sidsanders wrote:<1248 bat signal>

knicks1248 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:<1248 bat signal>

lol
its not even a debate anymore,

he sucks

a debate? ...I thought this was Nalod's "Trade Frank For Free" thread...

EnySpree wrote:Frank is gonna be Michael Cooper one day if he can ever find some confidence and drive. That's all I can give him.

Eny, I really don't know what this kid is going to be quite "frankly"......
I saw the team live in charlotte last week and was surprised in person how slight Frank is. Knox too.
Since Drafted frank has grown at least another inch and really he looks tall next to others. Both of them have good frames and should fill out. Frank physically looks younger than Knox. what does that mean? When frank is hitting shots and driving he is smooth and calculated. To me, and just observation is he lacks the strength. Pin head fans who rather be "right" than anyting else are lazy and just figure it will never happen.
We have gone from drafting ready made guys like Jordan Hill, Channing Fry and shump who really did not have much upside to now drafting "kids". Frank and Knox have game. Mitch Robinson is also way under developed but you see glimpses into what they can be. They are young and physically under developed. I applaud the knicks approach. We have three guys that are really young.
Looking at KP, he is very wide at the hips and shoulders and if his slight anemic condition is not a problem he too will be a big problem for the league to contend with.
This season we are trending down and should have another young blue chip talent to draft.

Teams don't hit a high percentage of draft picks so it might be Frank is a bust and we move on. Happens to other teams. That is no reason to stop drafting and building thru the draft. At the same time lady luck appears and you get Mitch and Trier. They are not just players for the future but also trade assets to complete a team. This is why adding Durant is not a crazy idea and think that in his tenure (not year one) this team really can blossom into something special. Free agents, Draft core, Trades........All three.

I can't see the future, but it don't mean there is not one.

Fiz is trying to make him into a traditional point guard or aggressive scorer and attacker, which wasn't his game. It may work, as Frank has the physical tools to be able to overpower and scorer over smaller people inside the paint and in the midrange. I just don't know if that's who he is.

I think when Phil drafted him, he saw him as a swiss army knife type, who could play a Derek Fisher role right away. The Knicks then changed regimes, and coaching has changed a few times as well. Frank hasn't been allowed to play the way I thought we brought him in to play. With all the point guard and guard competition on the team, and most of these guys like Mudiay/Burke/Trier are all like Frank in regards to try and prove they can make it in the league, it's even tougher for a young player like Frank to develop because he's got players better at the skills Fiz values who are trying to make it in the league as well.

If the Knicks really were serious on developing Frank, they would do what they did with Porzingis, or what they are with Knox. You wouldn't have other young players trying to beat him out for playing time, and you would surround them with a veteran/veterans who can help the young player develop.

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:No debate, just an article that no doubt some reporter asked Fiz about Frank as he has not had a good string of games.
What is there to debate? The team is not playing well. Frank is part of that group.
Fiz spoke. We read. No tea leave prognostications. The game is played and speaks for itself.
Jrod, All knicks drafted are "my" rookies. I root for them. All of them. Emotional rants are welcome. Just not respected.

Nalod, no emotional ranting intended.
Just pointing out that somewhere in the midst of your emotional attachment statement, you lost sight of the fact Frankie's not a rookie anymore....

For the record, I have no tampon-ing to do with Frank. I'm still pulling for him to be at least the defensive half of Clyde someday, maybe off the bench.

I stand by what I said despite your anal retentive "gotchas", "All knicks drafted are MY rookies". I root for whom we draft more than guys we bring in via trade or free agents. Frank is not a rookie. He is 20 and Im in with the long view of potential. Call it what you want.
Maybe when he starts shaving I'll be more objective.

Cartman718 wrote:I said in another thread...he has until next season trading deadline to show progress. FO is not going to be that patient with him unless we score bigtime in free agency AND the draft. If both of those things happen, pressure's off.