow that stupid.

How is this draft route panning out, we have 10 wins, no game changers on the roster, no one is really getting better and we haven't traded a 1st round pick since 2013..Nothing rock solid with KP, Frank, dotson, trier, mitch, knox...Thats six draft picks.

You know the problem with some of you, you press the reset button every off season, and you know why you do that, because either the roster, coach, or president is new, and then you preach the patience BS.

You guys accept the losing because your so fixated on the draft, NEVER MIND THAT THE LOSING IS BRINGING MAJOR CHANGES EVERY OFF SEASON that kills continuity

We kept 75% of the roster, same GM, same president from last season, and we have gotten worse by a mile, mills(FA SPENDING) has netted us Mario and THJ, and no ones really looking at them as a part of the future.. A yr after his signing he's on everyone's trade proposals...and now your looking forward to his next FA signing as if you were impress with the previous

Somebody said they like the moves mills is making..What fkng moves is he making, signing "yes men like perry and handcuffing him, or maybe you enjoy the selfish brain dead G league roster that needs a minimum of 4yrs to make a slight difference

Mix up your fckng roster with a balance of youth and blue chip vets...NOW

This ass hole hasn't landed a top tier FA since he's gotten here 5+ yrs ago , As GM, or PREZ..He hasn't made any block buster trades, and hasn't leveled up a single position on the roster....GET FCKNG REAL...I HAVE NO LOVE FOR MILLS AND IT ALL STARTED WHEN HE SIGNED JR SMITHS BROTHER.

He's a fck boy with ulteria motives, like being a princeton alumni with a president title...what does he know about building a NBA championship team...where in his past has he shown you he is capable of anything but the spinning wheels BS he's showing you...

Please someone tell me something that this guy has done that gives you hope, the roster is total trash

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t think anyone here realize that the Knicks are running a shut show. If your going to lose lose but do it trying to learn something. They aren’t learning defense they aren’t learning offensive execution. Youth movement doesn’t have to mean lose and lose some more they have to have a learning curve. Can anyone honestly say this group is learning team basketball?

I agree. What I question is not what we think they should be learning, but when? Also while we think its perfectly logical to think they should, perhaps they are on a different task?
I remember when MDA kinda thru in the towel and "Dumbed down" the defense. They could not do it. Since the roster was in such a state of flux it might not have made sense to do it.
Maybe Fiz is trying to just get Mudiay and frank to "Be themselves" then build on it. Some games we see frank be very aggressive on offense and not really care about missing shots. once he can gain some confidence in that, then let him build on that but bring back his unselfish game. Trier looks like he does not a green light when ever. Knox is still very young and his future is as a scorer. Let him acclimate to that at this level then bring in "team concepts". This is not SAS or any established team.
For that matter what will we ask of KP? Go out and just do what your comfortable doing and gain your confidence back?
Im not saying anyone is wrong, im just speculating and perhaps that makes some sense of it and if so it does not indict Fiz as being an idiot as some suggest. This guy won chips as assistant in Miami. He has seen it and been a part of it.

Sometimes you have to coach to what you got. I know its the NBA and should be more ready. Frank was drafted by one regime and coach and now has his second in two seasons. Knox has had gone from High school, then Calipari and now Fiz. That's a lot of change. if Knox or drafted on SAS they'd sit for a year or two.

Do you think in High School they tell the kids to find themselves? Hell no the coach has a tight grip on schemes and style of play. What Fiz is doing is creating very bad habits. They become harder and harder to break away from once the become ingrained. Melo is probably the prime example of unable to adjust his game. This is going to happen to these young players. They need to be told what and how.

And FIZ said this himself, he specifically stated that these young guys are developing bad habits and they will be hard to break, and he has said this more than once or twice..IMO it was a shot a management

When he said I'm just going to let frank be frank and do whatever he is comfortable doing, In other words, im done trying to teach him how to be something he doesn't want to be, and i feel JH felt the same way..

Frank will not be comfortable without a system.

There is no system without the parts.
How you can plug 5 players in the system that should have 9-10?
Development is one task but improving the roster is another.
So as a coach you need to build a value of your trade assets.
After trade deadline we will see majority of minutes given to those who slated to stay.
The rest of the dudes who will not be traded/release/bought-out will fill the void and cover for injured or tired legs.
Losing will became blowouts. And this is all great.

