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Nalod
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1/4/2019  6:06 PM
knicks1248 wrote:No player on the roster is sure they will be on the roster next yr other than Knox,(and maybe THJ) no player has a role on this roster other than Mudiay, no player on this roster has stepped up in a leadership role, no player on this roster plays hard for more than a quarter or 2, they all look utterly confused 70% of each game, as if we were running the triangle.

The last time we had a the exact same situation like this, we won 17 games, and we had the same amount of cap space going into the off season, with several big name FA, bypassing the knicks.

Like you guys just seen this whole movie playout just 3 yrs ago and you act has if this FO is doing something different, with the GM then, now the president..


In the 19 months this FO has been running the show, we have literally gotten worse..


We have read your script too.

WE "don't act", we are just rooting that this time change will be effective.
Not quite sure what you're doing? Its like you think your clairvoyant to something we don't know about. Knicks have won 9 games and you "act" we don't know this.
We get you. You blame mills. You need to assign blame to validity your sourness. Have at it. When Frank dunked, it was like he dunked on you too!

You don't show a fool a job half done!
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CrushAlot
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1/4/2019  7:21 PM
knicks1248 wrote:No player on the roster is sure they will be on the roster next yr other than Knox,(and maybe THJ) no player has a role on this roster other than Mudiay, no player on this roster has stepped up in a leadership role, no player on this roster plays hard for more than a quarter or 2, they all look utterly confused 70% of each game, as if we were running the triangle.

The last time we had a the exact same situation like this, we won 17 games, and we had the same amount of cap space going into the off season, with several big name FA, bypassing the knicks.

Like you guys just seen this whole movie playout just 3 yrs ago and you act has if this FO is doing something different, with the GM then, now the president..


In the 19 months this FO has been running the show, we have literally gotten worse..

The year you are talking about the Knicks traded Tyson and Felton for Dalembert (waived), Larkin, the picks that became Early and Thanasis. The prize in that package was an overpaid on the decline Calderon. Then Shump and Jr were traded for Lance and Lou and those guys were both initially waived. Do you see this front office operating like that? Did they trade a second round pick so that they could keep the Kobe stopper? You think that that is the exact same situation as what is happening now?

The first part of being successful is having a guy that actually has worked in a front office and has relationships with other execs, coaches and players. The Knicks didn't have that guy, they had a great coach in a different role. They have that guy now. The next step is to have a vision of how you want to build your team that is shared by management and the coaching staff. The Knicks didn't have that. Fisher wanted to run his practices like they did in OKC utilizing his assistants to do skill and drill in small groups and was not committed to the offense the pres wanted. That management team also did not do a coaching search. They offered the job to one guy and then another when the job was turned down. This management team did an exhaustive coaching and hired the guy seen as the best communicator and best developmental guy available. That group played the high character undrafted vets a lot. This group plays the young players over the vets and is focused on development. This group will be adding a third consecutive lottery pick and has a lot of players on cost controlled contracts. Aside from the records, nothing is the same.

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1/4/2019  8:12 PM
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:No player on the roster is sure they will be on the roster next yr other than Knox,(and maybe THJ) no player has a role on this roster other than Mudiay, no player on this roster has stepped up in a leadership role, no player on this roster plays hard for more than a quarter or 2, they all look utterly confused 70% of each game, as if we were running the triangle.

The last time we had a the exact same situation like this, we won 17 games, and we had the same amount of cap space going into the off season, with several big name FA, bypassing the knicks.

Like you guys just seen this whole movie playout just 3 yrs ago and you act has if this FO is doing something different, with the GM then, now the president..


In the 19 months this FO has been running the show, we have literally gotten worse..


We have read your script too.

WE "don't act", we are just rooting that this time change will be effective.
Not quite sure what you're doing? Its like you think your clairvoyant to something we don't know about. Knicks have won 9 games and you "act" we don't know this.
We get you. You blame mills. You need to assign blame to validity your sourness. Have at it. When Frank dunked, it was like he dunked on you too!

hey we need to soak up all his basketball knowledge...he played junior high basketball after all
knicks1248
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1/4/2019  11:01 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:No player on the roster is sure they will be on the roster next yr other than Knox,(and maybe THJ) no player has a role on this roster other than Mudiay, no player on this roster has stepped up in a leadership role, no player on this roster plays hard for more than a quarter or 2, they all look utterly confused 70% of each game, as if we were running the triangle.

The last time we had a the exact same situation like this, we won 17 games, and we had the same amount of cap space going into the off season, with several big name FA, bypassing the knicks.

Like you guys just seen this whole movie playout just 3 yrs ago and you act has if this FO is doing something different, with the GM then, now the president..


