meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Chandler wrote:
I think this was a gross miscalculation by the FO concerning Mudiay, Vonleh, Burke and Hezonja. This is the epitome of heads they win; tails we lose.

Heads they win: If these players develop this year, what do we gain from that? It's not like we retain control on a team friendly contract. Instead, their improved plays just ups their contract expectations. DO not expect a home team discount (this caliber of player will rightfully want to make as much as they can on their next contract, because it might be their last; the best we can hope is that we have a matching offer and they choose us out of loyalty)

Tails we lose: Regardless of whether they develop, every minute they consume is at the expense of playing time for the youths we have on team friendly contracts and who we expect to remain with the team

I continue to think we would have been better served getting some cheaper vets (not as old as Jack) who can at least teach the youths how to get it done

I also think it's extreme hubris to profess that we'll succeed in development where Portland, Denver, Indiana, Utah failed -- those are quality programs

Having said all of that, because I am a fan I will continue to pull for them.

I want Mudiay to shoot with balance, attack the rim, and work on your FTs -- it's an embarrassment that you're at roughly 50%. For god's sake, Mitchell robinson is better at the stripe than you at the moment. Stop pretending to be Michael Jordan. Keep your shots simple

Vonleh, happy with him -- perhaps because of lower expectations. Needs to avoid dumb fouls, and stay positive

Burke, he needs to score. He can only contribute to this team if he outscores his opponents, he's not going to be a contributor on defense, and for that matter not much of a passer. There is still a role for his skill set though if he embraces it

Hezonja a lost soul. Always looking for the home run. I don't see him in the NBA next year (maybe not even the remainder of this one, when they sign Trier).

Agree with you. Some will say they have nothing to lose. But they have everything thing to lose. The Knicks have always been a poor development organization. I can’t get over how the are screwing Frank over. I told you guys a stupid move like playing Mudiay who is atrocious over him will result in possibly losing Frank and it’s happening right before our eyes. For some reason they have taken his agreesivness away on offense by avoiding the pass to him. Frank knows this and he doesn’t even look at the basket anymore he just swings the ball to another player even when he should launch the shot. Man Fizz is dropping the ball here he is treating him as a Phil pick. How long before he does that to KP.

Fiz is the reason Frank isn't aggressive on offense now? Fiz is going to be blamed if Frank doesn't pan out as a draft pick? This doesn't make sense to me. Frank has not been aggressive on offense since he became a knick. He was in the starting line up for the first 14 games despite his lack of aggressiveness and his offense did not improve. Frank is a passive player on the offensive side of the ball. Not sure how that is on Fiz. I do agree though that Frank is going to lose minutes to Mudiay but that is on Frank. Earlier in the season you thought Frank's offensive struggles were because he was fatigued.

Yes it is Fizz’s fault. Frank has always been willing passer and he did take shots maybe not as many as he should. If you watch the game there were trips when Frank never touched the ball. You can see the he is being Ostracized. Fizz doesn’t know wtf he is doing. This is the guy who went to Memphis and jerk around with their star player. You see Memphis they dump him and they are winning again. Frank needs to start and he needs to play he needs to be given a green light from the coach. Frank hasn’t been a good shooter but he has taken shots. If the coach can’t get Frank to shoot then it’s on the coach.

They were 7-6 when Conley went down last year. Conley is back this year and the team is much better. Bickerstaff did not win without Conley. Not sure where this is coming from. Frank seemed to have a free pass to stay on as a starter for most of this season so far. When he and Lance were in together it was dreadful. Fiz has said he wants Frank to be aggressive on offense. Frank has said Fiz wants him to be aggressive on offense. Fiz has called Frank too unselfish. He has talked about showing him film over and over again where Frank had an open shot or path to the basket that he passed up. This isn't about Frank being a Phil pick or Frank being ostracized. He needs to be more aggressive on the offensive side of the ball. That isn't news he just isn't doing it.