Unfortunately we don't build value, we decrease it.

even THJ had more value when he got here, but we gave him a stupid contract, then overwhelmed him in a role not suitable for him..

Couldn't turn Gomez into nothing more than a late 2nd round pick from Charlotte, Not to say that was really bad, but after the summer he had teams were asking was he available.with KP, NOAH, koq, and beasly, it was stupid not to take the trade, instead you waited until he requested a trade, lowering his value

Did baker's value rise, or KOQ, or lee, or noah, or AA, or Dwill..

This FO is slow, like training day slow..

Knicks got two picks for Hernangomez. Tim was playing well prior to the plantar fascia issue. Since having it he has stopped driving which was an effective part of his game. KOQ barely plays for Indy. Lee had a great year last year. His age and contract are what compromise his trade value. Not sure where your going with Baker. He was never going to play up to the level of his contract. Noah turned out to be @ss but was identified as a huge over pay immediately. None of the guys you mentioned were given deals under Perry. Phil is gone. His mistakes are his. Mills has been better with Perry in place.

Tim was playing well last yr before he got hurt, is that going to be his M O, Knicks could of had Kyrie for Gomez, franks and a 1st rounder..Thats before they sunk their value

They went and had a TOWN HALL meet and greet and stated we wont trade for players who we can get as FA...OH YEAH, OK, your track record says otherwise

Perry is on a string dude..AKA puppet just like mills was under phil..He distinctively said in the press introduction that perry will bring ideas to him and he will have the final say...did you see any other NBA owner looking to hire MILLS at any point in his life....HE SUCKS CRUSH, HE'd a dolan boy like I T..

He couldn't even get Lamarcus Aldridge, or convince PHIL of anything other than NOAH

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t think anyone here realize that the Knicks are running a shut show. If your going to lose lose but do it trying to learn something. They aren’t learning defense they aren’t learning offensive execution. Youth movement doesn’t have to mean lose and lose some more they have to have a learning curve. Can anyone honestly say this group is learning team basketball?

I agree. What I question is not what we think they should be learning, but when? Also while we think its perfectly logical to think they should, perhaps they are on a different task?
I remember when MDA kinda thru in the towel and "Dumbed down" the defense. They could not do it. Since the roster was in such a state of flux it might not have made sense to do it.
Maybe Fiz is trying to just get Mudiay and frank to "Be themselves" then build on it. Some games we see frank be very aggressive on offense and not really care about missing shots. once he can gain some confidence in that, then let him build on that but bring back his unselfish game. Trier looks like he does not a green light when ever. Knox is still very young and his future is as a scorer. Let him acclimate to that at this level then bring in "team concepts". This is not SAS or any established team.
For that matter what will we ask of KP? Go out and just do what your comfortable doing and gain your confidence back?
Im not saying anyone is wrong, im just speculating and perhaps that makes some sense of it and if so it does not indict Fiz as being an idiot as some suggest. This guy won chips as assistant in Miami. He has seen it and been a part of it.

Sometimes you have to coach to what you got. I know its the NBA and should be more ready. Frank was drafted by one regime and coach and now has his second in two seasons. Knox has had gone from High school, then Calipari and now Fiz. That's a lot of change. if Knox or drafted on SAS they'd sit for a year or two.

Do you think in High School they tell the kids to find themselves? Hell no the coach has a tight grip on schemes and style of play. What Fiz is doing is creating very bad habits. They become harder and harder to break away from once the become ingrained. Melo is probably the prime example of unable to adjust his game. This is going to happen to these young players. They need to be told what and how.

And FIZ said this himself, he specifically stated that these young guys are developing bad habits and they will be hard to break, and he has said this more than once or twice..IMO it was a shot a management

When he said I'm just going to let frank be frank and do whatever he is comfortable doing, In other words, im done trying to teach him how to be something he doesn't want to be, and i feel JH felt the same way..

Frank will not be comfortable without a system.

There is no system without the parts.
How you can plug 5 players in the system that should have 9-10?
Development is one task but improving the roster is another.
So as a coach you need to build a value of your trade assets.
After trade deadline we will see majority of minutes given to those who slated to stay.
The rest of the dudes who will not be traded/release/bought-out will fill the void and cover for injured or tired legs.
Losing will became blowouts. And this is all great.

