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nyk2017
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11/20/2018  6:58 PM
Scott Perry, you should contact Philly and offer them Lee, Frank for Fulyz and an expiring contract. i have a feeling, things are about to go south in Philly for Fultz.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25331596/markelle-fultz-philadelphia-76ers-see-shoulder-specialist
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11/20/2018  7:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2018  7:07 PM
No way would I trade Frank for Fultz. Not sure if you have seen him play but his shot looks like Charles Barkley's golf swing. UGLY!
Fultz also isn't going to play now, his agent wants him to see a shoulder specialist. Not even the team is asking this, his agent is. Strange!
Briggs-- Frank is 2 yrs away from being 2 years away
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11/20/2018  7:10 PM
I'd have to think about it if we get rid of Lee for an expiring. Would that help us get an additional max guy?
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11/20/2018  7:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/20/2018  7:20 PM
The way frank is playing, he will be out of the league in a few years. He has not improved at all this year. He shows no initiative to score. he brings the ball up the court, passes it off and disappears on offense (95%) of the plays. He is a good on the ball defender, but once the defender comes at him fast, he does not have the quickness to defend.
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11/20/2018  8:47 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:I'd have to think about it if we get rid of Lee for an expiring. Would that help us get an additional max guy?
Also, do they trade him to a team in the east? They already traded Tatum and a pick to the Celtics. That deal could haunt them for a decade.
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11/20/2018  9:52 PM
Fultz is soft.

He would never survive in NY.

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11/20/2018  10:16 PM
Frank is better than Fultz. He has a role in the league at least. Fultz really has nothing to offer right now.
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11/20/2018  11:03 PM
nyk2017 wrote:Scott Perry, you should contact Philly and offer them Lee, Frank for Fulyz and an expiring contract. i have a feeling, things are about to go south in Philly for Fultz.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25331596/markelle-fultz-philadelphia-76ers-see-shoulder-specialist


If Philly offers that trade ( they won't) then the Knicks should take it.

Zero reason to trade Fultz now. He's still on a rookie cost controlled deal and his ceiling is still very high. The early returns are pretty ugly though. That Tatum is doing so well is not helping matters from a perception standpoint.

On the angle that this becomes a legal matter ( i.e. duty of care with the 76ers medical staff and front office ), even if Philly was in the wrong, the league won't let it go much further. By extension, any implication that the 76ers were negligent would infer the league administration itself was also negligent in oversight. The slippery slope from it would not be good for the league.

If Fultz is traded, he'll go West. Some rumors I've heard is that the 76ers and Suns are in some preliminary discussions.
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11/21/2018  7:44 AM
Please equate Fultz to a chick?
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11/21/2018  10:11 AM
Or an ugly divorcee with a speech impediment on Facebook?
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11/21/2018  11:17 AM
I don't get the Fultz logic at all -- something not right with the kid, he's got Chuck Knoblach throwing to first base issues.

I'd rather trade for a guy who is hurt but expected to return healthy

And I don't want to trade Frank. That guy continues to be a force on defense. Last night was exhibit A in how effective he was in disrupting Lillard's shots. It's akin to KP patrolling the paint. the opponent just has to play differently than it would otherwise

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11/21/2018  12:01 PM
It's just reported he's seeing a shoulder specialist and will be out for who knows how long. I dont really want to include Frank in a trade for this mess right now.
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11/21/2018  12:06 PM
Chandler wrote:I don't get the Fultz logic at all -- something not right with the kid, he's got Chuck Knoblach throwing to first base issues.

I'd rather trade for a guy who is hurt but expected to return healthy

And I don't want to trade Frank. That guy continues to be a force on defense. Last night was exhibit A in how effective he was in disrupting Lillard's shots. It's akin to KP patrolling the paint. the opponent just has to play differently than it would otherwise

The isn't any logic.

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11/21/2018  12:09 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:It's just reported he's seeing a shoulder specialist and will be out for who knows how long. I dont really want to include Frank in a trade for this mess right now.
Yeah but then I heard that he attended a voluntary shoot around with the team yesterday after it was reported he was going to stay away. I think his agent wants to get him right and maybe save his reputation.
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11/21/2018  12:28 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
Chandler wrote:I don't get the Fultz logic at all -- something not right with the kid, he's got Chuck Knoblach throwing to first base issues.

I'd rather trade for a guy who is hurt but expected to return healthy

And I don't want to trade Frank. That guy continues to be a force on defense. Last night was exhibit A in how effective he was in disrupting Lillard's shots. It's akin to KP patrolling the paint. the opponent just has to play differently than it would otherwise

The isn't any logic.

The logic is how to combine young players development and used-to-be bust evaluation with tanking and look innocent in the process...
So far so good...

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11/21/2018  12:46 PM
arkrud wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Chandler wrote:I don't get the Fultz logic at all -- something not right with the kid, he's got Chuck Knoblach throwing to first base issues.

