HofstraBBall wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Do think it is getting close for Eli to move on but disagree that it is entirely his fault.

He's old for an NFL player, his production has been in decline, he plays a game increasingly out of style in the NFL and the worst possible style for his offensive line, he makes way too much for his production and will almost certainly never play in another postseason game as a Giant.

There is really NO reason to play him after Sunday. But you can't just move the scout team QB into the line-up in 4 days.

Give Eli a home game against a division rival for fans to say goodbye. Then going into the bye week promote Lauletta so he has a full 2 weeks (next game is a Mon night game) to prepare and see what's up over the last 7 games.

Not as bad as you make him to be. His completion percentage is currently higher than any of his previous years. So is his QBR. On pace to pass for more yards than every year except maybe 2011. Low Int count. Is he slowing dowm and an easier to expose with a bad O Line? yep. But no way the main cause and no way a coach is going to bench a 2 time SB champ when he is putting up respectable numbers. Would be narrow finger pointing. Btw, not really a good idea to stick a guy with no QB experience behind a struggling offensive line.

Is he the future of the franchise....think everyone knows he is not.

COmpletion percentage is purely a result of him throwing short checkdown passes, sometimes behind the line of scrimmage. He's still the best QB on the roster, but at this point finding out if Lauletta has a future has to be priority one.

nykshaknbake wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Do think it is getting close for Eli to move on but disagree that it is entirely his fault.

He's old for an NFL player, his production has been in decline, he plays a game increasingly out of style in the NFL and the worst possible style for his offensive line, he makes way too much for his production and will almost certainly never play in another postseason game as a Giant.

There is really NO reason to play him after Sunday. But you can't just move the scout team QB into the line-up in 4 days.

Give Eli a home game against a division rival for fans to say goodbye. Then going into the bye week promote Lauletta so he has a full 2 weeks (next game is a Mon night game) to prepare and see what's up over the last 7 games.

Not as bad as you make him to be. His completion percentage is currently higher than any of his previous years. So is his QBR. On pace to pass for more yards than every year except maybe 2011. Low Int count. Is he slowing dowm and an easier to expose with a bad O Line? yep. But no way the main cause and no way a coach is going to bench a 2 time SB champ when he is putting up respectable numbers. Would be narrow finger pointing. Btw, not really a good idea to stick a guy with no QB experience behind a struggling offensive line.

Is he the future of the franchise....think everyone knows he is not.

COmpletion percentage is purely a result of him throwing short checkdown passes, sometimes behind the line of scrimmage. He's still the best QB on the roster, but at this point finding out if Lauletta has a future has to be priority one.

I think its clear Hofstra is interpreting the argument to start Lauletta is some sort or backhanded disparagement of Manning.

Its not.

Manning is awesome. Glad he's been a Giant.

It's just time and it isn't even mostly his fault.

nykshaknbake wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Do think it is getting close for Eli to move on but disagree that it is entirely his fault.

He's old for an NFL player, his production has been in decline, he plays a game increasingly out of style in the NFL and the worst possible style for his offensive line, he makes way too much for his production and will almost certainly never play in another postseason game as a Giant.

There is really NO reason to play him after Sunday. But you can't just move the scout team QB into the line-up in 4 days.

Give Eli a home game against a division rival for fans to say goodbye. Then going into the bye week promote Lauletta so he has a full 2 weeks (next game is a Mon night game) to prepare and see what's up over the last 7 games.

Not as bad as you make him to be. His completion percentage is currently higher than any of his previous years. So is his QBR. On pace to pass for more yards than every year except maybe 2011. Low Int count. Is he slowing dowm and an easier to expose with a bad O Line? yep. But no way the main cause and no way a coach is going to bench a 2 time SB champ when he is putting up respectable numbers. Would be narrow finger pointing. Btw, not really a good idea to stick a guy with no QB experience behind a struggling offensive line.

Is he the future of the franchise....think everyone knows he is not.

COmpletion percentage is purely a result of him throwing short checkdown passes, sometimes behind the line of scrimmage. He's still the best QB on the roster, but at this point finding out if Lauletta has a future has to be priority one.