Unfortunately we don't build value, we decrease it.

even THJ had more value when he got here, but we gave him a stupid contract, then overwhelmed him in a role not suitable for him..

Couldn't turn Gomez into nothing more than a late 2nd round pick from Charlotte, Not to say that was really bad, but after the summer he had teams were asking was he available.with KP, NOAH, koq, and beasly, it was stupid not to take the trade, instead you waited until he requested a trade, lowering his value

Did baker's value rise, or KOQ, or lee, or noah, or AA, or Dwill..

This FO is slow, like training day slow..

It is good that they are slow.
We saw a lot of "fast thinkers" over last 20 years.
Better be slow that stupid.

How is this draft route panning out, we have 10 wins, no game changers on the roster, no one is really getting better and we haven't traded a 1st round pick since 2013..Nothing rock solid with KP, Frank, dotson, trier, mitch, knox...Thats six draft picks.

You know the problem with some of you, you press the reset button every off season, and you know why you do that, because either the roster, coach, or president is new, and then you preach the patience BS.

You guys accept the losing because your so fixated on the draft, NEVER MIND THAT THE LOSING IS BRINGING MAJOR CHANGES EVERY OFF SEASON that kills continuity

We kept 75% of the roster, same GM, same president from last season, and we have gotten worse by a mile, mills(FA SPENDING) has netted us Mario and THJ, and no ones really looking at them as a part of the future.. A yr after his signing he's on everyone's trade proposals...and now your looking forward to his next FA signing as if you were impress with the previous

Somebody said they like the moves mills is making..What fkng moves is he making, signing "yes men like perry and handcuffing him, or maybe you enjoy the selfish brain dead G league roster that needs a minimum of 4yrs to make a slight difference

Mix up your fckng roster with a balance of youth and blue chip vets...NOW

This ass hole hasn't landed a top tier FA since he's gotten here 5+ yrs ago , As GM, or PREZ..He hasn't made any block buster trades, and hasn't leveled up a single position on the roster....GET FCKNG REAL...I HAVE NO LOVE FOR MILLS AND IT ALL STARTED WHEN HE SIGNED JR SMITHS BROTHER.

He's a fck boy with ulteria motives, like being a princeton alumni with a president title...what does he know about building a NBA championship team...where in his past has he shown you he is capable of anything but the spinning wheels BS he's showing you...

Please someone tell me something that this guy has done that gives you hope, the roster is total trash

The fact that FO did not do anything stupid for so long gives me a lot of hope.
10 games is what doctor ordered with this kind of top loaded draft.
And this is not reset that we used for 18 years to suck badly year after year but real rebuild.
Ant it takes many years.
So if you need team to have more wins that loses to root for you should seriously consider to get of the Knicks bandwagon for 2-3 years.
Then come back and enjoy the fruits of it. We however will enjoy it now and later and forever.
If you want to be miserable and depressed it's up to you zo... Rainman..

BigRedDog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t think anyone here realize that the Knicks are running a shut show. If your going to lose lose but do it trying to learn something. They aren’t learning defense they aren’t learning offensive execution. Youth movement doesn’t have to mean lose and lose some more they have to have a learning curve. Can anyone honestly say this group is learning team basketball?

I agree. What I question is not what we think they should be learning, but when? Also while we think its perfectly logical to think they should, perhaps they are on a different task?
I remember when MDA kinda thru in the towel and "Dumbed down" the defense. They could not do it. Since the roster was in such a state of flux it might not have made sense to do it.
Maybe Fiz is trying to just get Mudiay and frank to "Be themselves" then build on it. Some games we see frank be very aggressive on offense and not really care about missing shots. once he can gain some confidence in that, then let him build on that but bring back his unselfish game. Trier looks like he does not a green light when ever. Knox is still very young and his future is as a scorer. Let him acclimate to that at this level then bring in "team concepts". This is not SAS or any established team.
For that matter what will we ask of KP? Go out and just do what your comfortable doing and gain your confidence back?
Im not saying anyone is wrong, im just speculating and perhaps that makes some sense of it and if so it does not indict Fiz as being an idiot as some suggest. This guy won chips as assistant in Miami. He has seen it and been a part of it.

Sometimes you have to coach to what you got. I know its the NBA and should be more ready. Frank was drafted by one regime and coach and now has his second in two seasons. Knox has had gone from High school, then Calipari and now Fiz. That's a lot of change. if Knox or drafted on SAS they'd sit for a year or two.

