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11/6/2018  9:06 AM
He's shooting lights out (not sustainable) and he gets to the line at will, and makes his free throws. He looks like a complete scorer. Made adjustments last night after a bad first half and hit a ton of big shots. How much of this is sustainable? What's his ceiling? Starting SG in the future?
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11/6/2018  9:32 AM
starter of the future.

can you imagine if frank had 25% of that confidence?

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11/6/2018  9:57 AM
The lights Frank sees in his rearview mirror is Trier. There is a consistent effort from Trier to take the fight to the other team, that we have yet to see from Frank.

To answer your question, until I saw those nifty passes from Trier last night, I thought 6th man.

Trier made a nice shovel pass last night which showed he can be more than a microwave type player, especially since Trier also plays D.

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11/6/2018  10:06 AM
Thoughts are more short term for this fan. I like what he is bringing and to me great off the bench microwave role.
That means he can finish the game. He looked great in absence of our three cornerstone players.....KP, KK and for now timmy.
I won't peg his future based on this role on a team whose roster will have big changes going forward.
He can be part of our future.
Thoughts: Not being drafted in second round really helped him. He will be a free agent. Too early to peg his value and who we draft.
Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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11/6/2018  10:27 AM
Any chance we could sign him long term on a Mitchell Robinson type deal?
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11/6/2018  10:31 AM
GustavBahler wrote:The lights Frank sees in his rearview mirror is Trier. There is a consistent effort from Trier to take the fight to the other team, that we have yet to see from Frank.

To answer your question, until I saw those nifty passes from Trier last night, I thought 6th man.

Trier made a nice shovel pass last night which showed he can be more than a microwave type player, especially since Trier also plays D.

I like the way you put that. I like Trier and think he has a real future. when was the last time we had a guard double teamed?

I am a bit worried about Frank and Fizz. If the Knicks wanted my opinion, i would suggest that they be very specific with Frank about when to exploit opportunities. You can't just tell him "be more agreesive" Instead it needs to be things like if you're off ball and you get the ball at the elbow you shoot. or if you're point you need to do a PnR with X and do one of these 2 things. He's very deferential by nature, which i prefer from a pg. When people say Mudiay had his best game as a knick and he gets 2 assist in 30 minutes and i can't remember either one, i'm like, Wow

DJMUSIC: Fisher talked a good game in Post game but aside from that Derek Fisher was ALL CHIT CHAT SH_t and produced nothing!
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11/6/2018  11:34 AM
I definitely love what I see. The best parts that I never expected were defense and hustle. Was he known for that at all in college? I think he realized he needed to bring that defense, hustle and energy to make it in the NBA and have a role with this team. Hopefully he doesn't start getting too comfortable and start to lack that extra hustle. I think teams will start to focus and help a lot off their men to stop him. Will Trier adjust well and set up his teammates? Is he too much of a ball stopper? I think the key is efficiency. If he is efficient then I don't mind him being a little bit of a ball stopper. If he becomes closer to Melo where he stops the ball and only shoots in the low 40% range then I'm not a fan.
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11/6/2018  12:15 PM
SkyWalker wrote:I definitely love what I see. The best parts that I never expected were defense and hustle. Was he known for that at all in college? I think he realized he needed to bring that defense, hustle and energy to make it in the NBA and have a role with this team. Hopefully he doesn't start getting too comfortable and start to lack that extra hustle. I think teams will start to focus and help a lot off their men to stop him. Will Trier adjust well and set up his teammates? Is he too much of a ball stopper? I think the key is efficiency. If he is efficient then I don't mind him being a little bit of a ball stopper. If he becomes closer to Melo where he stops the ball and only shoots in the low 40% range then I'm not a fan.

He sees guys like Burke and Kanter get benched while guys like Frank, Dotson, Robinson get starts. Fiz preaches defense first and foremost so he know in order to be out in the conversation for PT he needs to bring it defensively. Him looking to create for others though will be the main difference with him being a 6th man microwave and him being a starter and maybe more.

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11/6/2018  1:09 PM
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GustavBahler wrote:The lights Frank sees in his rearview mirror is Trier. There is a consistent effort from Trier to take the fight to the other team, that we have yet to see from Frank.