Agree with analysis. Would add that most check downs are the result of limited time caused by a challenged offensive line.

Look, Knickoftime will use his impressive long line of questioning to change the subject matter of a discussion faster than a scorned jealous ex wife does after she finds out you moved on. But I agree that Manning is coming to the end of his time. Question for me is what do we do? What most short sighted fans usually do. Which is change the shinny object throwing the ball or do we focus on the real/major issues we have.

HofstraBBall wrote:And who do you have that will replace him?

Lauletta, a 2019 draft pick, a trade or free agent pick-up. Lots of options. The point is, the 2019 Giants aren't a playoff team. They're a building to 2020-2021 team.

Who the Giants hope will be their franchise QB which will either be Lauletta or MUCH more likely their #1 draft pick or trade acquisition. The answer is very likely the draft pick and whether he starts the year or begins with a clipboard who the other QB is really doesn't make that much of a difference.

What does that have to do with our original conversation of benching Eli this year?

Since the Giants would be insane to pay Manning $24m to Q-B a 1-4 win team next year, and since the draft is now the point of their 2018 season and since the Giants spent draft and roster capital to see what they have in Lauletta, it makes every sense in the world to see what they have in Lauletta.

Again, in a year in which they intended to compete, THAT's why they spent a pick and a roster spot on a third QB to eventually do.

So you do it.

Couple of Knicks tickets? However, your Fred Astaire like moves don't give much confidence to the game rules

I'm willing to send Martin the funds to cover the costs right now (Venmo?), so he can hold both of our wagers and pay off the one who eventually wins.

Are you?

Sure.

37
$23.2m vs. $6.2m
Least pts scored in the NFL since the start of the 2017 season.
39% completion % in the red zone.

Your forgot his age. Cuz that is what you will say when I mention by this standard we would bench Barkley and Beckham.

Are you even reading?

What the hell do you think "37" means? :-)

Guess I have to answer this again. Coaching staff has done this and is doing that every practice. Think they know more than some armchair fan.

It is in fact armchair fans who don't understand playing in practice and playing on Sunday are two different things.

Is Eli the main reason for the Giants record? I said NO the offensive line has been for years.

And no one is arguing that point.

What you don't seem to understand is 37 year old Eli Manning is never going to see a good NFL offensive line again.

Should we bench Eli? I said No as he is not the main problem or performing at an alarmingly bad level.

Which remains not at all the point. He could play at a high level the next year and a half and that accomplishes nothing for the Giants. They're still not a postseason team.

The debate as to whether he is or could still perform at a high level is entirely irrelevant on what's now a full rebuild.

What is our main proplem on offense? I said the Offensive Line
What should be addressed in the offseason? Offensive line, secondary and pass rush.

And who the QB is in the 2020s.

You seem to believe there is a chance Eli Manning is someday the QB for a Giants team with a better offensive line, secondary and pass rush and can lead them to the postseason.

You seem to be alone on an island in this regard. He's not even contracted for that long. I doubt Eli Manning thinks he's ever going to play in a Giants postseason game again.

At the end of the day is this all about the fact you think the Giants can retool THIS offseason and be a playoff contender in 2019?

Really?

Do we have anyone worth benching Eli for? I said HELL NO but the coaches are best to make this decision.

They already did.

Again, you don't use one of the 53-man roster spots on an inactive 3rd QB when you started the year with postseason ambitions. They didn't draft him, decide he wasn't worthwhile during the preseason or anytime in the last 7 weeks and release him and/or try to sneak Lauletta onto the practice squad.

You don't seem to understand the roster implications of why he's hasn't been released, promoted to the back-up or snuck onto the practice squad.

Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Do think it is getting close for Eli to move on but disagree that it is entirely his fault.

He's old for an NFL player, his production has been in decline, he plays a game increasingly out of style in the NFL and the worst possible style for his offensive line, he makes way too much for his production and will almost certainly never play in another postseason game as a Giant.

There is really NO reason to play him after Sunday. But you can't just move the scout team QB into the line-up in 4 days.