Do you think in High School they tell the kids to find themselves? Hell no the coach has a tight grip on schemes and style of play. What Fiz is doing is creating very bad habits. They become harder and harder to break away from once the become ingrained. Melo is probably the prime example of unable to adjust his game. This is going to happen to these young players. They need to be told what and how.

And FIZ said this himself, he specifically stated that these young guys are developing bad habits and they will be hard to break, and he has said this more than once or twice..IMO it was a shot a management

When he said I'm just going to let frank be frank and do whatever he is comfortable doing, In other words, im done trying to teach him how to be something he doesn't want to be, and i feel JH felt the same way..

Frank will not be comfortable without a system.

There is no system without the parts.
How you can plug 5 players in the system that should have 9-10?
Development is one task but improving the roster is another.
So as a coach you need to build a value of your trade assets.
After trade deadline we will see majority of minutes given to those who slated to stay.
The rest of the dudes who will not be traded/release/bought-out will fill the void and cover for injured or tired legs.
Losing will became blowouts. And this is all great.

Unfortunately we don't build value, we decrease it.

even THJ had more value when he got here, but we gave him a stupid contract, then overwhelmed him in a role not suitable for him..

Couldn't turn Gomez into nothing more than a late 2nd round pick from Charlotte, Not to say that was really bad, but after the summer he had teams were asking was he available.with KP, NOAH, koq, and beasly, it was stupid not to take the trade, instead you waited until he requested a trade, lowering his value

Did baker's value rise, or KOQ, or lee, or noah, or AA, or Dwill..

This FO is slow, like training day slow..

It is good that they are slow.
We saw a lot of "fast thinkers" over last 20 years.
Better be slow that stupid.

How is this draft route panning out, we have 10 wins, no game changers on the roster, no one is really getting better and we haven't traded a 1st round pick since 2013..Nothing rock solid with KP, Frank, dotson, trier, mitch, knox...Thats six draft picks.

You know the problem with some of you, you press the reset button every off season, and you know why you do that, because either the roster, coach, or president is new, and then you preach the patience BS.

You guys accept the losing because your so fixated on the draft, NEVER MIND THAT THE LOSING IS BRINGING MAJOR CHANGES EVERY OFF SEASON that kills continuity

We kept 75% of the roster, same GM, same president from last season, and we have gotten worse by a mile, mills(FA SPENDING) has netted us Mario and THJ, and no ones really looking at them as a part of the future.. A yr after his signing he's on everyone's trade proposals...and now your looking forward to his next FA signing as if you were impress with the previous

Somebody said they like the moves mills is making..What fkng moves is he making, signing "yes men like perry and handcuffing him, or maybe you enjoy the selfish brain dead G league roster that needs a minimum of 4yrs to make a slight difference

Mix up your fckng roster with a balance of youth and blue chip vets...NOW

This ass hole hasn't landed a top tier FA since he's gotten here 5+ yrs ago , As GM, or PREZ..He hasn't made any block buster trades, and hasn't leveled up a single position on the roster....GET FCKNG REAL...I HAVE NO LOVE FOR MILLS AND IT ALL STARTED WHEN HE SIGNED JR SMITHS BROTHER.

He's a fck boy with ulteria motives, like being a princeton alumni with a president title...what does he know about building a NBA championship team...where in his past has he shown you he is capable of anything but the spinning wheels BS he's showing you...

Please someone tell me something that this guy has done that gives you hope, the roster is total trash

Brainiac we didn't have a 1st rnd pick in 2014 or 2016. Get the facts straight please.

I see your slow too, (the 2014th pick was from the melo trade that happen in 2011, and the bargian trade which took our 2016 pick happen in 2013)

so the last time we traded a first rnd pick was 6 yrs ago..so in the last 6 yrs we missed 2 draft picks

That 2014 draft WE GAVE DENVER in one of the worse drafts class in a decade(the wiggins draft) turned out to be #11..DOUG MCDERMOTT, GUESS WHERE HE WOULD EVENTUALLY GO....lol they actually traded one up to get him and gave our pick to orlando

Oh and the 2016 draft (the ben simmons dfart) 9 Jakob Pöltl C Austria Toronto Raptors (from Denver via New York)[C]

the best playrs after him was levert(on the nets) prince(on the hawks)

we would still suck, so those picks were not a big deal as you would like to believe

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t think anyone here realize that the Knicks are running a shut show. If your going to lose lose but do it trying to learn something. They aren’t learning defense they aren’t learning offensive execution. Youth movement doesn’t have to mean lose and lose some more they have to have a learning curve. Can anyone honestly say this group is learning team basketball?

