knicks1248 wrote:Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...

Knox has played absolutely terrible so far this season. You haven't spent even 1/10th the amount of energy used when you were knocking Frank last season. Dating back to his own ankle injury in the preseason.

Knox has looked like a "low IQ, ball jock, AAU player with lazy defense". If we were to equate the generalizations, bias and prejudice views between Frank and Knox.

They are also both 2 of the youngest players in the NBA. Knicks could have gone after older rookies like Mitchell and Miles. They went after the boom or bust potential. Would make no sense to take players this young and this raw if they aren't committed to long term development and the supreme lows of developmental prospects.

Knicks have made their choices. They need to follow through.

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...

Knox has played absolutely terrible so far this season. You haven't spent even 1/10th the amount of energy used when you were knocking Frank last season. Dating back to his own ankle injury in the preseason.

Knox has looked like a "low IQ, ball jock, AAU player with lazy defense". If we were to equate the generalizations, bias and prejudice views between Frank and Knox.

They are also both 2 of the youngest players in the NBA. Knicks could have gone after older rookies like Mitchell and Miles. They went after the boom or bust potential. Would make no sense to take players this young and this raw if they aren't committed to long term development and the supreme lows of developmental prospects.

Knicks have made their choices. They need to follow through.

It is not optimism, its pragmatism.
Drafted players outside of first 4 picks (and sometimes even this) are a material that needs to be worked on.
And it is human material so variance is huge.
Average development window is 4 years. A bit shorted for players drafted after college.
We have a couple of players who are at the end of the development window and 4 players at the very beginning of it.
Bit writers are just reporting on progress of development and also on the side of it which can be publicly seen.
So, yes, this and this player rookie still sucks. So what?

This fool is just feeding the unrealistic no life New York fan division who kniw nothing about basketball or athletics.

Frank should not be traded. Has shown good signs. Dont understand the urgency to give up on the kid? Yes I wanted Smith or Mitchell. Who cares. For anyone that has coached at any level, you can see the improvement he has made and the lessons Fiz is trying to teach. The impatience is underatandable for a fat ugly reporter who is frustrated covering successful athletic people and who only has a belly to boast about.

As for Knox, he has played how,many NBA games? Oh wait....hiw many gamea since he graduated High School? Hopefully the front office iant this stupid.

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...

Knox has played absolutely terrible so far this season. You haven't spent even 1/10th the amount of energy used when you were knocking Frank last season. Dating back to his own ankle injury in the preseason.

Knox has looked like a "low IQ, ball jock, AAU player with lazy defense". If we were to equate the generalizations, bias and prejudice views between Frank and Knox.

They are also both 2 of the youngest players in the NBA. Knicks could have gone after older rookies like Mitchell and Miles. They went after the boom or bust potential. Would make no sense to take players this young and this raw if they aren't committed to long term development and the supreme lows of developmental prospects.

Knicks have made their choices. They need to follow through.

Wonder if Knicks1248 sees anti frank articles as vindication or soft porn?
Knox too much AAU but Frank is not enough?
Calipari if reading between the lines might not have thought he was ready to move to the NBA. Bottom line is if you go top 10 you go? Quarter of the season in the bag and we have his trajectory figured out? Im not buying that either.
Frank's play has declined when we deviated from what Fiz was doing earlier. This helps Mudiay and Trier's game. Three game streak does speak for itself but does it move the franchise forward.
What we did or didn't do with Reezy or any other player in a previous regime does not matter as all the characters are different. I just don't want to see us dump Frank and watch him go on for 15 years having a productive career elsewhere. Naturally "Winning" would take the sting out of that. If I can get over "Willy", I can get over this.

knicks1248 wrote:
Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...

Dude, its not denial as it is fans hoping for a good thing. You or I have no decision capacity here. If Fan wants to be hopeful that's onething. Why are you so hell bent on "being that guy"? You know, the "guy" that gets to say "I told you so"? Over and over you bash the guy which is your prerogative but its not like your doing anyone any favors by helping them. Its not an "Intervention" were your helping someone see the light. We like Frank's defensive acumen and have hopes for him. Its part of being a fan. No, you can't take that from people no matter how many times you try.

who said I told you so,

I was just as optimistic as you were in the beginning with frank, after watching him play for 3 months, I started noticing how passive he was, then i search online for every single EURO scouting report i could find, I watched all of his Euro highlights on youtube, Then I watch JH begging and pleading for him to push the pace, push the pace, we're down 10 with 5 minutes to go, and I watch him do this over and over and over again , I have watched games where im just fixated on frank trying to figure out WTF he's doing.

The things i was saying last season about him needing to play in a half court system (spurs/memphis) with a few stars, a few scorers in a smaller role, was not a knock on him. It was said by every scout that scouting him. He has a certain style he prefers to play at, a certain pace, you're trying to force him to be something he is not, like your afraid to move on if he doesn't fit the bill.