Give Eli a home game against a division rival for fans to say goodbye. Then going into the bye week promote Lauletta so he has a full 2 weeks (next game is a Mon night game) to prepare and see what's up over the last 7 games.

Not as bad as you make him to be. His completion percentage is currently higher than any of his previous years. So is his QBR. On pace to pass for more yards than every year except maybe 2011. Low Int count. Is he slowing dowm and an easier to expose with a bad O Line? yep. But no way the main cause and no way a coach is going to bench a 2 time SB champ when he is putting up respectable numbers. Would be narrow finger pointing. Btw, not really a good idea to stick a guy with no QB experience behind a struggling offensive line.

Is he the future of the franchise....think everyone knows he is not.

COmpletion percentage is purely a result of him throwing short checkdown passes, sometimes behind the line of scrimmage. He's still the best QB on the roster, but at this point finding out if Lauletta has a future has to be priority one.

Agree with analysis. Would add that most check downs are the result of limited time caused by a challenged offensive line.

Look, Knickoftime will use his impressive long line of questioning to change the subject matter of a discussion faster than a scorned jealous ex wife does after she finds out you moved on. But I agree that Manning is coming to the end of his time. Question for me is what do we do? What most short sighted fans usually do. Which is change the shinny object throwing the ball or do we focus on the real/major issues we have.

Been with my first and only wife 23 years. Made an awesome choice the first time. Have no experience with bumbling, fumbling relationship drama, sorry. Doesn't sound pleasant.

The point you're missing is no one here is booing at halftime, expecting the career back-up to come in and win the game in the second half, take over and lead the team on a winning streak to the playoffs. That's the football cliche you're incorrectly citing here.

What the Giants do is make finding the next franchise QB one of if not THE the top priorities. But the O-line, secondary, edge rushers, etc are all well up there too. You're making the mistake of inventing an argument no one is making to refute.

NOBODY is suggesting NOT tearing down the O-line, looking for corners and pass rushers. The Giants should be doing that too.

But IDing the next QB is very likely going to take the shape of using their #1 draft pick. But even if the Giants only used the 4th pick of the 2018 draft and the 53rd roster spot all season to groom Lauletta to be THAT QB's back-up, you still use the remainder of 2018 to see what he looks like in games, because there is no reason NOT to.

I'm a Manning fan, but there's nothing left for him to do. Lauletta could SUCK (which is totally possible) but it'd still be more interesting to see how he responded to starts #1 then #2 then #3 if for nothing else the novelty factor.

If there is some talent there, all the better.

But I completely fail to see the virtue of watching Manning QB the team to 13-20 points 9 more times.

Just to go to the bold, I think these are the short-term priorities:
1) offensive line
2) edge rushers
3) QB

Unfortunately, the draft isn't exceptional at QB. So, I would expect them to grab (hopefully) Nick Bosa. I think they probably go after someone like Teddy Bridgewater as a UFA bridge until they find a long term option. The team needs to rebuild the heart of its offense and defense... I don't think any rookie QB could come in and succeed with the crap in front him

Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Do think it is getting close for Eli to move on but disagree that it is entirely his fault.

He's old for an NFL player, his production has been in decline, he plays a game increasingly out of style in the NFL and the worst possible style for his offensive line, he makes way too much for his production and will almost certainly never play in another postseason game as a Giant.

There is really NO reason to play him after Sunday. But you can't just move the scout team QB into the line-up in 4 days.

Give Eli a home game against a division rival for fans to say goodbye. Then going into the bye week promote Lauletta so he has a full 2 weeks (next game is a Mon night game) to prepare and see what's up over the last 7 games.

Not as bad as you make him to be. His completion percentage is currently higher than any of his previous years. So is his QBR. On pace to pass for more yards than every year except maybe 2011. Low Int count. Is he slowing dowm and an easier to expose with a bad O Line? yep. But no way the main cause and no way a coach is going to bench a 2 time SB champ when he is putting up respectable numbers. Would be narrow finger pointing. Btw, not really a good idea to stick a guy with no QB experience behind a struggling offensive line.

Is he the future of the franchise....think everyone knows he is not.