I agree. What I question is not what we think they should be learning, but when? Also while we think its perfectly logical to think they should, perhaps they are on a different task?
I remember when MDA kinda thru in the towel and "Dumbed down" the defense. They could not do it. Since the roster was in such a state of flux it might not have made sense to do it.
Maybe Fiz is trying to just get Mudiay and frank to "Be themselves" then build on it. Some games we see frank be very aggressive on offense and not really care about missing shots. once he can gain some confidence in that, then let him build on that but bring back his unselfish game. Trier looks like he does not a green light when ever. Knox is still very young and his future is as a scorer. Let him acclimate to that at this level then bring in "team concepts". This is not SAS or any established team.
For that matter what will we ask of KP? Go out and just do what your comfortable doing and gain your confidence back?
Im not saying anyone is wrong, im just speculating and perhaps that makes some sense of it and if so it does not indict Fiz as being an idiot as some suggest. This guy won chips as assistant in Miami. He has seen it and been a part of it.

Sometimes you have to coach to what you got. I know its the NBA and should be more ready. Frank was drafted by one regime and coach and now has his second in two seasons. Knox has had gone from High school, then Calipari and now Fiz. That's a lot of change. if Knox or drafted on SAS they'd sit for a year or two.

Do you think in High School they tell the kids to find themselves? Hell no the coach has a tight grip on schemes and style of play. What Fiz is doing is creating very bad habits. They become harder and harder to break away from once the become ingrained. Melo is probably the prime example of unable to adjust his game. This is going to happen to these young players. They need to be told what and how.

And FIZ said this himself, he specifically stated that these young guys are developing bad habits and they will be hard to break, and he has said this more than once or twice..IMO it was a shot a management

When he said I'm just going to let frank be frank and do whatever he is comfortable doing, In other words, im done trying to teach him how to be something he doesn't want to be, and i feel JH felt the same way..

Frank will not be comfortable without a system.

There is no system without the parts.
How you can plug 5 players in the system that should have 9-10?
Development is one task but improving the roster is another.
So as a coach you need to build a value of your trade assets.
After trade deadline we will see majority of minutes given to those who slated to stay.
The rest of the dudes who will not be traded/release/bought-out will fill the void and cover for injured or tired legs.
Losing will became blowouts. And this is all great.

Unfortunately we don't build value, we decrease it.

even THJ had more value when he got here, but we gave him a stupid contract, then overwhelmed him in a role not suitable for him..

Couldn't turn Gomez into nothing more than a late 2nd round pick from Charlotte, Not to say that was really bad, but after the summer he had teams were asking was he available.with KP, NOAH, koq, and beasly, it was stupid not to take the trade, instead you waited until he requested a trade, lowering his value

Did baker's value rise, or KOQ, or lee, or noah, or AA, or Dwill..

This FO is slow, like training day slow..

It is good that they are slow.
We saw a lot of "fast thinkers" over last 20 years.
Better be slow that stupid.

How is this draft route panning out, we have 10 wins, no game changers on the roster, no one is really getting better and we haven't traded a 1st round pick since 2013..Nothing rock solid with KP, Frank, dotson, trier, mitch, knox...Thats six draft picks.

You know the problem with some of you, you press the reset button every off season, and you know why you do that, because either the roster, coach, or president is new, and then you preach the patience BS.

You guys accept the losing because your so fixated on the draft, NEVER MIND THAT THE LOSING IS BRINGING MAJOR CHANGES EVERY OFF SEASON that kills continuity

We kept 75% of the roster, same GM, same president from last season, and we have gotten worse by a mile, mills(FA SPENDING) has netted us Mario and THJ, and no ones really looking at them as a part of the future.. A yr after his signing he's on everyone's trade proposals...and now your looking forward to his next FA signing as if you were impress with the previous

Somebody said they like the moves mills is making..What fkng moves is he making, signing "yes men like perry and handcuffing him, or maybe you enjoy the selfish brain dead G league roster that needs a minimum of 4yrs to make a slight difference

Mix up your fckng roster with a balance of youth and blue chip vets...NOW

This ass hole hasn't landed a top tier FA since he's gotten here 5+ yrs ago , As GM, or PREZ..He hasn't made any block buster trades, and hasn't leveled up a single position on the roster....GET FCKNG REAL...I HAVE NO LOVE FOR MILLS AND IT ALL STARTED WHEN HE SIGNED JR SMITHS BROTHER.