To answer your question, until I saw those nifty passes from Trier last night, I thought 6th man.

Trier made a nice shovel pass last night which showed he can be more than a microwave type player, especially since Trier also plays D.

I like the way you put that. I like Trier and think he has a real future. when was the last time we had a guard double teamed?

I am a bit worried about Frank and Fizz. If the Knicks wanted my opinion, i would suggest that they be very specific with Frank about when to exploit opportunities. You can't just tell him "be more agreesive" Instead it needs to be things like if you're off ball and you get the ball at the elbow you shoot. or if you're point you need to do a PnR with X and do one of these 2 things. He's very deferential by nature, which i prefer from a pg. When people say Mudiay had his best game as a knick and he gets 2 assist in 30 minutes and i can't remember either one, i'm like, Wow

We use generic expressions like "be more aggressive" but Im sure that Fizdale and staff are more specific. Go over game film with Frank. Frank is a smart kid, he knows what's missing from his game, heard him articulate what he needs to do in interviews. Just has to do it.

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11/6/2018  2:13 PM
Knixkik wrote:He's shooting lights out (not sustainable) and he gets to the line at will, and makes his free throws. He looks like a complete scorer. Made adjustments last night after a bad first half and hit a ton of big shots. How much of this is sustainable? What's his ceiling? Starting SG in the future?

We all have to be excited. His game has is more solidified than many of us expected. Have to wait until half a season to see how teams adjust, but he's deceptively athletic and reads the floor like a vet. I still wish he'd pass more, but it's still early. That's the difference between him being a legit starter or more of a Lou Williams, Swaggy P type.

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11/6/2018  2:14 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Chandler wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:The lights Frank sees in his rearview mirror is Trier. There is a consistent effort from Trier to take the fight to the other team, that we have yet to see from Frank.

To answer your question, until I saw those nifty passes from Trier last night, I thought 6th man.

Trier made a nice shovel pass last night which showed he can be more than a microwave type player, especially since Trier also plays D.

I like the way you put that. I like Trier and think he has a real future. when was the last time we had a guard double teamed?

I am a bit worried about Frank and Fizz. If the Knicks wanted my opinion, i would suggest that they be very specific with Frank about when to exploit opportunities. You can't just tell him "be more agreesive" Instead it needs to be things like if you're off ball and you get the ball at the elbow you shoot. or if you're point you need to do a PnR with X and do one of these 2 things. He's very deferential by nature, which i prefer from a pg. When people say Mudiay had his best game as a knick and he gets 2 assist in 30 minutes and i can't remember either one, i'm like, Wow

We use generic expressions like "be more aggressive" but Im sure that Fizdale and staff are more specific. Go over game film with Frank. Frank is a smart kid, he knows what's missing from his game, heard him articulate what he needs to do in interviews. Just has to do it.

I'm hoping this is the case but mindful of the fact that in Miami the offense was essentially give the ball to LBJ and/or Wade and they'll figure out what to do. It was not pg-reliant on offense. Memphis was PnR with Gasol

We have two pgs who do not do a great job at assists. One shoots out of control 75% of the time; the other I'm pulling for but is small and abused on defense. Frank is a willing facilitator (perhaps too much so) I hope that nurture and develop that.

DJMUSIC: Fisher talked a good game in Post game but aside from that Derek Fisher was ALL CHIT CHAT SH_t and produced nothing!
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11/6/2018  3:18 PM
Love this kid...Has the skills to be a two-way player...Can break down his man off the dribble and get to any spot on the court and score from any spot on the court. Decent mid-range game and spot up shooter from 3....Can finish at the rim, through contact. Plays with defensive intensity and accepts challenges on the defensive end. Has the chase down block in the repertoire.

Areas to improve are his vision. Sometimes he penetrates too deep and picks up the ball when the rim is blocked. Needs to trust the pull up Jay. Would like to see him curl off pin-downs and shoot the Jay....Needs to get stronger with his left hand.