Spot on!!! And to add to that, when Knox came off the bench, he didn't have any problems finding shots! Neither did Trier, or Trey or even Dotson....so why is Frank the only one struggling to find shots?! Spare me the ostracized BS!! Maybe he's hesitant to pull the trigger because he's 17 % from 3 over the last 6 games or so? The questions we had about Frank last year with Coach Hornacek, are the same questions we have today with his 2nd coach..its time Frank take some responsibility...

I might be watching different games than you all. I saw Frank initially do well in the starting line up. However, opponents then started to pressure the ball more and Frank regressed. Then in the interest of staying aggressive he started rushing shots (by his standard) -- and yes he did play passive, tentative. But isn't that the point of development -- to evolve past those issues. I'll keep my fingers crossed that benching and demoting might trigger a response, that Fizz really means it, and he insists that Frank address it. It might work. Personally, I think they need to set particular and small goals for him, e.g., spots on the floor where he is good and he shouldn't hesitate. Xavier McDaniel had like two spots he would shoot from.

And perhaps OT to a degree, but the current NBA is barely watchable. Every game has a score like an All Star game/Globetrotters. Star treatment. The season is largely a joke where everyone knows GS only needs to play average by their standards, and avoid injuries, to win it all. You have to imagine at some point the NBA is going to react and trend back towards rules and calls that will allow more defense

Turning back to Mudiay, though, the question is still pending: what was the FO rationally expecting? If he develops he'll want to get paid and when lose him. If he doesn't there's an opportunity cost in terms of others' development.

Are you talking about the start of the season when he was playing off the ball or when he became the starting point guard? His offense was a lot better the first few games that he started at the point but then regressed again. I agree about the NBA being unwatchable.

yes the first few games he started. His mechanics look smooth enough, and he's usually shooting with balance. WHat he's missing is rhythm (and confidence of course). He's not a slasher. He scored off ball, or if a defender was really sagging off of him

The troubling part IMO is when other teams started pressuring him, it didn't take tons of it to disrupt his offensive contribution. He certainly needs to work on that in a big way. Having said that, I still think as a team we play better with him on the court and though I haven't checked lately the stats seemed to bear that out.

Your assessment is fair. I think they should have told him it's his team to run and let him start every game. I also think Fiz is missing out on how to build his confidence up and that may do long term damage or it may spur him to respond in a different way. I am definitely hoping for the latter. He still makes the team better and the are several posters here who choose to focus on ONLY the negative when it comes to Frank. They have been doing that since last year, oddly enough I don't see any of them focusing on the negatives of Spice. It's clear cut agenda driven posting. What confuses me is why they hate Frank, and I think it's something as petty as him being picked during the Phil era.

Just curious, why do you think anyone that roots for the Knicks hates Frank? Once a guy puts on the uniform don't you root for them?

Simple. People find negative stuff to post about him, but don't post anything negative about Burke, Mudiay or Knox. When all their games leave a lot to be desired, most of them have never done anything at an NBA level. But these posters always just post about Frank's lack of scoring, never once post about lack of defense by all their own favorite players. It's a fairly transparent double standard. Especially since they claim to support Frank, which makes them hypocrites in my opinion.

This board has been littered with Mudiay is garbage or he isn't apart of the future so why is he playing, or even though he's 22, his window is pretty much closed in terms becoming an above average player...etc...People are constantly knocking Burke's size or lack thereof, being inefficient on the defensive end or his tunnel vision from time to time....As much as I root for Knox, I've pointed out how he needs to go stronger to the basket and use his size as opposed to try to avoid contact....

People see what they want to see and nitpick certain posts...

I don't care about 500 word dissertations about why Mudiay is so horrible and why they were right about him being trash. I care about players helping my team win. If I called a player out and was proven wrong I would happily say "my bad." But suspect some care more about their forum rep than seeing a player help "their team" have success.

I've been all over the map about Mudiay because his play has been all over the map. I don't care about accurately forecast his stardom or being a bust. I want the guy to play well and help the Knicks. That's my personal desire.

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Chandler wrote:
I think this was a gross miscalculation by the FO concerning Mudiay, Vonleh, Burke and Hezonja. This is the epitome of heads they win; tails we lose.