I'd rather trade for a guy who is hurt but expected to return healthy

And I don't want to trade Frank. That guy continues to be a force on defense. Last night was exhibit A in how effective he was in disrupting Lillard's shots. It's akin to KP patrolling the paint. the opponent just has to play differently than it would otherwise

The isn't any logic.

The logic is how to combine young players development and used-to-be bust evaluation with tanking and look innocent in the process...
So far so good...

dude the entire NBA and the most casual fan can see that we have no real interest in winning games, in the process of that, our young players look like trash most nights(which is why we are losing so consistently). Noah, burke, and mudiay have look decent after 4 seasons in the NBA, and a final chance at redemption.

Evaluation is all Mills knows how to do.

Think kyrie, and KD or any top FA is looking at the knicks rookies like, like MAAAAN i would love to play with them

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11/21/2018  1:33 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Chandler wrote:I don't get the Fultz logic at all -- something not right with the kid, he's got Chuck Knoblach throwing to first base issues.

I'd rather trade for a guy who is hurt but expected to return healthy

And I don't want to trade Frank. That guy continues to be a force on defense. Last night was exhibit A in how effective he was in disrupting Lillard's shots. It's akin to KP patrolling the paint. the opponent just has to play differently than it would otherwise

The isn't any logic.

The logic is how to combine young players development and used-to-be bust evaluation with tanking and look innocent in the process...
So far so good...

dude the entire NBA and the most casual fan can see that we have no real interest in winning games, in the process of that, our young players look like trash most nights(which is why we are losing so consistently). Noah, burke, and mudiay have look decent after 4 seasons in the NBA, and a final chance at redemption.

Evaluation is all Mills knows how to do.

Think kyrie, and KD or any top FA is looking at the knicks rookies like, like MAAAAN i would love to play with them

Its his job. He is on the clock. You get to be all kinds of genius in retrospect. Your not on the clock.
"Redemption"? From what? They didn't fall from grace because in the NBA they never reached it.
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11/21/2018  1:42 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Chandler wrote:I don't get the Fultz logic at all -- something not right with the kid, he's got Chuck Knoblach throwing to first base issues.

I'd rather trade for a guy who is hurt but expected to return healthy

And I don't want to trade Frank. That guy continues to be a force on defense. Last night was exhibit A in how effective he was in disrupting Lillard's shots. It's akin to KP patrolling the paint. the opponent just has to play differently than it would otherwise

The isn't any logic.

The logic is how to combine young players development and used-to-be bust evaluation with tanking and look innocent in the process...
So far so good...

dude the entire NBA and the most casual fan can see that we have no real interest in winning games, in the process of that, our young players look like trash most nights(which is why we are losing so consistently). Noah, burke, and mudiay have look decent after 4 seasons in the NBA, and a final chance at redemption.

Evaluation is all Mills knows how to do.

Think kyrie, and KD or any top FA is looking at the knicks rookies like, like MAAAAN i would love to play with them

You really need to adjust your expectations here. We have young players like Robinson and Trier who look exceptional. Most would argue we got the best value out of that entire draft with Robinson, Trier, and Knox. Development is the key of course, but there is some young talent here that no one expected we have. This draft could be the turning point. Bring KP back into the mix and we are good. You just have to live with the losing, this is what rebuilding is. I really don't know what else you expect here.
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11/21/2018  2:17 PM
Knixkik wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Chandler wrote:I don't get the Fultz logic at all -- something not right with the kid, he's got Chuck Knoblach throwing to first base issues.

I'd rather trade for a guy who is hurt but expected to return healthy

And I don't want to trade Frank. That guy continues to be a force on defense. Last night was exhibit A in how effective he was in disrupting Lillard's shots. It's akin to KP patrolling the paint. the opponent just has to play differently than it would otherwise

The isn't any logic.

The logic is how to combine young players development and used-to-be bust evaluation with tanking and look innocent in the process...
So far so good...

dude the entire NBA and the most casual fan can see that we have no real interest in winning games, in the process of that, our young players look like trash most nights(which is why we are losing so consistently). Noah, burke, and mudiay have look decent after 4 seasons in the NBA, and a final chance at redemption.

Evaluation is all Mills knows how to do.

Think kyrie, and KD or any top FA is looking at the knicks rookies like, like MAAAAN i would love to play with them

You really need to adjust your expectations here. We have young players like Robinson and Trier who look exceptional. Most would argue we got the best value out of that entire draft with Robinson, Trier, and Knox. Development is the key of course, but there is some young talent here that no one expected we have. This draft could be the turning point. Bring KP back into the mix and we are good. You just have to live with the losing, this is what rebuilding is. I really don't know what else you expect here.

I agree w a lot of this. Knox needs to get going some time soon and will be key. We got super value with Mitch and Trier

Having said all of that, I wouldn't touch a Fultz trade and certainly not one involving Frank

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11/21/2018  3:36 PM
Knox has a way to go still. No need to panic just yet. Not even close.
Trier is a value, but to what degree? MoneyMitch is about what I expected.
Frank's shoulders are bothering him. Not me so much as RainMan1248. Whats his breakout two games the new norm or this injured version?
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