Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:Zion is at best another Barkley or LJ. Which means he may dazzle us with hops and power for four years, until back problems rob him of his elevation. And at that point, unless he develops a reliable jump shot and some go-to low post moves that take advantage of his bulk and strength, plus leadership and charisma to inspire his teammates, he could quickly fizzle out.

Why exactly do you think getting another Barkley would be a bad thing? He was a league MVP, All-NBA 11 years in a row, and is probably one of the 20 or 25 best players in NBA history. He's probably better than anyone who's ever worn a Knick uniform; we would be extremely lucky to get someone like that with our pick.

Because times change? Barkley was never required to shoot 3s. shoot shoot shoot is the new nba. Zion has been called out for offensive fouls I have noticed in the few games I have watched. With better defenders in the NBA I can see that more often. This is why I like Knox because bad D or not, his outside shooting is sweet. Curry's defensive fallacies are covered by his teammates and it works because they've got good defenders in the post AND he absolutely makes opponents pay at the other end with his outside shooting.

My point was that what you are seeing in Zion today is highly unlikely to last beyond 4-5 years in the NBA. If he does not develop a jump shot, or Barkley's read and feel for the game, or his leadership, then we'd be quickly staring at an over the hill version of LJ or Clarence Weatherspoon.
In any case, if Zion turns out to be as good as Barkley, it won't be on the Knicks. The way we operate, even if we draft him, we'd probably trade him in a couple of years anyway, to Dallas for THJ...

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:Zion is at best another Barkley or LJ. Which means he may dazzle us with hops and power for four years, until back problems rob him of his elevation. And at that point, unless he develops a reliable jump shot and some go-to low post moves that take advantage of his bulk and strength, plus leadership and charisma to inspire his teammates, he could quickly fizzle out.

Why exactly do you think getting another Barkley would be a bad thing? He was a league MVP, All-NBA 11 years in a row, and is probably one of the 20 or 25 best players in NBA history. He's probably better than anyone who's ever worn a Knick uniform; we would be extremely lucky to get someone like that with our pick.

Because times change? Barkley was never required to shoot 3s. shoot shoot shoot is the new nba. Zion has been called out for offensive fouls I have noticed in the few games I have watched. With better defenders in the NBA I can see that more often. This is why I like Knox because bad D or not, his outside shooting is sweet. Curry's defensive fallacies are covered by his teammates and it works because they've got good defenders in the post AND he absolutely makes opponents pay at the other end with his outside shooting.

My point was that what you are seeing in Zion today is highly unlikely to last beyond 4-5 years in the NBA. If he does not develop a jump shot, or Barkley's read and feel for the game, or his leadership, then we'd be quickly staring at an over the hill version of LJ or Clarence Weatherspoon.
In any case, if Zion turns out to be as good as Barkley, it won't be on the Knicks. The way we operate, even if we draft him, we'd probably trade him in a couple of years anyway, to Dallas for THJ...

You haven't seen much of Zion or done much homework on him. Read up

Knicksfan wrote:Getting the top pick became just more crucial.

the top pick yes and we better have the option of swapping out first round 2019 with first round 2020 with dallas

Knicksfan wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Getting the top pick became just more crucial.

the top pick yes and we better have the option of swapping out first round 2019 with first round 2020 with dallas

???

We got picks in 2021 and 2023 from Dallas.

Thasit

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:Zion is at best another Barkley or LJ. Which means he may dazzle us with hops and power for four years, until back problems rob him of his elevation. And at that point, unless he develops a reliable jump shot and some go-to low post moves that take advantage of his bulk and strength, plus leadership and charisma to inspire his teammates, he could quickly fizzle out.

Why exactly do you think getting another Barkley would be a bad thing? He was a league MVP, All-NBA 11 years in a row, and is probably one of the 20 or 25 best players in NBA history. He's probably better than anyone who's ever worn a Knick uniform; we would be extremely lucky to get someone like that with our pick.

Because times change? Barkley was never required to shoot 3s. shoot shoot shoot is the new nba. Zion has been called out for offensive fouls I have noticed in the few games I have watched. With better defenders in the NBA I can see that more often. This is why I like Knox because bad D or not, his outside shooting is sweet. Curry's defensive fallacies are covered by his teammates and it works because they've got good defenders in the post AND he absolutely makes opponents pay at the other end with his outside shooting.

My point was that what you are seeing in Zion today is highly unlikely to last beyond 4-5 years in the NBA. If he does not develop a jump shot, or Barkley's read and feel for the game, or his leadership, then we'd be quickly staring at an over the hill version of LJ or Clarence Weatherspoon.
In any case, if Zion turns out to be as good as Barkley, it won't be on the Knicks. The way we operate, even if we draft him, we'd probably trade him in a couple of years anyway, to Dallas for THJ...

You haven't seen much of Zion or done much homework on him. Read up

It's driving me crazy how many people can't see how good Zion is. It's like back in the 90s when people would call Shaq "just a dunker".

At this point, I have no choice but to hope whoever we pick is that transcendent talent, Zion or otherwise. So here's to getting the overall #1 pick in May.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:
You haven't seen much of Zion or done much homework on him. Read up

I saw most of his college games. There is too much in his game that's predicated on high elevation right now. Not sustainable beyond five years in the NBA and will take a major toll on his back. He will need a broader set of skills yo be like Barkley. And of course he isn't anything like LeBron.

take a gander

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Knicksfan wrote:Getting the top pick became just more crucial.

Absolutely, the fate of the franchise rests on it- the number 1 not only gets you a new corner stone, it could also help sell free agents on signing here. If we end up with the 4th or 5th, things become much harder

martin wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:
You haven't seen much of Zion or done much homework on him. Read up

I saw most of his college games. There is too much in his game that's predicated on high elevation right now. Not sustainable beyond five years in the NBA and will take a major toll on his back. He will need a broader set of skills yo be like Barkley. And of course he isn't anything like LeBron.

take a gander

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Thanks for the article, very interesting. Pretty much confirms what I have been saying. His game is predicated on elevation and explosiveness. He needs to develop more of a skill-based game, with low post moves and better jump shooting to have a lasting star career in the NBA when his hops fade.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:
You haven't seen much of Zion or done much homework on him. Read up

I saw most of his college games. There is too much in his game that's predicated on high elevation right now. Not sustainable beyond five years in the NBA and will take a major toll on his back. He will need a broader set of skills yo be like Barkley. And of course he isn't anything like LeBron.

take a gander

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https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1089530149954031617

Thanks for the article, very interesting. Pretty much confirms what I have been saying. His game is predicated on elevation and explosiveness. He needs to develop more of a skill-based game, with low post moves and better jump shooting to have a lasting star career in the NBA when his hops fade.

No actually it wasn't. Here is the conclusion of article:

Potential Full Package

Williamson has backed up the hype over his tools, bounce and quickness, which alone have been highly functional and effective. He ranks in the 89th percentile in transition, the 89th percentile on offensive rebound putbacks and the 87th percentile on cuts.

He'll immediately enter the league as one of its most destructive athletes, with physical abilities that create a special advantage at both ends, regardless of how refined or polished he becomes.

But it's been the evolution of his skill set that's led to elite numbers, a No. 1 overall projection and even greater optimism surrounding his NBA star potential.

At this point it really feels like to me you are holding your breathe and just shaking your head no matter what you see or read

umbisam wrote:could we trade KK or MR + Dallas first round picks w/ Cleveland or Phoenix for their 2019 first round pick as to increase our odds on Zion ?

There's zero chance Cleveland or Phoenix would agree to that. Knox hasn't shown anything at all to justify a team trading away a lottery pick and Mitch is raw as ****.