COmpletion percentage is purely a result of him throwing short checkdown passes, sometimes behind the line of scrimmage. He's still the best QB on the roster, but at this point finding out if Lauletta has a future has to be priority one.

Agree with analysis. Would add that most check downs are the result of limited time caused by a challenged offensive line.

Look, Knickoftime will use his impressive long line of questioning to change the subject matter of a discussion faster than a scorned jealous ex wife does after she finds out you moved on. But I agree that Manning is coming to the end of his time. Question for me is what do we do? What most short sighted fans usually do. Which is change the shinny object throwing the ball or do we focus on the real/major issues we have.

Been with my first and only wife 23 years. Made an awesome choice the first time. Have no experience with bumbling, fumbling relationship drama, sorry. Doesn't sound pleasant.

The point you're missing is no one here is booing at halftime, expecting the career back-up to come in and win the game in the second half, take over and lead the team on a winning streak to the playoffs. That's the football cliche you're incorrectly citing here. Never said that you did. Said that it will be because the coaches think the backup deserves a shot and the QB starter is main issue

What the Giants do is make finding the next franchise QB one of if not THE the top priorities. But the O-line, secondary, edge rushers, etc are all well up there too. You're making the mistake of inventing an argument no one is making to refute. Never disagreed with the idea that the Giants need a Franchise QB. Tell me something everybody does not already know. Let me guess, no other team needs a franchise QB? Your saying Lauletta is? Im saying he is not.

NOBODY is suggesting NOT tearing down the O-line, looking for corners and pass rushers. The Giants should be doing that too.

But IDing the next QB is very likely going to take the shape of using their #1 draft pick. But even if the Giants only used the 4th pick of the 2018 draft and the 53rd roster spot all season to groom Lauletta to be THAT QB's back-up, you still use the remainder of 2018 to see what he looks like in games, because there is no reason NOT to. Agree it will take a 1st rounder or a trade. Think if he is as good as you claim and he deserves a shot the staff will give him that chance later in the season.

I'm a Manning fan, but there's nothing left for him to do. Lauletta could SUCK (which is totally possible) but it'd still be more interesting to see how he responded to starts #1 then #2 then #3 if for nothing else the novelty factor. Glad to see you think coaching an NFL team should be based on novelty.

If there is some talent there, all the better.

But I completely fail to see the virtue of watching Manning QB the team to 13-20 points 9 more times.

Congrats on the 23 years. Almost at the 10 year mark myself. Glad you saw the humor in my remark.
Again, think its easy for you to miss someone's point due to your focus on changing the subject and asking so many arbitrary questions. Legally sneaky Pete like. Guess you did not read my summary? Do you remember what we originally disagreed on? Before you went off on so many different tangents? I said that Eli was not the main cause of our issues. Said his numbers are actually not as bad as you make them to be. Said that there is no way we bench him for a fans 4th round "dream" of a back up. Ok fine, stuck in the dream part .

So again. Yes we need a franchise QB. Tom Brady like if possible. Yes a QB on the roster, who has a chance at being a long term solution and the staff vote is ready, should get a shot to run the team during the regular season. Offensive lines are very important to ALL offensive position players. Specially the QB. The Giants only have to improve a few things to get back to a higher lever. Offensive Line, Defensive Line, Secondary, draft a "Franchise QB", mascot, hire cheerleaders, play in domed stadium, offer free vodka to fans that freeze their asses off in the winter. OR just bench Eli.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Do think it is getting close for Eli to move on but disagree that it is entirely his fault.

He's old for an NFL player, his production has been in decline, he plays a game increasingly out of style in the NFL and the worst possible style for his offensive line, he makes way too much for his production and will almost certainly never play in another postseason game as a Giant.

There is really NO reason to play him after Sunday. But you can't just move the scout team QB into the line-up in 4 days.

Give Eli a home game against a division rival for fans to say goodbye. Then going into the bye week promote Lauletta so he has a full 2 weeks (next game is a Mon night game) to prepare and see what's up over the last 7 games.

