I've soured a great deal on him mostly on his behavior and entitlement attitude. If you get a decent player and a first rounder, you take it.

TripleThreat wrote:

Knixkik wrote:NY media just making some noise. If NY tries to short-change him at all, he will just sign a contract for the max with another team that the Knicks will match. I think he returns either way for the full max (no injury exceptions.)

The Knicks should trade him to Boston for Tatum.

Zinger has the more rare/coveted skill set, but also the larger injury risk. Boston has questions up the middle for the future.

If we don't get any injury exceptions written in - I would be concerned. Tatum or Levert? Maybe the Nets will give up a pick as well?

KP is working as hard as possible to come back stronger, with more stamina, lower body strength etc. What more can a team ask for?

I understand the injury clause thing and yes maybe that should be there in any max contract but just saying that with him n Mitch in the middle, the combo would be lethal on D

fwk00 wrote:Trading Porzingis would be the smart thing to do, IMO.

I've soured a great deal on him mostly on his behavior and entitlement attitude. If you get a decent player and a first rounder, you take it.

entitlement???? like where did you get that from.

If anything you trade because he seems injury prone, doesn't rebound or know when to pass.

Phil certainly was asking for the house, farm, the pick up truck, and throw in your wife for good measure, he was pretty much laughed at...

I just hope this doesn't back fire like the ALlan Houston contract, let somebody offer him a max deal and then (150m tops)match it before you out bid yourself.

Not an injury as prevalent as I thought. Few teams actually go to the finals so its a hard filter.
Maybe we should worry about the non injured knee. Even DRose came back!

TripleThreat wrote:

technomaster wrote:Has ANY NBA team won a championship behind a franchise player who had a torn ACL prior to the championship in the past 20 years?

I see your point, and it's a good one.

A more focused alternative question might be what is the attrition rate for pivots in the NBA modern era. Big men in general have a different injury profile than other NBA players. Yao Ming had back problems ( well he had problems all over) Muggsy Bogues? Maybe not so much. But that's an extreme example.

The other issue which is likely harder to quantify is heavy/hard contact rate for Euro players. There is a "Euro Bias" in the league and it wasn't really openly discussed until Darko was drafted. Many players ( better ones to be real about it) were miffed that he was drafted ahead of him and when they got established with "star calls" they simply took turns trying to maul Darko.

Think about the demographic of the average American big man in the NBA. Think about Darko's demographic. It's there, it's just not discussed. Same thing when Derek Fisher just outright starting punching and mauling Jeremy Lin off camera when Lin dropped like nearly 40 points on the Lakers. Fisher understood to do it away from the cameras, but it was there. Stern actually had to stop it. People were just deciding it was time to pummel Lin. Steph Curry gets the same treatment. He's seen as growing up with privilege ( son of an NBA player)

Zinger is going to get hit harder and he needs to hit back harder. This is one thing I can give Kanter credit for, because sometimes players come at him and he's willing to fight.

Darko was an interesting case because some guys decided to take it off the court and then word got out, Darko is/was a ****ing gangster. The guy was like Nino Brown. Sit your five dollar ass down or Darko will make change. I mean some American guys think they are hard. Well Darko will go Keyser Soze on you. So that had to end.

Zinger has a very very very high floor.

Things I would look at in terms of contender level teams

A) Free throw attempt differential across a full season

B) Strength of schedule

C) Conversion rate with five seconds or less on the shot clock

D) Number of top 25 players on your roster at any given point ( then Top 50 as a secondary measure)

Injuries make a difference, but to be fair, it's not like Tommy John in MLB and ACLs in the NFL.

It's a good question though. A thoughtful question.

Good take. In reading about this injury and over the years the players who had them I was surprised it was not as common. Some players in their 30's that have it are cooked. Bernard was so special in how he came back and at that age. But he needed two years to fully return. Jabari Parker would be a good case but his defense is abysmal. Lavine seems to have regained his explosiveness and is the same player he was, but that's another story. Takes time to return, then time to evolve also. KP is and was young so his game was not complete. We don't know what he returns to and then how he evolves so the question will remain for some time.
What he is and potential is a player with size and a skill set that can transcend and evolve what a 5 can be. That's some grand statement but this kid has no ceiling. At the same time his size and the physics of tendons and ligaments will be tested. Just because nobody has done things does not mean it can't be done. Kareem and Wilt were amazing athletes that were durable. KP likely won't be mount rushmore because of this. But Arvydas Sabonis might be a pretty good consolation allstar type talent. We got the adult size version of him with bad back. I can't speak for his passing prowess in his younger days but he was amazing. In part because he could shoot. The Jokic kid is a similar weapon because he can shoot. Good passing bigs. KP is a fundamentally good basketball player with a good feel for the game. He should be able to add more pieces to his game.
But first we need to get him on the floor and keep him there! I'd really like to see him play 20 games with strict time limits and get momentum to the off season.
Im glad he is shut down his online social media stuff. The mystery creates intrigue and perhaps knick fans become fearful.
Fans look at results. If change is to happen there are things that we likely can't see yet. Im not blind in my faith but more hopeful I won't hate on what I can't see.

knicks1248 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:Trading Porzingis would be the smart thing to do, IMO.

I've soured a great deal on him mostly on his behavior and entitlement attitude. If you get a decent player and a first rounder, you take it.

entitlement???? like where did you get that from.

If anything you trade because he seems injury prone, doesn't rebound or know when to pass.

Phil certainly was asking for the house, farm, the pick up truck, and throw in your wife for good measure, he was pretty much laughed at...

I just hope this doesn't back fire like the ALlan Houston contract, let somebody offer him a max deal and then (150m tops)match it before you out bid yourself.

You only trade him because you are super concerned about his rehab process.... and I somehow doubt they are. He’ll never be an awesome rebounder. His passing will be fine. Other than a couple of f’ ups, his attitude seems to be very good. He’s a kid still.. somewhat. F’ ups will happen. LeBron acted like a child with that Decision show, remember.

Allanfan20 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:Trading Porzingis would be the smart thing to do, IMO.

I've soured a great deal on him mostly on his behavior and entitlement attitude. If you get a decent player and a first rounder, you take it.

entitlement???? like where did you get that from.

If anything you trade because he seems injury prone, doesn't rebound or know when to pass.

Phil certainly was asking for the house, farm, the pick up truck, and throw in your wife for good measure, he was pretty much laughed at...

I just hope this doesn't back fire like the ALlan Houston contract, let somebody offer him a max deal and then (150m tops)match it before you out bid yourself.

You only trade him because you are super concerned about his rehab process.... and I somehow doubt they are. He’ll never be an awesome rebounder. His passing will be fine. Other than a couple of f’ ups, his attitude seems to be very good. He’s a kid still.. somewhat. F’ ups will happen. LeBron acted like a child with that Decision show, remember.

Seems like his Brother Janis is the mouth piece and makes the final call