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CrushAlot
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1/11/2019  5:37 PM
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1/11/2019  5:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/11/2019  5:46 PM
CrushAlot wrote:

I think it's been quite noticeable.

Funny as some still say he's an "elite defender" but he also gets beat off the dribble quite a bit.

I hope its a confidence thing as it's quite an interesting drop off.

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1/11/2019  6:04 PM
PresIke wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

I think it's been quite noticeable.

Funny as some still say he's an "elite defender" but he also gets beat off the dribble quite a bit.

I hope its a confidence thing as it's quite an interesting drop off.

There was another tweet about KP being ranked 14th? as a big defending the pick and roll last year so that plays a roll in his ranking. I agree that it his decline has been noticeable.
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1/11/2019  6:04 PM
PresIke wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

I think it's been quite noticeable.

Funny as some still say he's an "elite defender" but he also gets beat off the dribble quite a bit.

I hope its a confidence thing as it's quite an interesting drop off.

Frank is a good defender. He is more a victim of Knicks being tragic. Horny was simply a better coach than Fizdale. Your comparing an actual NBA player turned coach to the shyt show Fizdale is. All the young Knicks are doing is learning bad habits. He can blame free agency or ropa dope some fans but truth is he sucks at coaching.

Pretty soon these young players are going to forget that past systems that brought them to the NBA. Knox will forget Calapari teachings. Frank will lose his team play taught in Euro league and so in and so forth.

To point out Frank when every single Knicks player sucks azz is ridiculous to me. This team isn’t learning anything but how to suck. No system, know nothings that is what Fizz is creating.

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Vmart wrote:
PresIke wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

I think it's been quite noticeable.

Funny as some still say he's an "elite defender" but he also gets beat off the dribble quite a bit.

I hope its a confidence thing as it's quite an interesting drop off.

Frank is a good defender. He is more a victim of Knicks being tragic. Horny was simply a better coach than Fizdale. Your comparing an actual NBA player turned coach to the shyt show Fizdale is. All the young Knicks are doing is learning bad habits. He can blame free agency or ropa dope some fans but truth is he sucks at coaching.

Pretty soon these young players are going to forget that past systems that brought them to the NBA. Knox will forget Calapari teachings. Frank will lose his team play taught in Euro league and so in and so forth.

To point out Frank when every single Knicks player sucks azz is ridiculous to me. This team isn’t learning anything but how to suck. No system, know nothings that is what Fizz is creating.

He creating Zionportunity. The rest is gibberish.

He can teach them to meditate... but no one can control even his own mind...
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1/11/2019  6:26 PM
Vmart wrote:
PresIke wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

I think it's been quite noticeable.

Funny as some still say he's an "elite defender" but he also gets beat off the dribble quite a bit.

I hope its a confidence thing as it's quite an interesting drop off.

Frank is a good defender. He is more a victim of Knicks being tragic. Horny was simply a better coach than Fizdale. Your comparing an actual NBA player turned coach to the shyt show Fizdale is. All the young Knicks are doing is learning bad habits. He can blame free agency or ropa dope some fans but truth is he sucks at coaching.

Pretty soon these young players are going to forget that past systems that brought them to the NBA. Knox will forget Calapari teachings. Frank will lose his team play taught in Euro league and so in and so forth.

To point out Frank when every single Knicks player sucks azz is ridiculous to me. This team isn’t learning anything but how to suck. No system, know nothings that is what Fizz is creating.

If you follow the two guys that created filmschool you would know that they are huge Frank fans. I am having some technology issues and tweets are hard for me to post. The follow up tweet talks about Frank's rating when he was playing at least part of the time with KP and the difference playing with an elite defensive big makes. Fiz is very respected around the league as a coach and developmental guy. He wasn't the guy Phil hired so that might burn a bit but I think he was the right hire.
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1/11/2019  6:32 PM
arkrud wrote:
Vmart wrote:
PresIke wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

I think it's been quite noticeable.

Funny as some still say he's an "elite defender" but he also gets beat off the dribble quite a bit.

I hope its a confidence thing as it's quite an interesting drop off.

Frank is a good defender. He is more a victim of Knicks being tragic. Horny was simply a better coach than Fizdale. Your comparing an actual NBA player turned coach to the shyt show Fizdale is. All the young Knicks are doing is learning bad habits. He can blame free agency or ropa dope some fans but truth is he sucks at coaching.