Not as bad as you make him to be. His completion percentage is currently higher than any of his previous years. So is his QBR. On pace to pass for more yards than every year except maybe 2011. Low Int count. Is he slowing dowm and an easier to expose with a bad O Line? yep. But no way the main cause and no way a coach is going to bench a 2 time SB champ when he is putting up respectable numbers. Would be narrow finger pointing. Btw, not really a good idea to stick a guy with no QB experience behind a struggling offensive line.

Is he the future of the franchise....think everyone knows he is not.

COmpletion percentage is purely a result of him throwing short checkdown passes, sometimes behind the line of scrimmage. He's still the best QB on the roster, but at this point finding out if Lauletta has a future has to be priority one.

Agree with analysis. Would add that most check downs are the result of limited time caused by a challenged offensive line.

Look, Knickoftime will use his impressive long line of questioning to change the subject matter of a discussion faster than a scorned jealous ex wife does after she finds out you moved on. But I agree that Manning is coming to the end of his time. Question for me is what do we do? What most short sighted fans usually do. Which is change the shinny object throwing the ball or do we focus on the real/major issues we have.

Been with my first and only wife 23 years. Made an awesome choice the first time. Have no experience with bumbling, fumbling relationship drama, sorry. Doesn't sound pleasant.

The point you're missing is no one here is booing at halftime, expecting the career back-up to come in and win the game in the second half, take over and lead the team on a winning streak to the playoffs. That's the football cliche you're incorrectly citing here. Never said that you did. Said that it will be because the coaches think the backup deserves a shot and the QB starter is main issue

What the Giants do is make finding the next franchise QB one of if not THE the top priorities. But the O-line, secondary, edge rushers, etc are all well up there too. You're making the mistake of inventing an argument no one is making to refute. Never disagreed with the idea that the Giants need a Franchise QB. Tell me something everybody does not already know. Let me guess, no other team needs a franchise QB? Your saying Lauletta is? Im saying he is not.

NOBODY is suggesting NOT tearing down the O-line, looking for corners and pass rushers. The Giants should be doing that too.

But IDing the next QB is very likely going to take the shape of using their #1 draft pick. But even if the Giants only used the 4th pick of the 2018 draft and the 53rd roster spot all season to groom Lauletta to be THAT QB's back-up, you still use the remainder of 2018 to see what he looks like in games, because there is no reason NOT to. Agree it will take a 1st rounder or a trade. Think if he is as good as you claim and he deserves a shot the staff will give him that chance later in the season.

I'm a Manning fan, but there's nothing left for him to do. Lauletta could SUCK (which is totally possible) but it'd still be more interesting to see how he responded to starts #1 then #2 then #3 if for nothing else the novelty factor. Glad to see you think coaching an NFL team should be based on novelty.

If there is some talent there, all the better.

But I completely fail to see the virtue of watching Manning QB the team to 13-20 points 9 more times.

So there is virtue in putting in a 4th round QB behind a bad Oline?

Congrats on the 23 years. Almost at the 10 year mark myself. Glad you saw the humor in my remark.
Again, think its easy for you to miss someone's point due to your focus on changing the subject and asking so many arbitrary questions. Legally sneaky Pete like. Guess you did not read my summary? Do you remember what we originally disagreed on? Before you went off on so many different tangents? I said that Eli was not the main cause of our issues. Said his numbers are actually not as bad as you make them to be. Said that there is no way we bench him for a fans 4th round "dream" of a back up. Ok fine, stuck in the dream part .

So again. Yes we need a franchise QB. Tom Brady like if possible. Yes a QB on the roster, who has a chance at being a long term solution and the staff vote is ready, should get a shot to run the team during the regular season. Offensive lines are very important to ALL offensive position players. Specially the QB. The Giants only have to improve a few things to get back to a higher lever. Offensive Line, Defensive Line, Secondary, draft a "Franchise QB", mascot, hire cheerleaders, play in domed stadium, offer free vodka to fans that freeze their asses off in the winter. OR just bench Eli.

We skipped the bet part, huh? :-)

Still willing. Name your MSG section. The expensive seats of you like. I'm in. We'll agree on the cost of 2 tickets, we'll both Venmo Martin the funds to cover the cost. He'll Venmo the total to one of us when the bet terms are settled.