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11/6/2018  4:48 PM
Uptown wrote:Love this kid...Has the skills to be a two-way player...Can break down his man off the dribble and get to any spot on the court and score from any spot on the court. Decent mid-range game and spot up shooter from 3....Can finish at the rim, through contact. Plays with defensive intensity and accepts challenges on the defensive end. Has the chase down block in the repertoire.

Areas to improve are his vision. Sometimes he penetrates too deep and picks up the ball when the rim is blocked. Needs to trust the pull up Jay. Would like to see him curl off pin-downs and shoot the Jay....Needs to get stronger with his left hand.

very nice assessment

DJMUSIC: Fisher talked a good game in Post game but aside from that Derek Fisher was ALL CHIT CHAT SH_t and produced nothing!
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11/6/2018  4:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2018  4:49 PM
Uptown wrote:Love this kid...Has the skills to be a two-way player...Can break down his man off the dribble and get to any spot on the court and score from any spot on the court. Decent mid-range game and spot up shooter from 3....Can finish at the rim, through contact. Plays with defensive intensity and accepts challenges on the defensive end. Has the chase down block in the repertoire.

Areas to improve are his vision. Sometimes he penetrates too deep and picks up the ball when the rim is blocked. Needs to trust the pull up Jay. Would like to see him curl off pin-downs and shoot the Jay....Needs to get stronger with his left hand.

His defense has been impressive in the fact that he competes. You expect this type of player to fully embrace the role of microwave scorer and not focus on the other stuff, at least early on. He seems to want to be an all-around player already. Creating for others is the next step. The ability to get to the line is the most impressive thing to me (and making them.) That's what makes a good scorer great.

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11/6/2018  6:17 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Uptown wrote:Love this kid...Has the skills to be a two-way player...Can break down his man off the dribble and get to any spot on the court and score from any spot on the court. Decent mid-range game and spot up shooter from 3....Can finish at the rim, through contact. Plays with defensive intensity and accepts challenges on the defensive end. Has the chase down block in the repertoire.

Areas to improve are his vision. Sometimes he penetrates too deep and picks up the ball when the rim is blocked. Needs to trust the pull up Jay. Would like to see him curl off pin-downs and shoot the Jay....Needs to get stronger with his left hand.

His defense has been impressive in the fact that he competes. You expect this type of player to fully embrace the role of microwave scorer and not focus on the other stuff, at least early on. He seems to want to be an all-around player already. Creating for others is the next step. The ability to get to the line is the most impressive thing to me (and making them.) That's what makes a good scorer great.

Totally agree with his ability to not only get to the stripe but knock them down at ah 89% clip....I believe he has gotten to the line the 2nd most on the team. True scorer mentality who will D-up!! He is looking like our future starting 2G for sure...The most exciting part of his game is the confidence to take and make big shots at this stage of his development....We really lucked out with this kid. I'd lock him up now!

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11/6/2018  6:36 PM
Uptown wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Uptown wrote:Love this kid...Has the skills to be a two-way player...Can break down his man off the dribble and get to any spot on the court and score from any spot on the court. Decent mid-range game and spot up shooter from 3....Can finish at the rim, through contact. Plays with defensive intensity and accepts challenges on the defensive end. Has the chase down block in the repertoire.

Areas to improve are his vision. Sometimes he penetrates too deep and picks up the ball when the rim is blocked. Needs to trust the pull up Jay. Would like to see him curl off pin-downs and shoot the Jay....Needs to get stronger with his left hand.

His defense has been impressive in the fact that he competes. You expect this type of player to fully embrace the role of microwave scorer and not focus on the other stuff, at least early on. He seems to want to be an all-around player already. Creating for others is the next step. The ability to get to the line is the most impressive thing to me (and making them.) That's what makes a good scorer great.

Totally agree with his ability to not only get to the stripe but knock them down at ah 89% clip....I believe he has gotten to the line the 2nd most on the team. True scorer mentality who will D-up!! He is looking like our future starting 2G for sure...The most exciting part of his game is the confidence to take and make big shots at this stage of his development....We really lucked out with this kid. I'd lock him up now!

