Unless we get someone like KD this summer, i see Knox becoming our second option on offense. Hardaway will look better as a third option and should become more of a spot-up shooter on offense, which he is very good at. What we need is a PG who can create plays for KP, Knox, and Hardaway and can push the pace. Maybe Morant is that guy in the draft. If not, maybe Rubio or Bledsoe.

We can successfully build an offense around KP and Knox if we have the right PG. It's no knock on Ntilikina. He can still become a solid backup combo guard. He so young and just not ready to make guys like KP and Knox better. I don't care if Rubio and Bledsoe are older players (for what we are building.) Part of building around KP and Knox is finding the right PG who can help them grow, regardless of age. Bledsoe is 29 and Rubio is 28. Either can provide what this team needs on both ends of the floor at PG for the next few years. Plus solid role players like Vonleh, Robinson, Dotson, Trier, and Ntilikina (along with a top 5 draft pick) and this team will grow tremendously next season. Imagine what a healthy KP can do with a real PG? Same with Knox.

FireHornacek wrote:So you are banking on a rookie who will not even make the NBA 2018 All Rookie Team to be "our second option" next year. My God.

He likely finishes the year averaging 14-16 points and 5-6 boards, so he will make the all-rookie team, even with this great rookie class. Not really sure what the issue you see is. We aren't competing for a title next year. We are still in development mode. I think Knox averaging 18 points and 6 boards on 45/38/80 splits isn't asking too much next season. It comes down to having the right PG who can help him take that step. Look at what Rubio does for Utah. Who is their second option on offense? We are building this team around Porzingis. Knox isn't shooting the ball that well, but he is doing most of his work on spot ups and creating his own space. If he has a PG who can run with him and get him easy baskets, sky is the limit.

Knixkik wrote:Not really sure what the issue you see is.

The issue is this:

I watched the Mavs game last night...rookie Luka didn't even have a top game and he was light years better than Knox will ever be. Both are young men (19 years old), new to the NBA and Doncic has already shown not only can he play in the NBA, but he will be a star in the NBA. Knox? He has shown we drafted another project. Another Frank.

FireHornacek wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Not really sure what the issue you see is.

The issue is this:

I watched the Mavs game last night...rookie Luka didn't even have a top game and he was light years better than Knox will ever be. Both are young men (19 years old), new to the NBA and Doncic has already shown not only can he play in the NBA, but he will be a star in the NBA. Knox? He has shown we drafted another project. Another Frank.

Knox is nothing like Frank. He is scoring and getting better each game. What are his numbers this month? And he's doing it without a true PG on the roster. Doncic is much better than Knox sure, but he is their number one option. That will never be the expectation of Knox with KP here.

CrushAlot wrote:

FireHornacek wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Not really sure what the issue you see is.

The issue is this:

I watched the Mavs game last night...rookie Luka didn't even have a top game and he was light years better than Knox will ever be. Both are young men (19 years old), new to the NBA and Doncic has already shown not only can he play in the NBA, but he will be a star in the NBA. Knox? He has shown we drafted another project. Another Frank.

Doncic should have been the #1 pick. He is a generational player. He wasn't on the board when the Knicks picked. If this was a post about Miles or Mikal Bridges and they were playing better than Knox it would make sense.

Knox is a year younger than a lot of the other top rookies, and i think it's safe to say he's a top 5 offensive player in this class.

CrushAlot wrote:Doncic should have been the #1 pick. He is a generational player.

His game is exciting, he's exudes personality...man, the NBA just keeps finding great young talent. This league is in incredible shape due to the Embiids, Donovan Mitchells, and now Luka Doncic.

FireHornacek wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Doncic should have been the #1 pick. He is a generational player.

Yes, he is. He is something very special for the league. I'll say it -- a good looking white guy who can really play ball. That's gold for the league.

His game is exciting, he's exudes personality...man, the NBA just keeps finding great young talent. This league is in incredible shape due to the Embiids, Donovan Mitchells, and now Luka Doncic.

"a good looking white guy" Roots of racism and ignorance still exist. Such a lost little soul...I feel sorry for you. WAKE UP....Educate yourself.....It's 2019

There's No Scientific Basis for Race (White or Black) —It's a Made-Up Label created by insecure racist people trying to divide a diverse country.

Researchers who have since looked at people at the genetic level now say that the whole category of race is misconceived.

In June 2000, when the results were announced at a White House ceremony, Craig Venter, a pioneer of DNA sequencing, observed, “The concept of race has no genetic or scientific basis.”

The first is that all humans are closely related—more closely related than all chimps, even though there are many more humans around today.

Racial labeling increases racial divide, author says | HuffPost

“It’s one of America’s great ironies,” Peer says, “that so many programs designed to foster acceptance and inclusion are reinforcing separation and worsening the racial divide.”