Heads they win: If these players develop this year, what do we gain from that? It's not like we retain control on a team friendly contract. Instead, their improved plays just ups their contract expectations. DO not expect a home team discount (this caliber of player will rightfully want to make as much as they can on their next contract, because it might be their last; the best we can hope is that we have a matching offer and they choose us out of loyalty)

Tails we lose: Regardless of whether they develop, every minute they consume is at the expense of playing time for the youths we have on team friendly contracts and who we expect to remain with the team

I continue to think we would have been better served getting some cheaper vets (not as old as Jack) who can at least teach the youths how to get it done

I also think it's extreme hubris to profess that we'll succeed in development where Portland, Denver, Indiana, Utah failed -- those are quality programs

Having said all of that, because I am a fan I will continue to pull for them.

I want Mudiay to shoot with balance, attack the rim, and work on your FTs -- it's an embarrassment that you're at roughly 50%. For god's sake, Mitchell robinson is better at the stripe than you at the moment. Stop pretending to be Michael Jordan. Keep your shots simple

Vonleh, happy with him -- perhaps because of lower expectations. Needs to avoid dumb fouls, and stay positive

Burke, he needs to score. He can only contribute to this team if he outscores his opponents, he's not going to be a contributor on defense, and for that matter not much of a passer. There is still a role for his skill set though if he embraces it

Hezonja a lost soul. Always looking for the home run. I don't see him in the NBA next year (maybe not even the remainder of this one, when they sign Trier).

Agree with you. Some will say they have nothing to lose. But they have everything thing to lose. The Knicks have always been a poor development organization. I can’t get over how the are screwing Frank over. I told you guys a stupid move like playing Mudiay who is atrocious over him will result in possibly losing Frank and it’s happening right before our eyes. For some reason they have taken his agreesivness away on offense by avoiding the pass to him. Frank knows this and he doesn’t even look at the basket anymore he just swings the ball to another player even when he should launch the shot. Man Fizz is dropping the ball here he is treating him as a Phil pick. How long before he does that to KP.

Fiz is the reason Frank isn't aggressive on offense now? Fiz is going to be blamed if Frank doesn't pan out as a draft pick? This doesn't make sense to me. Frank has not been aggressive on offense since he became a knick. He was in the starting line up for the first 14 games despite his lack of aggressiveness and his offense did not improve. Frank is a passive player on the offensive side of the ball. Not sure how that is on Fiz. I do agree though that Frank is going to lose minutes to Mudiay but that is on Frank. Earlier in the season you thought Frank's offensive struggles were because he was fatigued.

Yes it is Fizz’s fault. Frank has always been willing passer and he did take shots maybe not as many as he should. If you watch the game there were trips when Frank never touched the ball. You can see the he is being Ostracized. Fizz doesn’t know wtf he is doing. This is the guy who went to Memphis and jerk around with their star player. You see Memphis they dump him and they are winning again. Frank needs to start and he needs to play he needs to be given a green light from the coach. Frank hasn’t been a good shooter but he has taken shots. If the coach can’t get Frank to shoot then it’s on the coach.

They were 7-6 when Conley went down last year. Conley is back this year and the team is much better. Bickerstaff did not win without Conley. Not sure where this is coming from. Frank seemed to have a free pass to stay on as a starter for most of this season so far. When he and Lance were in together it was dreadful. Fiz has said he wants Frank to be aggressive on offense. Frank has said Fiz wants him to be aggressive on offense. Fiz has called Frank too unselfish. He has talked about showing him film over and over again where Frank had an open shot or path to the basket that he passed up. This isn't about Frank being a Phil pick or Frank being ostracized. He needs to be more aggressive on the offensive side of the ball. That isn't news he just isn't doing it.

Spot on!!! And to add to that, when Knox came off the bench, he didn't have any problems finding shots! Neither did Trier, or Trey or even Dotson....so why is Frank the only one struggling to find shots?! Spare me the ostracized BS!! Maybe he's hesitant to pull the trigger because he's 17 % from 3 over the last 6 games or so? The questions we had about Frank last year with Coach Hornacek, are the same questions we have today with his 2nd coach..its time Frank take some responsibility...

