Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:The passing is improving and that's really big.
I'd just like it if he calmed down a bit with the Ref's. Im ok with mixing it up with vets but he seems to lose his mind when a call goes wrong. Im sure coaches are working with him. Im not saying he has to be "clyde", but its a long season and players have to not use emotion to fuel them. Its a tough line of work to be in!!!

His personality won't allow that, he is a high energy passionate player and super aggressive, and most players play like their personality.

I guess you write like yours?

You want to meet up and see?

Whoa! Fistacuffs! That really took a turn quickly.

I think Knicks1248 wants a "write off"......Dancers dance, rappers rap....This will be battle of words.
I'll bring Frank, Tony Parker, Nick Batum, and of course Fred Weis!

So this was "The Threat"

I bring my words and maybe Rain....Um, Knick1248 is Frank Thomas jugging down bottles of "Nugenix" doing his "Briggs 6-4 280lb self proclaimed Troy Aikman" impersonation and I get midget tossed like Charlie Ward by PJ Brown? You think Frank and his "Legionnaires" got my back? All I got is Marv with an umbrella drink in hand grinning at my impending "Dinner With Herve" look while saying "Dude, Herve was French too!!" after telling me to "RUN"!!! Naw, i'll hide behind my snarky identity and keep my teeth.

Don't you have tickets to a "The Swarm" home game on Christmas day, anyway? It's not like you're going to shill out some serious shekels and have Triple's Lear pilot drop you off at LaGuardia so knicks1248 can crumple your goatskin jacket and get saliva all over you screaming "TTTTRRRRRriangle guard my azzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!" over and over.

I would bring the brie and baguettes if you did though.

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:The passing is improving and that's really big.
I'd just like it if he calmed down a bit with the Ref's. Im ok with mixing it up with vets but he seems to lose his mind when a call goes wrong. Im sure coaches are working with him. Im not saying he has to be "clyde", but its a long season and players have to not use emotion to fuel them. Its a tough line of work to be in!!!

His personality won't allow that, he is a high energy passionate player and super aggressive, and most players play like their personality.

I guess you write like yours?

You want to meet up and see?

Whoa! Fistacuffs! That really took a turn quickly.

I think Knicks1248 wants a "write off"......Dancers dance, rappers rap....This will be battle of words.
I'll bring Frank, Tony Parker, Nick Batum, and of course Fred Weis!

So this was "The Threat"

I bring my words and maybe Rain....Um, Knick1248 is Frank Thomas jugging down bottles of "Nugenix" doing his "Briggs 6-4 280lb self proclaimed Troy Aikman" impersonation and I get midget tossed like Charlie Ward by PJ Brown? You think Frank and his "Legionnaires" got my back? All I got is Marv with an umbrella drink in hand grinning at my impending "Dinner With Herve" look while saying "Dude, Herve was French too!!" after telling me to "RUN"!!! Naw, i'll hide behind my snarky identity and keep my teeth.

Don't you have tickets to a "The Swarm" home game on Christmas day, anyway? It's not like you're going to shill out some serious shekels and have Triple's Lear pilot drop you off at LaGuardia so knicks1248 can crumple your goatskin jacket and get saliva all over you screaming "TTTTRRRRRriangle guard my azzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!" over and over.

I would bring the brie and baguettes if you did though.

this is portending well for a kerry ‘20 campaign. break out the wind surfboards.

arkrud wrote:He is NBA player.
His body and mind are ready for the job.
Same can be said for Dot and Vanley.
Knox, Mithc, and Frank are years away.
When they will be 22 they may get there.
There are no miracles. At least not in NY.

Trier remind me so much of rookie Allen Iverson .. a young combo-guard.
Frank remind me of a young Trevor Ariza .. only thing Ariza were a 2nd round pick, and Fans big expectation of Frank not being a high scoring guard (DSJ) at the 8th pick in the draft. Fans forgot the Knicks were LOSERS having two shoot-first players who never passed the ball in Melo/KP who also took 35 to 40 shots combine in a game on 39% fga shooting (plus FA D.Rose), when Phil Jackson selected a pass-first guard Frank in the draft.
Dotson's performance disappointed me in the SLG, but Dotson stepped up his level of 2-Way performance in the preseason games.
Knox MitchRob and Trier put on a very good show boat performance in the SLG, the trio showed all types of athletic potential.
Yes! the Knicks has way to many young guards on the roster (PG Mudiay, PG Burke, PG Frank, PG Trier, SG Dotson, and so-so decision-making SG Timmy) that all need playing time (NOW) in the 2018-19 season.