We have been debating about a kid who is probably the worse offensive guard you ever seen in a Knick uniform, cmon dude, when did you become a knick fan? it's been 30+ yrs for me.

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...

Knox has played absolutely terrible so far this season. You haven't spent even 1/10th the amount of energy used when you were knocking Frank last season. Dating back to his own ankle injury in the preseason.

Knox has looked like a "low IQ, ball jock, AAU player with lazy defense". If we were to equate the generalizations, bias and prejudice views between Frank and Knox.

They are also both 2 of the youngest players in the NBA. Knicks could have gone after older rookies like Mitchell and Miles. They went after the boom or bust potential. Would make no sense to take players this young and this raw if they aren't committed to long term development and the supreme lows of developmental prospects.

Knicks have made their choices. They need to follow through.

Wonder if Knicks1248 sees anti frank articles as vindication or soft porn?
Knox too much AAU but Frank is not enough?
Calipari if reading between the lines might not have thought he was ready to move to the NBA. Bottom line is if you go top 10 you go? Quarter of the season in the bag and we have his trajectory figured out? Im not buying that either.
Frank's play has declined when we deviated from what Fiz was doing earlier. This helps Mudiay and Trier's game. Three game streak does speak for itself but does it move the franchise forward.
What we did or didn't do with Reezy or any other player in a previous regime does not matter as all the characters are different. I just don't want to see us dump Frank and watch him go on for 15 years having a productive career elsewhere. Naturally "Winning" would take the sting out of that. If I can get over "Willy", I can get over this.

knicks1248 wrote:
Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...

Dude, its not denial as it is fans hoping for a good thing. You or I have no decision capacity here. If Fan wants to be hopeful that's onething. Why are you so hell bent on "being that guy"? You know, the "guy" that gets to say "I told you so"? Over and over you bash the guy which is your prerogative but its not like your doing anyone any favors by helping them. Its not an "Intervention" were your helping someone see the light. We like Frank's defensive acumen and have hopes for him. Its part of being a fan. No, you can't take that from people no matter how many times you try.

His whole arguement against Frank has been rooted in the fact that he is from Europe and not from AAU. But Knox is from AAU and has a year of college. So if we were to claim that Knox's problems stem from his AAU upbringing. Which makes him a low IQ chuck with lazy defense. Then we would sound like Knicks1248.

The fact that he isn't bringing this same energy says all that needs to be said. As this would ultimately distroy the foundation of his critique.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...

Knox has played absolutely terrible so far this season. You haven't spent even 1/10th the amount of energy used when you were knocking Frank last season. Dating back to his own ankle injury in the preseason.

Knox has looked like a "low IQ, ball jock, AAU player with lazy defense". If we were to equate the generalizations, bias and prejudice views between Frank and Knox.

They are also both 2 of the youngest players in the NBA. Knicks could have gone after older rookies like Mitchell and Miles. They went after the boom or bust potential. Would make no sense to take players this young and this raw if they aren't committed to long term development and the supreme lows of developmental prospects.

Knicks have made their choices. They need to follow through.

Wonder if Knicks1248 sees anti frank articles as vindication or soft porn?
Knox too much AAU but Frank is not enough?
Calipari if reading between the lines might not have thought he was ready to move to the NBA. Bottom line is if you go top 10 you go? Quarter of the season in the bag and we have his trajectory figured out? Im not buying that either.
Frank's play has declined when we deviated from what Fiz was doing earlier. This helps Mudiay and Trier's game. Three game streak does speak for itself but does it move the franchise forward.
What we did or didn't do with Reezy or any other player in a previous regime does not matter as all the characters are different. I just don't want to see us dump Frank and watch him go on for 15 years having a productive career elsewhere. Naturally "Winning" would take the sting out of that. If I can get over "Willy", I can get over this.

knicks1248 wrote:
Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...

Dude, its not denial as it is fans hoping for a good thing. You or I have no decision capacity here. If Fan wants to be hopeful that's onething. Why are you so hell bent on "being that guy"? You know, the "guy" that gets to say "I told you so"? Over and over you bash the guy which is your prerogative but its not like your doing anyone any favors by helping them. Its not an "Intervention" were your helping someone see the light. We like Frank's defensive acumen and have hopes for him. Its part of being a fan. No, you can't take that from people no matter how many times you try.

His whole arguement against Frank has been rooted in the fact that he is from Europe and not from AAU. But Knox is from AAU and has a year of college. So if we were to claim that Knox's problems stem from his AAU upbringing. Which makes him a low IQ chuck with lazy defense. Then we would sound like Knicks1248.

The fact that he isn't bringing this same energy says all that needs to be said. As this would ultimately distroy the foundation of his critique.

thats part of the argument, but the FACT is. he doesn't shoot PUSH THE PACE, penetrate, (let me say this again..15% from 3's in the month of nov 29% overall) 9 FT for the month of NOV, and just 4 layups, in which he made 2 of the 4

You can't be in the NBA with those type of #s..seriously.