I might be watching different games than you all. I saw Frank initially do well in the starting line up. However, opponents then started to pressure the ball more and Frank regressed. Then in the interest of staying aggressive he started rushing shots (by his standard) -- and yes he did play passive, tentative. But isn't that the point of development -- to evolve past those issues. I'll keep my fingers crossed that benching and demoting might trigger a response, that Fizz really means it, and he insists that Frank address it. It might work. Personally, I think they need to set particular and small goals for him, e.g., spots on the floor where he is good and he shouldn't hesitate. Xavier McDaniel had like two spots he would shoot from.

And perhaps OT to a degree, but the current NBA is barely watchable. Every game has a score like an All Star game/Globetrotters. Star treatment. The season is largely a joke where everyone knows GS only needs to play average by their standards, and avoid injuries, to win it all. You have to imagine at some point the NBA is going to react and trend back towards rules and calls that will allow more defense

Turning back to Mudiay, though, the question is still pending: what was the FO rationally expecting? If he develops he'll want to get paid and when lose him. If he doesn't there's an opportunity cost in terms of others' development.

Are you talking about the start of the season when he was playing off the ball or when he became the starting point guard? His offense was a lot better the first few games that he started at the point but then regressed again. I agree about the NBA being unwatchable.

yes the first few games he started. His mechanics look smooth enough, and he's usually shooting with balance. WHat he's missing is rhythm (and confidence of course). He's not a slasher. He scored off ball, or if a defender was really sagging off of him

The troubling part IMO is when other teams started pressuring him, it didn't take tons of it to disrupt his offensive contribution. He certainly needs to work on that in a big way. Having said that, I still think as a team we play better with him on the court and though I haven't checked lately the stats seemed to bear that out.

Your assessment is fair. I think they should have told him it's his team to run and let him start every game. I also think Fiz is missing out on how to build his confidence up and that may do long term damage or it may spur him to respond in a different way. I am definitely hoping for the latter. He still makes the team better and the are several posters here who choose to focus on ONLY the negative when it comes to Frank. They have been doing that since last year, oddly enough I don't see any of them focusing on the negatives of Spice. It's clear cut agenda driven posting. What confuses me is why they hate Frank, and I think it's something as petty as him being picked during the Phil era.

Just curious, why do you think anyone that roots for the Knicks hates Frank? Once a guy puts on the uniform don't you root for them?

Simple. People find negative stuff to post about him, but don't post anything negative about Burke, Mudiay or Knox. When all their games leave a lot to be desired, most of them have never done anything at an NBA level. But these posters always just post about Frank's lack of scoring, never once post about lack of defense by all their own favorite players. It's a fairly transparent double standard. Especially since they claim to support Frank, which makes them hypocrites in my opinion.

This board has been littered with Mudiay is garbage or he isn't apart of the future so why is he playing, or even though he's 22, his window is pretty much closed in terms becoming an above average player...etc...People are constantly knocking Burke's size or lack thereof, being inefficient on the defensive end or his tunnel vision from time to time....As much as I root for Knox, I've pointed out how he needs to go stronger to the basket and use his size as opposed to try to avoid contact....

People see what they want to see and nitpick certain posts...

They wanted the Knicks to focus all there development on Frank, knox, and mitch, just play those guys through every mistake, every bad shot, or no shot at all.

Right now burke and mudiay look much more promising than frank from a PG stand point.

Can't believe you would think Mudiay's and burke is keeping frank back, he had every opportunity that every player on this team has. frank is also the only player on the entire roster to play every single game this season. fiz did him a solid by not benching him (like burke) for his one sided play

YOu see things in absolutes in the moment. Fact is Frank is 20, still growing and offensively inconsistent. Burke is 26 small and a defensive liability. Mudiay is still an enigma but playing his best ball in his short career. Frank can still be a role player and future starter. It’s fluid.
It’s to one or the other. What knicks are not doing is playing a fluid type of passing basketball. This helps Burke and Trier. Mudiay is a good passer. when Burke and Trier get hot they are great. Burke played like this last year at times and its fun to watch. Sustainable type ball?
Trier at 6-4 might really be his replacement.
Frank future? Just like th knicks, its not absolute or clear.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Chandler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Chandler wrote:
I think this was a gross miscalculation by the FO concerning Mudiay, Vonleh, Burke and Hezonja. This is the epitome of heads they win; tails we lose.