To bad Mills/Perry wasn't bright enough to sign the Spurs HOF Tony Parker in the offseason as a player/coach/mentor for all our potential gaurds !!!

Right now, Mudiay is our only pure PG- Burke is more tweaner - small shooting guard that has to play PG because he isn't 6'6".

franco12 wrote:to get back on topic - I don't see Trier as a PG. Maybe an attacking combo guard, probably off the bench for a while.

Right now, Mudiay is our only pure PG- Burke is more tweaner - small shooting guard that has to play PG because he isn't 6'6".

I know it when I see it, but this pure PG thing I question as Im not sure what our style of ball is. Mudiay does push the ball in transition but so does Trier. In half court set the probing is also done by them and Timmy. This is where Burke is very good at until he get tied up. Then its ugly for him. Frank does not get tied up because he moves the ball "too soon". Running Pick and roll Frank is excellent at passing but lacks that last burst/confidence to keep it to the rim. Ok, that and his outside shot Too!! Trier in the paint has the knack like earl Monroe (not comparing)to bounce off defenders and create space. He gets blocked but he is getting there and getting to the line.
whats the answer?? I don't know the upside to Mudiay but for now the games are fun and the intrigue is there. Curious to see if Frank is able to continue the Fiz method of re-education from the bench.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

franco12 wrote:to get back on topic - I don't see Trier as a PG. Maybe an attacking combo guard, probably off the bench for a while.

Right now, Mudiay is our only pure PG- Burke is more tweaner - small shooting guard that has to play PG because he isn't 6'6".

I would argue that Mudiay is definitely not a pure PG. We have a group of combo guards. We need a pure PG, like Bledsoe or Rubio. Both are free agents. For the right cost this summer, you would see a world of difference with one of them. Mudiay can still develop into one though, but he's nowhere near there now. But he's the closest thing we have currently.

I don't see Bledsoe as a pure PG. He's more of a physically gifted version of Burke. Rubio is good, but he's only as good as the players around him. He might make sense if Durant signs and the other roster pieces flesh out.

If Durant signs then it alleviates a need for a pure PG, as he will be a primary playmaker. If we don't get Durant, we absolutely need a pure PG. Bledsoe scores like Burke, but he also plays D and gets teammates much more involved. He's a better all-around player and PG. Rubio is a pure PG who lacks the scoring to be a star, which we don't necessarily need with KP, Knox, Hardaway, Trier, Dotson, etc, so he could be an excellent fit in a lineup meant to surround KP properly.

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

franco12 wrote:to get back on topic - I don't see Trier as a PG. Maybe an attacking combo guard, probably off the bench for a while.

Right now, Mudiay is our only pure PG- Burke is more tweaner - small shooting guard that has to play PG because he isn't 6'6".

I would argue that Mudiay is definitely not a pure PG. We have a group of combo guards. We need a pure PG, like Bledsoe or Rubio. Both are free agents. For the right cost this summer, you would see a world of difference with one of them. Mudiay can still develop into one though, but he's nowhere near there now. But he's the closest thing we have currently.

I don't see Bledsoe as a pure PG. He's more of a physically gifted version of Burke. Rubio is good, but he's only as good as the players around him. He might make sense if Durant signs and the other roster pieces flesh out.

If Durant signs then it alleviates a need for a pure PG, as he will be a primary playmaker. If we don't get Durant, we absolutely need a pure PG. Bledsoe scores like Burke, but he also plays D and gets teammates much more involved. He's a better all-around player and PG. Rubio is a pure PG who lacks the scoring to be a star, which we don't necessarily need with KP, Knox, Hardaway, Trier, Dotson, etc, so he could be an excellent fit in a lineup meant to surround KP properly.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

franco12 wrote:to get back on topic - I don't see Trier as a PG. Maybe an attacking combo guard, probably off the bench for a while.

Right now, Mudiay is our only pure PG- Burke is more tweaner - small shooting guard that has to play PG because he isn't 6'6".