Cool?

meloshouldgo wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Eli's gotta go. We need a new stud there.

not a Giants fan at all, but both of My best friends are, and I have been telling them that for the last 4 yrs. Flacco and ELI are the most overrated QB's in the NFL.

Both got big contract base on a couple of good Playoff games that led to a super bowl title, but in all reality it was their defense that really propelled them

No doubt, defense is always the key to winning a Superbowl. But Eli was an excellent game manager, despite his obvious limitations in the QB1 role (i.e., lack of mobility, need for a stout O-line).

It's obvious last year and this year that Eli has lost faith in his protection, which has resulted in a serious diminishment in his accuracy and decision-making.

Makes sense to rebuild, although I doubt OBJ will be happy about wasting his prime years. He'll demand a trade next season.

He can leave as well. Too full of himself. He is a great player so I would regret seeing him go, but I am not a fan of me first pro players

He's impossible to trade for a couple of years.

And I don't think he's a me-first player. I think he's a whole other animal. A guy who doesn't know how to not always think he's in a selfie. That's a different pathology.

I think he's a perfectly fine teammate that doesn't know how not to draw attention to himself.

His comments were stupid, but I don't think malicious. Just ill-thought out.

Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Let me guess, no other team needs a franchise QB? Your saying Lauletta is? Im saying he is not.

I'm not saying he is or he is not. He probably is not. KNICKOFTIME PLEASE take a deep breath and READ

Read that again, take a deep breath, and then read that again.

The point of course is the nine remaining Giants games are essentially scrimmages. They're preseason games in the regular season.

They're about seeing what players can do. Find out what he can do. There ARE 3rd, 4th and even 6th round quality QBs playing on quality teams right now. Is it likely Lauletta is a franchise QB?

Hell no. KNICKOFTIME PLEASE take a deep breath and READ

Read that again, take a deep breath, and then read that again.

Is there any reason NOT to play him, and any reason to play Manning all 9. KNICKOFTIME PLEASE take a deep breath and READ what I keep writing. Because ELI is THE BEST QB on the team and there is no back up worth playing.

Hell no.

I saw on SNY last night give Manning the season finale at home against Dallas. At least the start. That's totally cool.

Think if he is as good as you claim and he deserves a shot the staff will give him that chance later in the season.

And here's your problem in a nutshell. I have never once said claimed he is anything, much less "good." But I write 'use the remaining meaningless games to see what he can do on a Sunday' and you read that to mean I think Lauletta is the next franchise QB. You have insinuated that he is the next Tom Brady

Let me dumb it down for you. Have you read your posts? You already did that.

He likely isn't. But there is NO reason not to take a look at whatever he might be.

Worse case scenario, he makes the Giants even worse the remaining games, they lose more games they would have with Manning, improves their draft capital, and informs the team that drafted Lauletta they no longer need to carry him on their 53 man roster next season. So now you are claiming your point all along was to improve our draft position? Okay, sounds good.

That's a pretty okay worse case scenario. Actually accomplishes a few positive things.

So there is virtue in putting in a 4th round QB behind a bad Oline?

Yes, the above.

I assume you understand what draft capital is and how significant it is at the top of the draft.

I'm not sure what your argument is for the team to win more of their remaining 9 games as opposed to less.

Care you explain?

I said that Eli was not the main cause of our issues.

And I've agreed with you. But instead of using that to try to find common ground, you used me agreeing with you to post useless snarky responses. KNCKOFTIME PLEASE take a deep breath and READ. Great, I count 4 times you now agree with me.

Said his numbers are actually not as bad as you make them to be.

I never once criticized his overall completion %. The fact is they have a hard time scoring touchdowns. That is largely the 0-lines fault, AND Mannings, and that's in large part due to the fact he's been negatively impacted by his O-line. Make that Five times

You seem still convinced for god knows what reason I'm 'hating' on Manning without acknowledging the O-Line is mostly to blame.

The 0-Line IS mostly to blame. Are we clear on that? Make that Six, I think

The problem is, that's NOT a reason to stick with 37 year old, $24m against the cap, COMPLETELY immobile Eli Manning.