Heads they win: If these players develop this year, what do we gain from that? It's not like we retain control on a team friendly contract. Instead, their improved plays just ups their contract expectations. DO not expect a home team discount (this caliber of player will rightfully want to make as much as they can on their next contract, because it might be their last; the best we can hope is that we have a matching offer and they choose us out of loyalty)

Tails we lose: Regardless of whether they develop, every minute they consume is at the expense of playing time for the youths we have on team friendly contracts and who we expect to remain with the team

I continue to think we would have been better served getting some cheaper vets (not as old as Jack) who can at least teach the youths how to get it done

I also think it's extreme hubris to profess that we'll succeed in development where Portland, Denver, Indiana, Utah failed -- those are quality programs

Having said all of that, because I am a fan I will continue to pull for them.

I want Mudiay to shoot with balance, attack the rim, and work on your FTs -- it's an embarrassment that you're at roughly 50%. For god's sake, Mitchell robinson is better at the stripe than you at the moment. Stop pretending to be Michael Jordan. Keep your shots simple

Vonleh, happy with him -- perhaps because of lower expectations. Needs to avoid dumb fouls, and stay positive

Burke, he needs to score. He can only contribute to this team if he outscores his opponents, he's not going to be a contributor on defense, and for that matter not much of a passer. There is still a role for his skill set though if he embraces it

Hezonja a lost soul. Always looking for the home run. I don't see him in the NBA next year (maybe not even the remainder of this one, when they sign Trier).

Agree with you. Some will say they have nothing to lose. But they have everything thing to lose. The Knicks have always been a poor development organization. I can’t get over how the are screwing Frank over. I told you guys a stupid move like playing Mudiay who is atrocious over him will result in possibly losing Frank and it’s happening right before our eyes. For some reason they have taken his agreesivness away on offense by avoiding the pass to him. Frank knows this and he doesn’t even look at the basket anymore he just swings the ball to another player even when he should launch the shot. Man Fizz is dropping the ball here he is treating him as a Phil pick. How long before he does that to KP.

Fiz is the reason Frank isn't aggressive on offense now? Fiz is going to be blamed if Frank doesn't pan out as a draft pick? This doesn't make sense to me. Frank has not been aggressive on offense since he became a knick. He was in the starting line up for the first 14 games despite his lack of aggressiveness and his offense did not improve. Frank is a passive player on the offensive side of the ball. Not sure how that is on Fiz. I do agree though that Frank is going to lose minutes to Mudiay but that is on Frank. Earlier in the season you thought Frank's offensive struggles were because he was fatigued.

Yes it is Fizz’s fault. Frank has always been willing passer and he did take shots maybe not as many as he should. If you watch the game there were trips when Frank never touched the ball. You can see the he is being Ostracized. Fizz doesn’t know wtf he is doing. This is the guy who went to Memphis and jerk around with their star player. You see Memphis they dump him and they are winning again. Frank needs to start and he needs to play he needs to be given a green light from the coach. Frank hasn’t been a good shooter but he has taken shots. If the coach can’t get Frank to shoot then it’s on the coach.

They were 7-6 when Conley went down last year. Conley is back this year and the team is much better. Bickerstaff did not win without Conley. Not sure where this is coming from. Frank seemed to have a free pass to stay on as a starter for most of this season so far. When he and Lance were in together it was dreadful. Fiz has said he wants Frank to be aggressive on offense. Frank has said Fiz wants him to be aggressive on offense. Fiz has called Frank too unselfish. He has talked about showing him film over and over again where Frank had an open shot or path to the basket that he passed up. This isn't about Frank being a Phil pick or Frank being ostracized. He needs to be more aggressive on the offensive side of the ball. That isn't news he just isn't doing it.