I would argue that Mudiay is definitely not a pure PG. We have a group of combo guards. We need a pure PG, like Bledsoe or Rubio. Both are free agents. For the right cost this summer, you would see a world of difference with one of them. Mudiay can still develop into one though, but he's nowhere near there now. But he's the closest thing we have currently.

I don't see Bledsoe as a pure PG. He's more of a physically gifted version of Burke. Rubio is good, but he's only as good as the players around him. He might make sense if Durant signs and the other roster pieces flesh out.

If Durant signs then it alleviates a need for a pure PG, as he will be a primary playmaker. If we don't get Durant, we absolutely need a pure PG. Bledsoe scores like Burke, but he also plays D and gets teammates much more involved. He's a better all-around player and PG. Rubio is a pure PG who lacks the scoring to be a star, which we don't necessarily need with KP, Knox, Hardaway, Trier, Dotson, etc, so he could be an excellent fit in a lineup meant to surround KP properly.

I thought the knicks were stupid for not trading for bledsoe last season

Noah, frank and a protected 1st was all that was needed.

Now they had to eat Noahs contract, frank looks nothing like an nba PG, and Mudiay would have been a solid back up to Bledose--point guard position would have been solidify

Trier is not a pg, and struggles with the rest of his game when giving pg responsibilities

I think trading a 1st is a bad idea in general, but i understand your point. But we could have him for free this summer as a free agent (and have plenty of space to resign Mudiay on a short-term contract as his backup if we want.) If we strike out on the top free agents, i am all for Bledsoe or Rubio. We need a PG badly. We can't waste Porzingis' early prime years without a reliable PG. Age is always a concern, but if we sign either player to a 3 or 4 year deal we can work towards developing an eventual replacement in the meantime thru the draft and internal development. I am fine being patient with all other positions. Let Robinson, Porzingis, Knox, Vonleh, Trier, Dotson, Ntilikina etc develop and get their minutes accordingly and take their lumps, but the PG position needs to be a impact playmaker who can create plays for these guys, as it will accelerate their development. KP, Knox, and Robinson especially need quality PG play in order to properly develop and fulfill their potential.

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

franco12 wrote:to get back on topic - I don't see Trier as a PG. Maybe an attacking combo guard, probably off the bench for a while.

Right now, Mudiay is our only pure PG- Burke is more tweaner - small shooting guard that has to play PG because he isn't 6'6".

I would argue that Mudiay is definitely not a pure PG. We have a group of combo guards. We need a pure PG, like Bledsoe or Rubio. Both are free agents. For the right cost this summer, you would see a world of difference with one of them. Mudiay can still develop into one though, but he's nowhere near there now. But he's the closest thing we have currently.

I don't see Bledsoe as a pure PG. He's more of a physically gifted version of Burke. Rubio is good, but he's only as good as the players around him. He might make sense if Durant signs and the other roster pieces flesh out.

If Durant signs then it alleviates a need for a pure PG, as he will be a primary playmaker. If we don't get Durant, we absolutely need a pure PG. Bledsoe scores like Burke, but he also plays D and gets teammates much more involved. He's a better all-around player and PG. Rubio is a pure PG who lacks the scoring to be a star, which we don't necessarily need with KP, Knox, Hardaway, Trier, Dotson, etc, so he could be an excellent fit in a lineup meant to surround KP properly.

I thought the knicks were stupid for not trading for bledsoe last season

Noah, frank and a protected 1st was all that was needed.

Now they had to eat Noahs contract, frank looks nothing like an nba PG, and Mudiay would have been a solid back up to Bledose--point guard position would have been solidify

Trier is not a pg, and struggles with the rest of his game when giving pg responsibilities

Can't be accurate. The going rate to trade Noah away with 2.8(estimation with the .8)yrs would be at least 2 future first round picks alone. When you add Bledsoe to the mix your going to have to increase the value even further.

Knicks made a play for Bledsoe then odds are they lose out on his prime years with not enough overall talent. While also shipping away the future assets necessary to add the talent necessary. Not only that but he would be due to re up his contract this off season so you would have to increase his salary to at least 20 mil meaning not shot at a FA. Possible Bledsoe would have cost the Knicks Knox as well if that pick wasn't lottery protected. These are the many factors that go into making a play for Bledsoe last season.

