https://nypost.com/2018/12/13/allonzo-triers-charmed-season-may-be-knicks-kevin-durant-key/

What exactly does trier do that THJ doesn't, other than chase down blocks?

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:you mean bring in a guy who plays Knox, Mario and KP's position plus makes more then THJ.

What exactly does trier do that THJ doesn't, other than chase down blocks?

You mean, what does Jabari do that THJr doesn't: No cap space in 2019-2020.

You did catch the BIG FUCKING point of the thread, right?

You mad bro?

LivingLegend wrote:I think key is that I believe Jabari deal for next season is a team option.

So they can buy him out or let him go without a cap impact and not sure Hardaway/Levine combo makes any sense.

Listen Timmy is absolutely brain dead and awful —- he is 3x the gunner Melo ever was — his b-ball IQ and shot selection are epically bad.....I am for getting rid of him just don’t think Bulls would do that deal.

Maybe Courtney Lee would be a better fit. Veteran locker room guy who is not so much of a defensive liability. A Lee deal would still give us cap flexibility. Could even throw in Lance to make $$ work. Lance has a reasonable buyout next season, also a good locker room guy which they sorely need and a competent defender. Not sexy but it would help both teams

At the same time, the reality of the Knicks is that we're all about contingency plans. There's no way to guarantee that Durant will come here. Wherever he goes (I'd bet he's thinking about how to return to OKC out of loyalty to the fanbase), he'll make them an instant contender (duh).

I know folks here are hit or miss with THJr. His effort as the #1 option on offense has been admirable and he's absolutely improved as a player this year. At the same time, even with the growth, I don't get the sense people trust him as a 2nd or 3rd option on a contender. We also have a glut of young and old SG-sized players (Dotson, Frank, Trier, Lee)

That takes us to Jabari. He's sort of like Carmelo, only less accomplished at the NBA level. His herky-jerky style is known to even throw his teammates off balance. He has surgically repaired knees and seems to be an injury risk. And he has proven to be a sub-par defender. And most importantly, he's having a really hard time earning minutes on a bad Chicago team. (some reports today say he's out of the rotation)

In the event you don't get the free agent you're looking for, will the Knicks be satisfied either letting his cap hold go or, perhaps worse, feel the pressure to re-sign him to make sure they get some value out of losing THJr?

Note that everything changes when KP returns. Presuming he returns to pre-injury form or better...

technomaster wrote:If the goal is to clear cap space, I'd entertain a deal for Jabari.

At the same time, the reality of the Knicks is that we're all about contingency plans. There's no way to guarantee that Durant will come here. Wherever he goes (I'd bet he's thinking about how to return to OKC out of loyalty to the fanbase), he'll make them an instant contender (duh).

I know folks here are hit or miss with THJr. His effort as the #1 option on offense has been admirable and he's absolutely improved as a player this year. At the same time, even with the growth, I don't get the sense people trust him as a 2nd or 3rd option on a contender. We also have a glut of young and old SG-sized players (Dotson, Frank, Trier, Lee)

That takes us to Jabari. He's sort of like Carmelo, only less accomplished at the NBA level. His herky-jerky style is known to even throw his teammates off balance. He has surgically repaired knees and seems to be an injury risk. And he has proven to be a sub-par defender. And most importantly, he's having a really hard time earning minutes on a bad Chicago team. (some reports today say he's out of the rotation)

In the event you don't get the free agent you're looking for, will the Knicks be satisfied either letting his cap hold go or, perhaps worse, feel the pressure to re-sign him to make sure they get some value out of losing THJr?

Note that everything changes when KP returns. Presuming he returns to pre-injury form or better...

newyorknewyork wrote:How about sending Hardaway Jr and Burke to Detroit for Ish Smith, Reggie Bullock, Glen Robinson II, Stanley Johnson.

For Detroit would allow them to add an upgrade which I don't see them being able to add otherwise. They bring in 2 players that played for Michigan so they can market that as well.

For the Knicks it's all about the cap savings. Smith(Phoenix) & Bullock(Rockets)are both solid enough to command a couple 2nd rounders in return if forwarded to other teams. Stanley Johnson may as well if not kept to ride out the season with our lack for SF depth.

Burke has zero trade value on his own. To create a salary match and/or to equalize out roster spots in a moving trade, sure, he has that basic function, but no real value on his own.

I'd make that deal, but Detroit would never take it. I actually like Ish Smith quite a bit, even though he's got limitations.

Knicks would move THJr right now for zero positive return. If they could dump his contract cleanly in a trade, just to dump it, and take an equal expiring back to waive, they'd do it. They wouldn't blink on it.

I give THJr in that he's burning hard. He's 250 percent effort and his contract status means he could get away with dogging it. So that's to his credit. But functionally he's a bad contract. Someone will try to compare him to other bad contracts to justify his contract, but the marketplace forces actual assets to be weighed out by current market correction.

As the value of cost controlled assets increased, the damage done by the Bargs trade increased. In contrast, when rookie scale slotting went up and is still going up, the trade off splits towards tax paying teams versus non tax paying teams. I.E. you can't just take THJrs contract in a snapshot against only a specific year and against a specific set of alternatives. In the NFL, where contracts are non guaranteed, that might a different story, but with NBA long term guaranteed contracts, that's not a viable way to manage your resources.

It's a bad contract. Progressively it will get worse in market value over time. He is trying hard so it makes people not want to criticize him as much.