He's a fck boy with ulteria motives, like being a princeton alumni with a president title...what does he know about building a NBA championship team...where in his past has he shown you he is capable of anything but the spinning wheels BS he's showing you...

Please someone tell me something that this guy has done that gives you hope, the roster is total trash

Brainiac we didn't have a 1st rnd pick in 2014 or 2016. Get the facts straight please.

I see your slow too, (the 2014th pick was from the melo trade that happen in 2011, and the bargian trade which took our 2016 pick happen in 2013)

so the last time we traded a first rnd pick was 6 yrs ago..so in the last 6 yrs we missed 2 draft picks

That 2014 draft WE GAVE DENVER in one of the worse drafts class in a decade(the wiggins draft) turned out to be #11..DOUG MCDERMOTT, GUESS WHERE HE WOULD EVENTUALLY GO....lol they actually traded one up to get him and gave our pick to orlando

Oh and the 2016 draft (the ben simmons dfart) 9 Jakob Pöltl C Austria Toronto Raptors (from Denver via New York)[C]

the best playrs after him was levert(on the nets) prince(on the hawks)

we would still suck, so those picks were not a big deal as you would like to believe

The problem was not only in trading picks but also drafting not in the lottery because of idiotic owner and shortsighted fans pleasing with 30-35 wins seasons. Who cares if team wins 15 games or 35 games. Team still sucks a..sss. So why not at least get some talent on to look at every game. But no... we need to win some so crybabies will not have mental breakouts.

I'm not talking about winning , cause clearly no one cares about that..

I'm more concern about the progress and the signs of improvement, which you don't see at all

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don’t think anyone here realize that the Knicks are running a shut show. If your going to lose lose but do it trying to learn something. They aren’t learning defense they aren’t learning offensive execution. Youth movement doesn’t have to mean lose and lose some more they have to have a learning curve. Can anyone honestly say this group is learning team basketball?

I agree. What I question is not what we think they should be learning, but when? Also while we think its perfectly logical to think they should, perhaps they are on a different task?
I remember when MDA kinda thru in the towel and "Dumbed down" the defense. They could not do it. Since the roster was in such a state of flux it might not have made sense to do it.
Maybe Fiz is trying to just get Mudiay and frank to "Be themselves" then build on it. Some games we see frank be very aggressive on offense and not really care about missing shots. once he can gain some confidence in that, then let him build on that but bring back his unselfish game. Trier looks like he does not a green light when ever. Knox is still very young and his future is as a scorer. Let him acclimate to that at this level then bring in "team concepts". This is not SAS or any established team.
For that matter what will we ask of KP? Go out and just do what your comfortable doing and gain your confidence back?
Im not saying anyone is wrong, im just speculating and perhaps that makes some sense of it and if so it does not indict Fiz as being an idiot as some suggest. This guy won chips as assistant in Miami. He has seen it and been a part of it.

Sometimes you have to coach to what you got. I know its the NBA and should be more ready. Frank was drafted by one regime and coach and now has his second in two seasons. Knox has had gone from High school, then Calipari and now Fiz. That's a lot of change. if Knox or drafted on SAS they'd sit for a year or two.

Do you think in High School they tell the kids to find themselves? Hell no the coach has a tight grip on schemes and style of play. What Fiz is doing is creating very bad habits. They become harder and harder to break away from once the become ingrained. Melo is probably the prime example of unable to adjust his game. This is going to happen to these young players. They need to be told what and how.

And FIZ said this himself, he specifically stated that these young guys are developing bad habits and they will be hard to break, and he has said this more than once or twice..IMO it was a shot a management

When he said I'm just going to let frank be frank and do whatever he is comfortable doing, In other words, im done trying to teach him how to be something he doesn't want to be, and i feel JH felt the same way..

Frank will not be comfortable without a system.