Pretty soon these young players are going to forget that past systems that brought them to the NBA. Knox will forget Calapari teachings. Frank will lose his team play taught in Euro league and so in and so forth.

To point out Frank when every single Knicks player sucks azz is ridiculous to me. This team isn’t learning anything but how to suck. No system, know nothings that is what Fizz is creating.

He creating Zionportunity. The rest is gibberish.

That might be his best attribute.

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1/11/2019  11:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/11/2019  11:33 PM
Vmart wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Vmart wrote:
PresIke wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

I think it's been quite noticeable.

Funny as some still say he's an "elite defender" but he also gets beat off the dribble quite a bit.

I hope its a confidence thing as it's quite an interesting drop off.

Frank is a good defender. He is more a victim of Knicks being tragic. Horny was simply a better coach than Fizdale. Your comparing an actual NBA player turned coach to the shyt show Fizdale is. All the young Knicks are doing is learning bad habits. He can blame free agency or ropa dope some fans but truth is he sucks at coaching.

Pretty soon these young players are going to forget that past systems that brought them to the NBA. Knox will forget Calapari teachings. Frank will lose his team play taught in Euro league and so in and so forth.

To point out Frank when every single Knicks player sucks azz is ridiculous to me. This team isn’t learning anything but how to suck. No system, know nothings that is what Fizz is creating.

He creating Zionportunity. The rest is gibberish.

That might be his best attribute.

Best attribute of the professional is to do the right things at the right time.
So far I see the right things being done. Not pretty things and may be not honest things.
But to win one need to explore every avenue available.
I will judge Fiz coaching when he will actually have some team to coach.
For now he has a bunch of spare parts to evaluate and put together with the main pieces which are not there yet.
Then we will see what he is made of as a coach.

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1/12/2019  3:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/12/2019  3:25 PM
Without elite pick and roll defense he is literally competing to be the worst player in the nba. Guy is so frustrating he could be a legit rotation player if he could add a 3 point shot to last years defense. Now I wonder if we could of included him in a trade to dump Noah. Saving us cap space maybe where he could of provided his highest value
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1/12/2019  3:56 PM
Vmart wrote:
PresIke wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

I think it's been quite noticeable.

Funny as some still say he's an "elite defender" but he also gets beat off the dribble quite a bit.

I hope its a confidence thing as it's quite an interesting drop off.

Frank is a good defender. He is more a victim of Knicks being tragic. Horny was simply a better coach than Fizdale. Your comparing an actual NBA player turned coach to the shyt show Fizdale is. All the young Knicks are doing is learning bad habits. He can blame free agency or ropa dope some fans but truth is he sucks at coaching.

Pretty soon these young players are going to forget that past systems that brought them to the NBA. Knox will forget Calapari teachings. Frank will lose his team play taught in Euro league and so in and so forth.

To point out Frank when every single Knicks player sucks azz is ridiculous to me. This team isn’t learning anything but how to suck. No system, know nothings that is what Fizz is creating.

I'm starting to sour on Fiz, the more this team plays, the worse they look, there is just no direction on the floor. I can't bare to watch for more than a few minutes. It's the most selfish, clueless, defenseless, leadershipless, pointless piece of sht play i ever seen.

YOU CAN HIRE any joe blow to coach a tank, or any joe blow GM/prez to buyout or waive players/assets.

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1/12/2019  5:10 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
PresIke wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

I think it's been quite noticeable.

Funny as some still say he's an "elite defender" but he also gets beat off the dribble quite a bit.

I hope its a confidence thing as it's quite an interesting drop off.

Frank is a good defender. He is more a victim of Knicks being tragic. Horny was simply a better coach than Fizdale. Your comparing an actual NBA player turned coach to the shyt show Fizdale is. All the young Knicks are doing is learning bad habits. He can blame free agency or ropa dope some fans but truth is he sucks at coaching.

Pretty soon these young players are going to forget that past systems that brought them to the NBA. Knox will forget Calapari teachings. Frank will lose his team play taught in Euro league and so in and so forth.

To point out Frank when every single Knicks player sucks azz is ridiculous to me. This team isn’t learning anything but how to suck. No system, know nothings that is what Fizz is creating.