This. If Knox is the answer at small forward the Knicks added 3 starters in one draft class. The Knicks maybe set at 4 positions for the next 5-10 years once KP is back.
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11/6/2018  9:07 PM
I have been rooting for him to succeed and he is showing good stuff and a hunger for more. Really like that. - I am interested in seeing how effective he is in breaking down double teams or passing out them consistently. He is definitely a better defender than both Mudiay and Burke (admittedly not hard to do) but his effort and commitment is there and I don't want to take that away from him. If he starts to use a little more thinking in his game he can be special, not suggesting it needs to happen now or right away. But very encouraging overall - on a very small sample size.
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11/6/2018  9:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2018  9:22 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Uptown wrote:Love this kid...Has the skills to be a two-way player...Can break down his man off the dribble and get to any spot on the court and score from any spot on the court. Decent mid-range game and spot up shooter from 3....Can finish at the rim, through contact. Plays with defensive intensity and accepts challenges on the defensive end. Has the chase down block in the repertoire.

Areas to improve are his vision. Sometimes he penetrates too deep and picks up the ball when the rim is blocked. Needs to trust the pull up Jay. Would like to see him curl off pin-downs and shoot the Jay....Needs to get stronger with his left hand.

His defense has been impressive in the fact that he competes. You expect this type of player to fully embrace the role of microwave scorer and not focus on the other stuff, at least early on. He seems to want to be an all-around player already. Creating for others is the next step. The ability to get to the line is the most impressive thing to me (and making them.) That's what makes a good scorer great.

Totally agree with his ability to not only get to the stripe but knock them down at ah 89% clip....I believe he has gotten to the line the 2nd most on the team. True scorer mentality who will D-up!! He is looking like our future starting 2G for sure...The most exciting part of his game is the confidence to take and make big shots at this stage of his development....We really lucked out with this kid. I'd lock him up now!

This. If Knox is the answer at small forward the Knicks added 3 starters in one draft class. The Knicks maybe set at 4 positions for the next 5-10 years once KP is back.

Agreed...if thats the lineup, I feel we will need a PG who can not only knock down open jumpers, but a PG who has the ability to play down hill, get into the paint, collapse the D and kick being that Knox, at this point is most comfortable as a catch and shoot guy as he still needs to get better with is handle...Same for KP in terms of knocking down spot up jumpers....Not sure if Frank or Mudiay for that matter is the right starting point for that 4-some. Time will tell for Frank....

I do like Franks length with that group, but worry about his passiveness, lack of playing north and south and he isn't much of a play maker at this point...again, time will tell...

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11/6/2018  9:27 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Uptown wrote:Love this kid...Has the skills to be a two-way player...Can break down his man off the dribble and get to any spot on the court and score from any spot on the court. Decent mid-range game and spot up shooter from 3....Can finish at the rim, through contact. Plays with defensive intensity and accepts challenges on the defensive end. Has the chase down block in the repertoire.

Areas to improve are his vision. Sometimes he penetrates too deep and picks up the ball when the rim is blocked. Needs to trust the pull up Jay. Would like to see him curl off pin-downs and shoot the Jay....Needs to get stronger with his left hand.

His defense has been impressive in the fact that he competes. You expect this type of player to fully embrace the role of microwave scorer and not focus on the other stuff, at least early on. He seems to want to be an all-around player already. Creating for others is the next step. The ability to get to the line is the most impressive thing to me (and making them.) That's what makes a good scorer great.

Totally agree with his ability to not only get to the stripe but knock them down at ah 89% clip....I believe he has gotten to the line the 2nd most on the team. True scorer mentality who will D-up!! He is looking like our future starting 2G for sure...The most exciting part of his game is the confidence to take and make big shots at this stage of his development....We really lucked out with this kid. I'd lock him up now!

This. If Knox is the answer at small forward the Knicks added 3 starters in one draft class. The Knicks maybe set at 4 positions for the next 5-10 years once KP is back.

It’s nice to have drafted a bunch of potential starters. KP should regain franchise player status. This could be the East version of the Nuggets. We still eventually need another true star but Knox, trier, Robinson, hardaway, and Ntilikina is a great supporting cast in terms of upside.

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11/6/2018  10:54 PM
Treir may end up being rookie of R.O.Y with the kind of rope fiz has given him.
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