In the 19 months this FO has been running the show, we have literally gotten worse..

The year you are talking about the Knicks traded Tyson and Felton for Dalembert (waived), Larkin, the picks that became Early and Thanasis. The prize in that package was an overpaid on the decline Calderon. Then Shump and Jr were traded for Lance and Lou and those guys were both initially waived. Do you see this front office operating like that? Did they trade a second round pick so that they could keep the Kobe stopper? You think that that is the exact same situation as what is happening now?

The first part of being successful is having a guy that actually has worked in a front office and has relationships with other execs, coaches and players. The Knicks didn't have that guy, they had a great coach in a different role. They have that guy now. The next step is to have a vision of how you want to build your team that is shared by management and the coaching staff. The Knicks didn't have that. Fisher wanted to run his practices like they did in OKC utilizing his assistants to do skill and drill in small groups and was not committed to the offense the pres wanted. That management team also did not do a coaching search. They offered the job to one guy and then another when the job was turned down. This management team did an exhaustive coaching and hired the guy seen as the best communicator and best developmental guy available. That group played the high character undrafted vets a lot. This group plays the young players over the vets and is focused on development. This group will be adding a third consecutive lottery pick and has a lot of players on cost controlled contracts. Aside from the records, nothing is the same.


Mills has been an utter disaster in every FO position he has ever had (the dude is from princeton, a finance and marketing guy)and wouldn't know a good trade if someone smack the sht out of him (if you can prove otherwise please explain) In the 6 yrs he's been associated with this franchise, we have been god awful, he has done nothing at all to put his stamp on this franchise....THE WORST PAET, and I mean the absolute worsT PART, IS THAT THE GUY WHO HIRED HIM "HIS GOOD BUDDY" STATED HE DOESN'T KNOW SHT about running an NBA team, or how to hire the right guy to run it..I mean he said this out of his own mouth..


The only thing mills cares about is Having the TITLE of KNICKS PRESIDENT.. HE WILL NOT BE HERE by the end of 2019..the losing gets everyone fired, it never ever fails..I don't care if Dolan is his buddy, someone will get in his ear.

You can count on one hand the amount of coaches,GMS and presidents that have survive a rebuild, in all sports combine..

you have one down yr, and then you need progress every game, every week, every month, every season..ARE WE SEEING THAT HERE?

ES
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1/4/2019  11:42 PM
Why are you watching @ Knicks1248
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1/6/2019  12:13 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:No player on the roster is sure they will be on the roster next yr other than Knox,(and maybe THJ) no player has a role on this roster other than Mudiay, no player on this roster has stepped up in a leadership role, no player on this roster plays hard for more than a quarter or 2, they all look utterly confused 70% of each game, as if we were running the triangle.

The last time we had a the exact same situation like this, we won 17 games, and we had the same amount of cap space going into the off season, with several big name FA, bypassing the knicks.

Like you guys just seen this whole movie playout just 3 yrs ago and you act has if this FO is doing something different, with the GM then, now the president..


In the 19 months this FO has been running the show, we have literally gotten worse..

The year you are talking about the Knicks traded Tyson and Felton for Dalembert (waived), Larkin, the picks that became Early and Thanasis. The prize in that package was an overpaid on the decline Calderon. Then Shump and Jr were traded for Lance and Lou and those guys were both initially waived. Do you see this front office operating like that? Did they trade a second round pick so that they could keep the Kobe stopper? You think that that is the exact same situation as what is happening now?

The first part of being successful is having a guy that actually has worked in a front office and has relationships with other execs, coaches and players. The Knicks didn't have that guy, they had a great coach in a different role. They have that guy now. The next step is to have a vision of how you want to build your team that is shared by management and the coaching staff. The Knicks didn't have that. Fisher wanted to run his practices like they did in OKC utilizing his assistants to do skill and drill in small groups and was not committed to the offense the pres wanted. That management team also did not do a coaching search. They offered the job to one guy and then another when the job was turned down. This management team did an exhaustive coaching and hired the guy seen as the best communicator and best developmental guy available. That group played the high character undrafted vets a lot. This group plays the young players over the vets and is focused on development. This group will be adding a third consecutive lottery pick and has a lot of players on cost controlled contracts. Aside from the records, nothing is the same.


Mills has been an utter disaster in every FO position he has ever had (the dude is from princeton, a finance and marketing guy)and wouldn't know a good trade if someone smack the sht out of him (if you can prove otherwise please explain) In the 6 yrs he's been associated with this franchise, we have been god awful, he has done nothing at all to put his stamp on this franchise....THE WORST PAET, and I mean the absolute worsT PART, IS THAT THE GUY WHO HIRED HIM "HIS GOOD BUDDY" STATED HE DOESN'T KNOW SHT about running an NBA team, or how to hire the right guy to run it..I mean he said this out of his own mouth..