There are no short cuts. Obtain as much assets as possible so that when you do make moves for guys like Bledsoe there isnt much of a draw back. Like what Miluakee did.

Yeah i don't think you should deal assets for a 2nd tier player like Bledsoe, but to me signing him as a free agent is a different story. A team led by KP, Hardaway, and Bledsoe will make the playoffs in the east, and the development of Knox, Robinson, Dotson, etc, and further development from KP will allow for high upside. The only thing you risk of course is not keeping a max slot open year after year just in case. But you can only do that for so long.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

franco12 wrote:to get back on topic - I don't see Trier as a PG. Maybe an attacking combo guard, probably off the bench for a while.

Right now, Mudiay is our only pure PG- Burke is more tweaner - small shooting guard that has to play PG because he isn't 6'6".

I would argue that Mudiay is definitely not a pure PG. We have a group of combo guards. We need a pure PG, like Bledsoe or Rubio. Both are free agents. For the right cost this summer, you would see a world of difference with one of them. Mudiay can still develop into one though, but he's nowhere near there now. But he's the closest thing we have currently.

I don't see Bledsoe as a pure PG. He's more of a physically gifted version of Burke. Rubio is good, but he's only as good as the players around him. He might make sense if Durant signs and the other roster pieces flesh out.

If Durant signs then it alleviates a need for a pure PG, as he will be a primary playmaker. If we don't get Durant, we absolutely need a pure PG. Bledsoe scores like Burke, but he also plays D and gets teammates much more involved. He's a better all-around player and PG. Rubio is a pure PG who lacks the scoring to be a star, which we don't necessarily need with KP, Knox, Hardaway, Trier, Dotson, etc, so he could be an excellent fit in a lineup meant to surround KP properly.

I thought the knicks were stupid for not trading for bledsoe last season

Noah, frank and a protected 1st was all that was needed.

Now they had to eat Noahs contract, frank looks nothing like an nba PG, and Mudiay would have been a solid back up to Bledose--point guard position would have been solidify

Trier is not a pg, and struggles with the rest of his game when giving pg responsibilities

Can't be accurate. The going rate to trade Noah away with 2.8(estimation with the .8)yrs would be at least 2 future first round picks alone. When you add Bledsoe to the mix your going to have to increase the value even further.

Knicks made a play for Bledsoe then odds are they lose out on his prime years with not enough overall talent. While also shipping away the future assets necessary to add the talent necessary. Not only that but he would be due to re up his contract this off season so you would have to increase his salary to at least 20 mil meaning not shot at a FA. Possible Bledsoe would have cost the Knicks Knox as well if that pick wasn't lottery protected. These are the many factors that go into making a play for Bledsoe last season.

There are no short cuts. Obtain as much assets as possible so that when you do make moves for guys like Bledsoe there isnt much of a draw back. Like what Miluakee did.

Yeah i don't think you should deal assets for a 2nd tier player like Bledsoe, but to me signing him as a free agent is a different story. A team led by KP, Hardaway, and Bledsoe will make the playoffs in the east, and the development of Knox, Robinson, Dotson, etc, and further development from KP will allow for high upside. The only thing you risk of course is not keeping a max slot open year after year just in case. But you can only do that for so long.

Why would Bledsoe leave Miluakee for the Knicks though?

Bledsoe will also be 29 and looking for a 4-5 year deal with as much money as possible since it will be his last in prime years. Which means we would only get maybe 2 prime years out of his deal. Knicks need to look for a PG that fits the timeline. KP will hit his prime in 2 yrs at 25-26.

I really like Monte Morris out of Denver. They don't have any incentive to move him at the moment. But with Jamal Murray being the PG of the future maybe he could be had in the right deal. His value shouldn't be to crazy since he isn't established as of yet. But he has maintained his efficiency dating back to college. He has strong floor general instincts. I can see him getting really really good in 2 season.

He was a guy along with Josh Hart I was hoping the Knicks would land in last years draft. Though I am very happy with Dotson.

Milwaukee has to pay Middleton, Brogdon and Bledsoe. They try to avoid tax too. Same with UTAH and Rubio. Things get expensive for these small market teams.