There is no system without the parts.
How you can plug 5 players in the system that should have 9-10?
Development is one task but improving the roster is another.
So as a coach you need to build a value of your trade assets.
After trade deadline we will see majority of minutes given to those who slated to stay.
The rest of the dudes who will not be traded/release/bought-out will fill the void and cover for injured or tired legs.
Losing will became blowouts. And this is all great.

Unfortunately we don't build value, we decrease it.

even THJ had more value when he got here, but we gave him a stupid contract, then overwhelmed him in a role not suitable for him..

Couldn't turn Gomez into nothing more than a late 2nd round pick from Charlotte, Not to say that was really bad, but after the summer he had teams were asking was he available.with KP, NOAH, koq, and beasly, it was stupid not to take the trade, instead you waited until he requested a trade, lowering his value

Did baker's value rise, or KOQ, or lee, or noah, or AA, or Dwill..

This FO is slow, like training day slow..

It is good that they are slow.
We saw a lot of "fast thinkers" over last 20 years.
Better be slow that stupid.

How is this draft route panning out, we have 10 wins, no game changers on the roster, no one is really getting better and we haven't traded a 1st round pick since 2013..Nothing rock solid with KP, Frank, dotson, trier, mitch, knox...Thats six draft picks.

You know the problem with some of you, you press the reset button every off season, and you know why you do that, because either the roster, coach, or president is new, and then you preach the patience BS.

You guys accept the losing because your so fixated on the draft, NEVER MIND THAT THE LOSING IS BRINGING MAJOR CHANGES EVERY OFF SEASON that kills continuity

We kept 75% of the roster, same GM, same president from last season, and we have gotten worse by a mile, mills(FA SPENDING) has netted us Mario and THJ, and no ones really looking at them as a part of the future.. A yr after his signing he's on everyone's trade proposals...and now your looking forward to his next FA signing as if you were impress with the previous

Somebody said they like the moves mills is making..What fkng moves is he making, signing "yes men like perry and handcuffing him, or maybe you enjoy the selfish brain dead G league roster that needs a minimum of 4yrs to make a slight difference

Mix up your fckng roster with a balance of youth and blue chip vets...NOW

This ass hole hasn't landed a top tier FA since he's gotten here 5+ yrs ago , As GM, or PREZ..He hasn't made any block buster trades, and hasn't leveled up a single position on the roster....GET FCKNG REAL...I HAVE NO LOVE FOR MILLS AND IT ALL STARTED WHEN HE SIGNED JR SMITHS BROTHER.

He's a fck boy with ulteria motives, like being a princeton alumni with a president title...what does he know about building a NBA championship team...where in his past has he shown you he is capable of anything but the spinning wheels BS he's showing you...

Please someone tell me something that this guy has done that gives you hope, the roster is total trash

Brainiac we didn't have a 1st rnd pick in 2014 or 2016. Get the facts straight please.

I see your slow too, (the 2014th pick was from the melo trade that happen in 2011, and the bargian trade which took our 2016 pick happen in 2013)

so the last time we traded a first rnd pick was 6 yrs ago..so in the last 6 yrs we missed 2 draft picks

That 2014 draft WE GAVE DENVER in one of the worse drafts class in a decade(the wiggins draft) turned out to be #11..DOUG MCDERMOTT, GUESS WHERE HE WOULD EVENTUALLY GO....lol they actually traded one up to get him and gave our pick to orlando

Oh and the 2016 draft (the ben simmons dfart) 9 Jakob Pöltl C Austria Toronto Raptors (from Denver via New York)[C]

the best playrs after him was levert(on the nets) prince(on the hawks)

we would still suck, so those picks were not a big deal as you would like to believe

The problem was not only in trading picks but also drafting not in the lottery because of idiotic owner and shortsighted fans pleasing with 30-35 wins seasons. Who cares if team wins 15 games or 35 games. Team still sucks a..sss. So why not at least get some talent on to look at every game. But no... we need to win some so crybabies will not have mental breakouts.

I'm not talking about winning , cause clearly no one cares about that..

I'm more concern about the progress and the signs of improvement, which you don't see at all

Glad we are at the same page on winning importance at this stage of Knicks team development.
Talking about the progress I see a lot of it.
Demolition stage is on the way and progressing great.
Some planning work and blueprints are laid out.
Some materials are getting collected.
So looking good for project done like 10-20%.