The only thing mills cares about is Having the TITLE of KNICKS PRESIDENT.. HE WILL NOT BE HERE by the end of 2019..the losing gets everyone fired, it never ever fails..I don't care if Dolan is his buddy, someone will get in his ear.

You can count on one hand the amount of coaches,GMS and presidents that have survive a rebuild, in all sports combine..

you have one down yr, and then you need progress every game, every week, every month, every season..ARE WE SEEING THAT HERE?

Dude you are clueless. Don't you see people are making fun of you?
Why you expose yourself like this?

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
knicks1248
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1/9/2019  8:49 AM
arkrud wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:No player on the roster is sure they will be on the roster next yr other than Knox,(and maybe THJ) no player has a role on this roster other than Mudiay, no player on this roster has stepped up in a leadership role, no player on this roster plays hard for more than a quarter or 2, they all look utterly confused 70% of each game, as if we were running the triangle.

The last time we had a the exact same situation like this, we won 17 games, and we had the same amount of cap space going into the off season, with several big name FA, bypassing the knicks.

Like you guys just seen this whole movie playout just 3 yrs ago and you act has if this FO is doing something different, with the GM then, now the president..


In the 19 months this FO has been running the show, we have literally gotten worse..

The year you are talking about the Knicks traded Tyson and Felton for Dalembert (waived), Larkin, the picks that became Early and Thanasis. The prize in that package was an overpaid on the decline Calderon. Then Shump and Jr were traded for Lance and Lou and those guys were both initially waived. Do you see this front office operating like that? Did they trade a second round pick so that they could keep the Kobe stopper? You think that that is the exact same situation as what is happening now?

The first part of being successful is having a guy that actually has worked in a front office and has relationships with other execs, coaches and players. The Knicks didn't have that guy, they had a great coach in a different role. They have that guy now. The next step is to have a vision of how you want to build your team that is shared by management and the coaching staff. The Knicks didn't have that. Fisher wanted to run his practices like they did in OKC utilizing his assistants to do skill and drill in small groups and was not committed to the offense the pres wanted. That management team also did not do a coaching search. They offered the job to one guy and then another when the job was turned down. This management team did an exhaustive coaching and hired the guy seen as the best communicator and best developmental guy available. That group played the high character undrafted vets a lot. This group plays the young players over the vets and is focused on development. This group will be adding a third consecutive lottery pick and has a lot of players on cost controlled contracts. Aside from the records, nothing is the same.


Mills has been an utter disaster in every FO position he has ever had (the dude is from princeton, a finance and marketing guy)and wouldn't know a good trade if someone smack the sht out of him (if you can prove otherwise please explain) In the 6 yrs he's been associated with this franchise, we have been god awful, he has done nothing at all to put his stamp on this franchise....THE WORST PAET, and I mean the absolute worsT PART, IS THAT THE GUY WHO HIRED HIM "HIS GOOD BUDDY" STATED HE DOESN'T KNOW SHT about running an NBA team, or how to hire the right guy to run it..I mean he said this out of his own mouth..


The only thing mills cares about is Having the TITLE of KNICKS PRESIDENT.. HE WILL NOT BE HERE by the end of 2019..the losing gets everyone fired, it never ever fails..I don't care if Dolan is his buddy, someone will get in his ear.

You can count on one hand the amount of coaches,GMS and presidents that have survive a rebuild, in all sports combine..

you have one down yr, and then you need progress every game, every week, every month, every season..ARE WE SEEING THAT HERE?

Dude you are clueless. Don't you see people are making fun of you?
Why you expose yourself like this?

lmao...clueless to what, and who's making fun of me, the 4 you who praise the FO, and think were on the right path, and want frank to be your starter..


this FO will not be here in 2020...i'll put my house on it..

you see that game last night, we couldn't stop laughing..it was comedy central

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1/9/2019  10:44 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:No player on the roster is sure they will be on the roster next yr other than Knox,(and maybe THJ) no player has a role on this roster other than Mudiay, no player on this roster has stepped up in a leadership role, no player on this roster plays hard for more than a quarter or 2, they all look utterly confused 70% of each game, as if we were running the triangle.

The last time we had a the exact same situation like this, we won 17 games, and we had the same amount of cap space going into the off season, with several big name FA, bypassing the knicks.

Like you guys just seen this whole movie playout just 3 yrs ago and you act has if this FO is doing something different, with the GM then, now the president..