I'm starting to sour on Fiz, the more this team plays, the worse they look, there is just no direction on the floor. I can't bare to watch for more than a few minutes. It's the most selfish, clueless, defenseless, leadershipless, pointless piece of sht play i ever seen.

YOU CAN HIRE any joe blow to coach a tank, or any joe blow GM/prez to buyout or waive players/assets.


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1/14/2019  12:10 PM
I think a lot of this has to do with tape
and that other teams know they don't have to defend Frank, so the guys Frank guards give more on offense than they may have otherwise
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1/14/2019  1:20 PM
I wonder how much of this data is the the PnR situation involves Kanter.
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1/14/2019  1:27 PM
Fiz is the new default answer when posters don't want to place the blame where it belongs....
“It’s much more about the perception of the organization,” Fizdale said. “What I think we’ve done together with Steve [Mills] and Scott [Perry], Mr. Dolan and myself an
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1/14/2019  1:30 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I wonder how much of this data is the the PnR situation involves Kanter.

what you really mean is, HOW CAN YOU SHIFT THE BLAME TO OTHER PLAYERS as the reason for his suspect play.

The truth of the matter is, these players don't fit with each other, they don't complement each other on either end, so they essentially make each other worse on both ends

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1/14/2019  1:32 PM
Here are some quotes fro Fiz...“We struggle with the concepts right now, we really do, and the biggest one is the weak side of our defense and understanding how to scramble out of coverage, which is typical,” Fizdale said.

“In my conversations with other coaches that have coached similar type teams, that was always their biggest issue, was ball movement, getting them to share the ball and getting them to understand how to defend on the weak side.”

All young teams that lack experience and haven't put in enough time together (it can take years) will struggle with the concepts in bold....But its difficult to see that when your agenda is blinding your vision...

“It’s much more about the perception of the organization,” Fizdale said. “What I think we’ve done together with Steve [Mills] and Scott [Perry], Mr. Dolan and myself an
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1/14/2019  1:36 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I wonder how much of this data is the the PnR situation involves Kanter.

Yes. PnR involves 2 different players from each team, I was thinking the big involved is not KP any more.

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1/14/2019  1:40 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I wonder how much of this data is the the PnR situation involves Kanter.

what you really mean is, HOW CAN YOU SHIFT THE BLAME TO OTHER PLAYERS as the reason for his suspect play.

The truth of the matter is, these players don't fit with each other, they don't complement each other on either end, so they essentially make each other worse on both ends


Naw, I remember seeing somewhere that our best defensive lineups have Frank and Dotson in them. No doubt, Frank's been sub-par, but there's more than meets the eye with this. Could it be Kanter's clueless positioning? A young Mitchell's inexperience? A mixture of both everything? Who knows? At least coach is settling on line-ups. One step at a time, I guess.
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1/14/2019  3:15 PM
Uptown wrote:Here are some quotes fro Fiz...“We struggle with the concepts right now, we really do, and the biggest one is the weak side of our defense and understanding how to scramble out of coverage, which is typical,” Fizdale said.

“In my conversations with other coaches that have coached similar type teams, that was always their biggest issue, was ball movement, getting them to share the ball and getting them to understand how to defend on the weak side.”

All young teams that lack experience and haven't put in enough time together (it can take years) will struggle with the concepts in bold....But its difficult to see that when your agenda is blinding your vision...

which is why nobody but bottom feeders put a roster full of young in experience players together, because they will all look bad. It only takes one guy to miss an assignment, and its a domino effect.

Hopefully The young FO is seeing the problems and will completely dismantle this entire roster.

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1/14/2019  3:16 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I wonder how much of this data is the the PnR situation involves Kanter.

what you really mean is, HOW CAN YOU SHIFT THE BLAME TO OTHER PLAYERS as the reason for his suspect play.

The truth of the matter is, these players don't fit with each other, they don't complement each other on either end, so they essentially make each other worse on both ends


Naw, I remember seeing somewhere that our best defensive lineups have Frank and Dotson in them. No doubt, Frank's been sub-par, but there's more than meets the eye with this. Could it be Kanter's clueless positioning? A young Mitchell's inexperience? A mixture of both everything? Who knows? At least coach is settling on line-ups. One step at a time, I guess.

being best defensive line up, but the worst offensive line up, doesn't solve the problem now does it?

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