By the way....You're not the only one thats caught up in this racial labeling. Just read my name on this site. So your not alone. But I refuse to let ignorance run rapid, without sharing knowledge. When you know better, you do better.

blkexec wrote:

FireHornacek wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Doncic should have been the #1 pick. He is a generational player.

Yes, he is. He is something very special for the league. I'll say it -- a good looking white guy who can really play ball. That's gold for the league.

His game is exciting, he's exudes personality...man, the NBA just keeps finding great young talent. This league is in incredible shape due to the Embiids, Donovan Mitchells, and now Luka Doncic.

"a good looking white guy" Roots of racism and ignorance still exist. Such a lost little soul...I feel sorry for you. WAKE UP....Educate yourself.....It's 2019

There's No Scientific Basis for Race (White or Black) —It's a Made-Up Label created by insecure racist people trying to divide a diverse country.

Researchers who have since looked at people at the genetic level now say that the whole category of race is misconceived.

In June 2000, when the results were announced at a White House ceremony, Craig Venter, a pioneer of DNA sequencing, observed, “The concept of race has no genetic or scientific basis.”

The first is that all humans are closely related—more closely related than all chimps, even though there are many more humans around today.

Racial labeling increases racial divide, author says | HuffPost

“It’s one of America’s great ironies,” Peer says, “that so many programs designed to foster acceptance and inclusion are reinforcing separation and worsening the racial divide.”

By the way....You're not the only one thats caught up in this racial labeling. Just read my name on this site. So your not alone. But I refuse to let ignorance run rapid, without sharing knowledge. When you know better, you do better.

Very well said man. Race is irrelevant to judge people achievements and development.
Culture of the nation is way more important as it builds the foundation for family, education, and traditions developed in generations.
Race always was used to misdirect blame from those in power who are to blame for dragging the society back in time.
It was always used to separate good progressive people who do not look alike but are moved by same values of compassion, love, and acceptance.
We in this country want to break that pattern and build the society free of this lies.
But for this we need to respect each other for whatever we are without reservations.
And be able to forgive each other when we do fall into the traps racists and bigots of all kinds and colors have always ready for us to fall in.

arkrud wrote:

FireHornacek wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Doncic is much better than Knox sure, but he is their number one option. That will never be the expectation of Knox with KP here.

Your expectations for Knox are far too lofty. #2 guy? 20 a game? No way. He's Chris Copeland at best.

We are in first year of rebuild.
Knox has at least 2 more years before we will be relevant in NBA.
Its a lot of time for him to develop.

We as knick fans have two bad habits:
1. When a young player doesn't meet early expectations, we write them off.
2. When a young player exceeds early expectations, we place them in the Hall of Fame.

The patients of knick fans and the local media has to change. Otherwise the FO and the Knicks will repeat history. It all starts with Dolan. The media, knows how to push Dolans panic button. Which is why all these Dolan selling the knicks articles are popping up, since that blow out lost to phoenix. But when we were winning, the only article you read was Dolan playing with his guitar.

Knicks get blown out, somethings wrong with the players, Fitz system, etc...

Knicks start winning, fans will complain that we will not get a top pick...

And you wonder why nobody wants this job! This is why Dolan has to over pay for a has been coach past his prime. Now that we got a young up and coming coach, his system doesn't work and he's not seasoned enough.

I think my signature sums it up!

arkrud wrote:

FireHornacek wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Doncic is much better than Knox sure, but he is their number one option. That will never be the expectation of Knox with KP here.

Your expectations for Knox are far too lofty. #2 guy? 20 a game? No way. He's Chris Copeland at best.

We are in first year of rebuild.
Knox has at least 2 more years before we will be relevant in NBA.
Its a lot of time for him to develop.

we have been rebuilding for 5 yrs, all we did with phils guys is move away from the triangle.

Go back and look at the post and threads at the start of the last 5 seasons, and it's always, "we are in yr 1 of the rebuilding"

what was last yr, a playoff yr, we got a new coach with the same plan, a new GM with the same plan, build through the draft and FA. There's only about 4 or 5 guys on this team that should be part of the knicks future..Trier, Mitch, mudiay, knox, and KP..

Our seasons have crashed and burned by january, this yr it never left the ****pit. Fans are going to question this whole sht when you get blown out on a nightly bases to good and very bad teams at home..

Yesterday you saw frank make a nice drive to the basket (his only fcking basket) then he fell right back into bad habits of hoisting 22 foot bricks from the same spots he struggles from every single game, that progression?

You see the same absent minded defensive lapse from every player...GTFOH , this is not the way you rebuild, this is not how the GSW, Celtics, rockets, pacers, thunder, ect, rebuild..This is "throwing on the wall and see if it sticks"