In the 19 months this FO has been running the show, we have literally gotten worse..

The year you are talking about the Knicks traded Tyson and Felton for Dalembert (waived), Larkin, the picks that became Early and Thanasis. The prize in that package was an overpaid on the decline Calderon. Then Shump and Jr were traded for Lance and Lou and those guys were both initially waived. Do you see this front office operating like that? Did they trade a second round pick so that they could keep the Kobe stopper? You think that that is the exact same situation as what is happening now?

The first part of being successful is having a guy that actually has worked in a front office and has relationships with other execs, coaches and players. The Knicks didn't have that guy, they had a great coach in a different role. They have that guy now. The next step is to have a vision of how you want to build your team that is shared by management and the coaching staff. The Knicks didn't have that. Fisher wanted to run his practices like they did in OKC utilizing his assistants to do skill and drill in small groups and was not committed to the offense the pres wanted. That management team also did not do a coaching search. They offered the job to one guy and then another when the job was turned down. This management team did an exhaustive coaching and hired the guy seen as the best communicator and best developmental guy available. That group played the high character undrafted vets a lot. This group plays the young players over the vets and is focused on development. This group will be adding a third consecutive lottery pick and has a lot of players on cost controlled contracts. Aside from the records, nothing is the same.


Mills has been an utter disaster in every FO position he has ever had (the dude is from princeton, a finance and marketing guy)and wouldn't know a good trade if someone smack the sht out of him (if you can prove otherwise please explain) In the 6 yrs he's been associated with this franchise, we have been god awful, he has done nothing at all to put his stamp on this franchise....THE WORST PAET, and I mean the absolute worsT PART, IS THAT THE GUY WHO HIRED HIM "HIS GOOD BUDDY" STATED HE DOESN'T KNOW SHT about running an NBA team, or how to hire the right guy to run it..I mean he said this out of his own mouth..


The only thing mills cares about is Having the TITLE of KNICKS PRESIDENT.. HE WILL NOT BE HERE by the end of 2019..the losing gets everyone fired, it never ever fails..I don't care if Dolan is his buddy, someone will get in his ear.

You can count on one hand the amount of coaches,GMS and presidents that have survive a rebuild, in all sports combine..

you have one down yr, and then you need progress every game, every week, every month, every season..ARE WE SEEING THAT HERE?

Dude you are clueless. Don't you see people are making fun of you?
Why you expose yourself like this?

lmao...clueless to what, and who's making fun of me, the 4 you who praise the FO, and think were on the right path, and want frank to be your starter..


this FO will not be here in 2020...i'll put my house on it..

you see that game last night, we couldn't stop laughing..it was comedy central

Not sure how anyone can seriously expect us to win if we need to lose more than ever.
And we have personal capable to lose more than we ever could.
Not only we need to lose but we need to lose enough to be in the hole by KP return deep enough to not clime back over 3 top lottery positions.
The rest is a joke.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/11/2019  1:58 PM
Barkley made some interesting observations about the San Antonio Spurs last night. He talked about how every player during warm-ups worked on a specific aspect of the game that would be critical for them if they were called in. He credited the coaching staff for that attention to detail. He also noted that players who were successful in San Antonio often were signed for more money the play elsewhere and faded from success - in many cases, washing out.

Knicks need to harden their attention to game prep to ensure, fast, consistent starts and game play. Just don't win too often.

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1/11/2019  2:17 PM
fwk00 wrote:Barkley made some interesting observations about the San Antonio Spurs last night. He talked about how every player during warm-ups worked on a specific aspect of the game that would be critical for them if they were called in. He credited the coaching staff for that attention to detail. He also noted that players who were successful in San Antonio often were signed for more money the play elsewhere and faded from success - in many cases, washing out.

Knicks need to harden their attention to game prep to ensure, fast, consistent starts and game play. Just don't win too often.

Agree. But don't worry they cannot win much no matter how they try.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
CrushAlot
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1/11/2019  5:18 PM
fwk00 wrote:Barkley made some interesting observations about the San Antonio Spurs last night. He talked about how every player during warm-ups worked on a specific aspect of the game that would be critical for them if they were called in. He credited the coaching staff for that attention to detail. He also noted that players who were successful in San Antonio often were signed for more money the play elsewhere and faded from success - in many cases, washing out.

Knicks need to harden their attention to game prep to ensure, fast, consistent starts and game play. Just don't win too often.

I don't think the success part of his quote applies to Danny Green. He has been a big part of the Raptors success this year and I think his addition will be even more valuable in the playoffs. In regards to coaching, is Becky Hammond going to be the next big hire from the Pop coaching tree?
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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