What game this year can you look back and say, his elite defense was on display, he locked so and so down (maybe 19 yr old trey young) and the knicks don't want him to spend a second in the G league..

Gotta love the development process..

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...

Knox has played absolutely terrible so far this season. You haven't spent even 1/10th the amount of energy used when you were knocking Frank last season. Dating back to his own ankle injury in the preseason.

Knox has looked like a "low IQ, ball jock, AAU player with lazy defense". If we were to equate the generalizations, bias and prejudice views between Frank and Knox.

They are also both 2 of the youngest players in the NBA. Knicks could have gone after older rookies like Mitchell and Miles. They went after the boom or bust potential. Would make no sense to take players this young and this raw if they aren't committed to long term development and the supreme lows of developmental prospects.

Knicks have made their choices. They need to follow through.

CrushAlot wrote:The Knicks drafted 18 year olds in consecutive years in the lottery. It would be incredibly dumb to give up on them 1 month or 1 yr and a month into their professional careers. Committing to guys that young is a commitment to rebuilding and investing the time to do it right. Chris Vernon says his stuff and then Berman and the rest of the media pounce. I don't think management is trading either of these guys unless it gets them Durant next offseason.

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...

Knox has played absolutely terrible so far this season. You haven't spent even 1/10th the amount of energy used when you were knocking Frank last season. Dating back to his own ankle injury in the preseason.

Knox has looked like a "low IQ, ball jock, AAU player with lazy defense". If we were to equate the generalizations, bias and prejudice views between Frank and Knox.

They are also both 2 of the youngest players in the NBA. Knicks could have gone after older rookies like Mitchell and Miles. They went after the boom or bust potential. Would make no sense to take players this young and this raw if they aren't committed to long term development and the supreme lows of developmental prospects.

Knicks have made their choices. They need to follow through.

Wonder if Knicks1248 sees anti frank articles as vindication or soft porn?
Knox too much AAU but Frank is not enough?
Calipari if reading between the lines might not have thought he was ready to move to the NBA. Bottom line is if you go top 10 you go? Quarter of the season in the bag and we have his trajectory figured out? Im not buying that either.
Frank's play has declined when we deviated from what Fiz was doing earlier. This helps Mudiay and Trier's game. Three game streak does speak for itself but does it move the franchise forward.
What we did or didn't do with Reezy or any other player in a previous regime does not matter as all the characters are different. I just don't want to see us dump Frank and watch him go on for 15 years having a productive career elsewhere. Naturally "Winning" would take the sting out of that. If I can get over "Willy", I can get over this.

knicks1248 wrote:
Optimism sometimes puts you in denial. Some fans will go to bat for a player they like, while others will recognize the BS early....Is knox passing the ball, is frank playing good...

Dude, its not denial as it is fans hoping for a good thing. You or I have no decision capacity here. If Fan wants to be hopeful that's onething. Why are you so hell bent on "being that guy"? You know, the "guy" that gets to say "I told you so"? Over and over you bash the guy which is your prerogative but its not like your doing anyone any favors by helping them. Its not an "Intervention" were your helping someone see the light. We like Frank's defensive acumen and have hopes for him. Its part of being a fan. No, you can't take that from people no matter how many times you try.

His whole arguement against Frank has been rooted in the fact that he is from Europe and not from AAU. But Knox is from AAU and has a year of college. So if we were to claim that Knox's problems stem from his AAU upbringing. Which makes him a low IQ chuck with lazy defense. Then we would sound like Knicks1248.

The fact that he isn't bringing this same energy says all that needs to be said. As this would ultimately distroy the foundation of his critique.

thats part of the argument, but the FACT is. he doesn't shoot PUSH THE PACE, penetrate, (let me say this again..15% from 3's in the month of nov 29% overall) 9 FT for the month of NOV, and just 4 layups, in which he made 2 of the 4

You can't be in the NBA with those type of #s..seriously.

What game this year can you look back and say, his elite defense was on display, he locked so and so down (maybe 19 yr old trey young) and the knicks don't want him to spend a second in the G league..

Gotta love the development process..

Hes trying to find his game on offense. Just like Knox & Mitch. He had a horrible month of November no doubt. Which is why he lost his starting job and has been regulated to bench role. His main problem, which majority has pointed out has been due to confidence. So the question is what are the Knicks doing to build up his confidence? You can't have a kid like Frank display all the confidence he displayed vs Warriors and Nets in his first 2 ever starts at PG with complete games of defense and efficient offense. Then allow him to just lose it all. What is being done to get him going? Knicks drafted him in the lottery. Knicks are rebuilding. So what is the plan to actually work through his issues and build him up & develop him? What is the plan for him when he is subbed into the game to build him up brick by brick?

In your whole reply not one mention of Knox, again exposing yourself.