Spot on!!! And to add to that, when Knox came off the bench, he didn't have any problems finding shots! Neither did Trier, or Trey or even Dotson....so why is Frank the only one struggling to find shots?! Spare me the ostracized BS!! Maybe he's hesitant to pull the trigger because he's 17 % from 3 over the last 6 games or so? The questions we had about Frank last year with Coach Hornacek, are the same questions we have today with his 2nd coach..its time Frank take some responsibility...

I might be watching different games than you all. I saw Frank initially do well in the starting line up. However, opponents then started to pressure the ball more and Frank regressed. Then in the interest of staying aggressive he started rushing shots (by his standard) -- and yes he did play passive, tentative. But isn't that the point of development -- to evolve past those issues. I'll keep my fingers crossed that benching and demoting might trigger a response, that Fizz really means it, and he insists that Frank address it. It might work. Personally, I think they need to set particular and small goals for him, e.g., spots on the floor where he is good and he shouldn't hesitate. Xavier McDaniel had like two spots he would shoot from.

And perhaps OT to a degree, but the current NBA is barely watchable. Every game has a score like an All Star game/Globetrotters. Star treatment. The season is largely a joke where everyone knows GS only needs to play average by their standards, and avoid injuries, to win it all. You have to imagine at some point the NBA is going to react and trend back towards rules and calls that will allow more defense

Turning back to Mudiay, though, the question is still pending: what was the FO rationally expecting? If he develops he'll want to get paid and when lose him. If he doesn't there's an opportunity cost in terms of others' development.

Are you talking about the start of the season when he was playing off the ball or when he became the starting point guard? His offense was a lot better the first few games that he started at the point but then regressed again. I agree about the NBA being unwatchable.

yes the first few games he started. His mechanics look smooth enough, and he's usually shooting with balance. WHat he's missing is rhythm (and confidence of course). He's not a slasher. He scored off ball, or if a defender was really sagging off of him

The troubling part IMO is when other teams started pressuring him, it didn't take tons of it to disrupt his offensive contribution. He certainly needs to work on that in a big way. Having said that, I still think as a team we play better with him on the court and though I haven't checked lately the stats seemed to bear that out.

Your assessment is fair. I think they should have told him it's his team to run and let him start every game. I also think Fiz is missing out on how to build his confidence up and that may do long term damage or it may spur him to respond in a different way. I am definitely hoping for the latter. He still makes the team better and the are several posters here who choose to focus on ONLY the negative when it comes to Frank. They have been doing that since last year, oddly enough I don't see any of them focusing on the negatives of Spice. It's clear cut agenda driven posting. What confuses me is why they hate Frank, and I think it's something as petty as him being picked during the Phil era.

Just curious, why do you think anyone that roots for the Knicks hates Frank? Once a guy puts on the uniform don't you root for them?

Simple. People find negative stuff to post about him, but don't post anything negative about Burke, Mudiay or Knox. When all their games leave a lot to be desired, most of them have never done anything at an NBA level. But these posters always just post about Frank's lack of scoring, never once post about lack of defense by all their own favorite players. It's a fairly transparent double standard. Especially since they claim to support Frank, which makes them hypocrites in my opinion.

This board has been littered with Mudiay is garbage or he isn't apart of the future so why is he playing, or even though he's 22, his window is pretty much closed in terms becoming an above average player...etc...People are constantly knocking Burke's size or lack thereof, being inefficient on the defensive end or his tunnel vision from time to time....As much as I root for Knox, I've pointed out how he needs to go stronger to the basket and use his size as opposed to try to avoid contact....

People see what they want to see and nitpick certain posts...

They wanted the Knicks to focus all there development on Frank, knox, and mitch, just play those guys through every mistake, every bad shot, or no shot at all.

Right now burke and mudiay look much more promising than frank from a PG stand point.

Can't believe you would think Mudiay's and burke is keeping frank back, he had every opportunity that every player on this team has. frank is also the only player on the entire roster to play every single game this season. fiz did him a solid by not benching him (like burke) for his one sided play

YOu see things in absolutes in the moment. Fact is Frank is 20, still growing and offensively inconsistent. Burke is 26 small and a defensive liability. Mudiay is still an enigma but playing his best ball in his short career. Frank can still be a role player and future starter. It’s fluid.
It’s to one or the other. What knicks are not doing is playing a fluid type of passing basketball. This helps Burke and Trier. Mudiay is a good passer. when Burke and Trier get hot they are great. Burke played like this last year at times and its fun to watch. Sustainable type ball?
Trier at 6-4 might really be his replacement.
Frank future? Just like th knicks, its not absolute or clear.

