Nalod wrote:Who besides fans has said THjr contract is awful? Im not saying I am happy with his play but as I have said many times its not on him to carry the team. I think he would benefit from being on a better team. Dumb statement, what player isn't?

Triple makes a good point and does emphasize "IF". That is a logical scenario.
Nalod offers anyone not named Knox, Frank or KP to dallas with THjr's contract.

TripleThreat wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Why would the Knicks want DSmith Jr? He is not that good. He plays no D and does not pass.

Shipping out Hardaway makes sense and should be done if possible. Dotson and Trier can take over.

Because it might not boil down to actually wanting DSJr.

If and it's a BIG IF, the Knicks assess that they won't resign Frank N after his 4th year, then the worst option tree is letting DSJr walk after his 4th year ( with the upside he might do something more in a change of scenery) PLUS getting out of THJrs unpleasant contract. Versus letting Frank N walk and still having to deal with THJrs contract.

It's less about wanting DSJr ( though there is some prospect fatigue that the front office might work around) and more about their assessment long term of Frank N.

My take is Frank N just doesn't want to be a Knick and is intentionally grinding his game down to a near halt to get traded. He's a Euro player and this is how Euro players show their discontentment to move on.

DSJr has talent upside ( he can play above the rim, quite a bit so) in a raw sense but is sort of a bonehead. He's got a lot of bad seed to him which is why I suspect Dallas wants to move on. Also if Carlisle can't fix you, then you've got too much ******* in you to be fixed. Carlisle found a way to civilize Farouq Aminu without using medieval torture, so that's a feat of coaching there.

The "push" here is how much Carlisle thinks he can get Frank N going. Dallas is rumored to always have liked Frank N.

One consolation is at least DSJr can sometimes get to the rim without falling down.

CrushAlot wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Why would the Knicks want DSmith Jr? He is not that good. He plays no D and does not pass.

Shipping out Hardaway makes sense and should be done if possible. Dotson and Trier can take over.

Because it might not boil down to actually wanting DSJr.

If and it's a BIG IF, the Knicks assess that they won't resign Frank N after his 4th year, then the worst option tree is letting DSJr walk after his 4th year ( with the upside he might do something more in a change of scenery) PLUS getting out of THJrs unpleasant contract. Versus letting Frank N walk and still having to deal with THJrs contract.

It's less about wanting DSJr ( though there is some prospect fatigue that the front office might work around) and more about their assessment long term of Frank N.

My take is Frank N just doesn't want to be a Knick and is intentionally grinding his game down to a near halt to get traded. He's a Euro player and this is how Euro players show their discontentment to move on.

DSJr has talent upside ( he can play above the rim, quite a bit so) in a raw sense but is sort of a bonehead. He's got a lot of bad seed to him which is why I suspect Dallas wants to move on. Also if Carlisle can't fix you, then you've got too much ******* in you to be fixed. Carlisle found a way to civilize Farouq Aminu without using medieval torture, so that's a feat of coaching there.

The "push" here is how much Carlisle thinks he can get Frank N going. Dallas is rumored to always have liked Frank N.

One consolation is at least DSJr can sometimes get to the rim without falling down.

Interesting theory on Frank. I do think he has looked better and more aggressive on offense in recent games. I saw a stat that said he had the most drives to the rim in his nba career against the Sixers on Sunday. Hopefully the Knicks are patient with Frank.

He looked pretty damn good in that 76er game. He was more aggressive and had some great dimes.

KnickDanger wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Why would the Knicks want DSmith Jr? He is not that good. He plays no D and does not pass.

Shipping out Hardaway makes sense and should be done if possible. Dotson and Trier can take over.

Because it might not boil down to actually wanting DSJr.

If and it's a BIG IF, the Knicks assess that they won't resign Frank N after his 4th year, then the worst option tree is letting DSJr walk after his 4th year ( with the upside he might do something more in a change of scenery) PLUS getting out of THJrs unpleasant contract. Versus letting Frank N walk and still having to deal with THJrs contract.

It's less about wanting DSJr ( though there is some prospect fatigue that the front office might work around) and more about their assessment long term of Frank N.

My take is Frank N just doesn't want to be a Knick and is intentionally grinding his game down to a near halt to get traded. He's a Euro player and this is how Euro players show their discontentment to move on.

DSJr has talent upside ( he can play above the rim, quite a bit so) in a raw sense but is sort of a bonehead. He's got a lot of bad seed to him which is why I suspect Dallas wants to move on. Also if Carlisle can't fix you, then you've got too much ******* in you to be fixed. Carlisle found a way to civilize Farouq Aminu without using medieval torture, so that's a feat of coaching there.

The "push" here is how much Carlisle thinks he can get Frank N going. Dallas is rumored to always have liked Frank N.

One consolation is at least DSJr can sometimes get to the rim without falling down.

Frank intentionally sabotaging his game to get off the Knicks! Conspiracy theory of the month!

Triplefraud strikes again!

arkrud wrote:Perry and Fiz does not look to me as a people who easily give up.
So expect Frank to be a Knicks for next season.
This will make it definite on what he is as an NBA player.
Timmy will became expiring after next season and this is a good timing for us.
So I am not sure why anyone will be concern on moving him.
This and next season are meaningless as far as win/loss results so why bother about moving exceptional tank commander?

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arkrud wrote:Perry and Fiz does not look to me as a people who easily give up.
So expect Frank to be a Knicks for next season.
This will make it definite on what he is as an NBA player.
Timmy will became expiring after next season and this is a good timing for us.
So I am not sure why anyone will be concern on moving him.
This and next season are meaningless as far as win/loss results so why bother about moving exceptional tank commander?

We are about 7 mm short of ability to sign Durant. Lets pretend that this is a high probability.
My first choice is to trade Whose deal is smaller and one year beyond this and a sweetner not a pick or anyone named Frank, Kevin or Kris. Might even say IsoZo.
As a fan I don't have the value pegged on Timmy. Seems we feed off each other and in disgust will trde frank because "he I not doing much now anyway". This might make the average or below average fan happy at the moment given we are prone to instant gradification.
While Frank is not what we have hoped thus far I didn't suffer all these years to not trade picks to give up on a kid that really has NBA ability and feel for the game but physically was undeveloped to take on the development. We drafted him and can't undo that. Thus, what is he as an asset in his second season with a second coach at age 20 at this very moment and going forward.