Would Manning be better than Lauletta the remainder of this season? Almost certainly. Probably significantly so. But that isn't a reason to play him during a rebuild. And your not hating on Manning? Have not seen any bench the O line, Defensive line, Secondary, Kicking team rants. Don't think they are part of the future as well? And is Beckam earning his contract?

Platitudes about the best player don't apply during the exhibition season, which the remainder of the schedule essentially is.

For this same reason I also wouldn't let Beckham field another punt or kick return in 2018 or 2019. If any of the younger, skill players bang a knee, don't put them back in. Pull them all in the second half when game is out of reach either way. Sound plan. 8th game of the year and lets pull the plug.

The rules of who you play, how you play them, where and for how long are officially different now that the Giants season and 2019 season are effectively over from a competitive standpoint.

So again. Yes we need a franchise QB. Tom Brady like if possible.

Who was the 199th pick. You missed my point. Explanation. Lets draft only 199ish picks. Seems to be good odds of success.

Yes a QB on the roster, who has a chance at being a long term solution and the staff vote is ready, should get a shot to run the team during the regular season.

Manning doesn't qualify. So your point is...…. give the job to the guy not in the future plans but that was a 4th rounder and has no experience just for ****s and giggles.

Offensive lines are very important to ALL offensive position players. Specially the QB. The Giants only have to improve a few things to get back to a higher lever. Offensive Line, Defensive Line, Secondary, draft a "Franchise QB", mascot, hire cheerleaders, play in domed stadium, offer free vodka to fans that freeze their asses off in the winter. OR just bench Eli.

Once again, you're inventing arguments.

NO QB is stepping into this team and going to the postseason the next 2 years. Not Mahomes, not Goff, not Brady, not Rodgers. Crystal ball? Think we can get a draft pick or one via trade

This is NOT a 'bench Eli and don't do anything else' thing. This is a 'bench Eli AND also do EVERYTHING else' thing.

Understand?

Sorry if I am getting to you. Think you just cant understand/cope that not everyone agrees with you. You were married for how many years? Wont help if you continue to bring up even more new explanations/premises. Guess your hoping one will stick. Hey but by reading the above it seems you are finally agreeing with most of what I said. Cool.

Don't agree with you on the following. ONLY. (KNICKOFTIME PLEASE take a deep breath and READ)

Ok, so you think Lauleta is the next Tom Brady. Will call Vegas in the am..
You think most NFL teams should start their 4th round QB after the 7th game of the year.
Think benching Eli will create something positive (See last year)
We should bench Eli. Don.t see a point. (Please stop saying the same thing as why you think he should. Specially the rock solid "we have a 4th rounder in the wings" argument)

Knickoftime wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Eli's gotta go. We need a new stud there.

not a Giants fan at all, but both of My best friends are, and I have been telling them that for the last 4 yrs. Flacco and ELI are the most overrated QB's in the NFL.

Both got big contract base on a couple of good Playoff games that led to a super bowl title, but in all reality it was their defense that really propelled them

No doubt, defense is always the key to winning a Superbowl. But Eli was an excellent game manager, despite his obvious limitations in the QB1 role (i.e., lack of mobility, need for a stout O-line).

It's obvious last year and this year that Eli has lost faith in his protection, which has resulted in a serious diminishment in his accuracy and decision-making.

Makes sense to rebuild, although I doubt OBJ will be happy about wasting his prime years. He'll demand a trade next season.

He can leave as well. Too full of himself. He is a great player so I would regret seeing him go, but I am not a fan of me first pro players

He's impossible to trade for a couple of years.

And I don't think he's a me-first player. I think he's a whole other animal. A guy who doesn't know how to not always think he's in a selfie. That's a different pathology.

I think he's a perfectly fine teammate that doesn't know how not to draw attention to himself.

His comments were stupid, but I don't think malicious. Just ill-thought out.

Possible, but same difference. He is immature and will be a distraction on a team where he will be the most visible and longest tenured veteran.i di hope he can figure out his human highlight reel issues