Frank is very similar to Vonleh who was a lotto pick a fee seasons prior. Drafted for his unique combinations of skills but was young and raw and needed to build confidence. Vonlehs last few games has been a glimpse of why he was taken in the lottery. 3s, rebs, blks, stls, mobility/agility and length. May never be a go to scorer but provides utility in a variety of ways.

Frank just needs to knock down his 3s at an efficient rate, attack close outs when possible, and chip in across the board stls, blks, rebs, ast here and there while playing his usual strong defense. If he isn't going to be a stud lead guard then he would need to mold his game into this type of player.

Frank had 53 possessions vs Taytum, Lillard, CJ, & Holiday(11 possessions vs Holiday) last 3 games. He allowed 9 total points over those 53 possessions through 3 games vs elite offensive players)

May have to make a choice between Vonleh and Mudiay in the off season though as one of them may command the mid level if we sign a top flight FA and re-up KP. This is all of course based on Mudiay keeping the level of play he had vs Pelicans.

Nalod wrote:"confidence"? "stop growing"? (Players have problems shooting after a growth spurt). Fatigue? Has yet to find his man strength?
Thing is the kid does it but very inconsistent. Might still be a few years away, but isn't that how rebuilds go? Knox looks bloody awful too at times.
Then there is what Frank actually does to opponents when he is on the floor. Many fans are excited about his potential STILL!!!
Until then we can enjoy this process of working with some of these young players who wanted to be here with Fizz. Is being a team that becomes a good place for players to grow a bad thing? Hell no!!

PresIke wrote:Missed the game, but he's really had one of the most striking turn arounds I can recall of a player over the last few games.

Maybe Lin is the only one that stands out more, as it was also over a longer stretch.

No one with any semblance of sanity expected him to contribute much this season and I feel like a week or so ago was expected to be a likely candidate to be cut so Trier can stay on the roster.

Fiz is the biz. Hard to put it on anyone else.

He's starting to seem like a potential Pep Guardiola of the NBA.

CrushAlot wrote:

PresIke wrote:Missed the game, but he's really had one of the most striking turn arounds I can recall of a player over the last few games.

Maybe Lin is the only one that stands out more, as it was also over a longer stretch.

No one with any semblance of sanity expected him to contribute much this season and I feel like a week or so ago was expected to be a likely candidate to be cut so Trier can stay on the roster.

Fiz is the biz. Hard to put it on anyone else.

He's starting to seem like a potential Pep Guardiola of the NBA.

If there is a rewind you should watch it. Sometimes it's hard to watch when you know the outcome. This one won't be like that.
In regards to Mudiay, it is great to see a guy who looked like his career was almost over as an nba player put it together and play so well. Fiz has been awesome. Emotional moment when Mudiay hugged him at the end of the game. This was a special night.

I'll watch the rewind. Probably tomorrow. That one play is bananas, but Allan Hahn is very excited so led me to want to check it, and now hearing you say that as well adds to the curiosity.

anrst wrote:thing i can't shake about mudiay is he just seems dumb in interviews. this probably shouldn't matter, but i don't know of any lead guards for winning teams who have that dumb a look on their face all the time.

Dumbest post on UK. You seem dumb with every post you make. GTFOH!

PresIke wrote:Missed the game, but he's really had one of the most striking turn arounds I can recall of a player over the last few games.

Maybe Lin is the only one that stands out more, as it was also over a longer stretch.

No one with any semblance of sanity expected him to contribute much this season and I feel like a week or so ago was expected to be a likely candidate to be cut so Trier can stay on the roster.

Fiz is the biz. Hard to put it on anyone else.

He's starting to seem like a potential Pep Guardiola of the NBA.

It started when he decided to get himself in shape and take his career seriously. He always had talent and size.