CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:It's not about whether or not Noah is a good player or a good fit, he's not and anyone who's not an idiot knew that when we signed him. The point is, instead of having him off the cap after next season he'll be taking up cap space until 2021.

I haven't studied the Knicks cap situation but I know some of the motivation to clear cap space for next offseason is because KP will be getting his max extension. I don't know what the cap situation would be in 2020 when Noah would have come off the books with KP's new deal.

We currently have no guaranteed money on the books in 2020. THJr has a $19M player option that he'll obviously pick up, we have a $6M team option on Ntilikina and a $4.5M team option on Knox and we'll obviously pick up both which puts us at $29.5M. We'll also have two 1st round picks, let's put those at around $10M combined putting us at $40M. I'd have to look up the exact amount but KP's sure-to-be max contract will be around $25M-$30M and puts us around $70M.

arkrud wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:It's not about whether or not Noah is a good player or a good fit, he's not and anyone who's not an idiot knew that when we signed him. The point is, instead of having him off the cap after next season he'll be taking up cap space until 2021.

I haven't studied the Knicks cap situation but I know some of the motivation to clear cap space for next offseason is because KP will be getting his max extension. I don't know what the cap situation would be in 2020 when Noah would have come off the books with KP's new deal.

We currently have no guaranteed money on the books in 2020. THJr has a $19M player option that he'll obviously pick up, we have a $6M team option on Ntilikina and a $4.5M team option on Knox and we'll obviously pick up both which puts us at $29.5M. We'll also have two 1st round picks, let's put those at around $10M combined putting us at $40M. I'd have to look up the exact amount but KP's sure-to-be max contract will be around $25M-$30M and puts us around $70M.

We will go over that cap so Noah stretch money will be juts some extra change from Dolans packet. Who cares about that.
It was no way he would play for us and with Players union and NBA in mind it was no way to resolve this issue otherwise.
Live is much more complicated that cap calculator.

So you're agreeing that we're going to spend that extra cap space this Summer to justify this move.

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24973763/new-york-knicks-waive-joakim-noah

Noah's not giving any money back so we gain about $13M in cap space this summer but lose $6.5M each of the next two years. Another stupid decision by a stupid franchise. Front office will be under pressure to give out a big contract this Summer to someone in order to justify the cap hit the next two years.

It's why I've never bought the bit about "rebuilding". The reality is that we had no money and no real pieces to make a move to help us compete without KP, even in a weakened Eastern Conference. So they'll play the game and pretend they are doing a youth movement, when the reality is that their hand was forced. My only hope is that they don't do anything stupid on the trade front with our lottery picks (who have impressed)...but this is the Knicks...and stupid is what we do....so be prepared to see us blow all our assets on a Mike Conley Jr or John Wall.

Yeah, I never really believed because we're one of the worst run franchises in all of sports but this is still a bit of a gut punch. I'm afraid to look at the FA list for next year to see which mid-tier FA we'll be overpaying next Summer.

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24973763/new-york-knicks-waive-joakim-noah

Noah's not giving any money back so we gain about $13M in cap space this summer but lose $6.5M each of the next two years. Another stupid decision by a stupid franchise. Front office will be under pressure to give out a big contract this Summer to someone in order to justify the cap hit the next two years.

It's why I've never bought the bit about "rebuilding". The reality is that we had no money and no real pieces to make a move to help us compete without KP, even in a weakened Eastern Conference. So they'll play the game and pretend they are doing a youth movement, when the reality is that their hand was forced. My only hope is that they don't do anything stupid on the trade front with our lottery picks (who have impressed)...but this is the Knicks...and stupid is what we do....so be prepared to see us blow all our assets on a Mike Conley Jr or John Wall.

Yeah, I never really believed because we're one of the worst run franchises in all of sports but this is still a bit of a gut punch. I'm afraid to look at the FA list for next year to see which mid-tier FA we'll be overpaying next Summer.

That worries me but I'm even more concerned about us using the space to take on excess money of a fading all-star/stat-stuffer, which is why I brought up Wall and Conley Jr. I think the Wizards and Grizzlies would both be willing to dump those contracts outright and would take a nominal asset in return like a Frank Ntilikina or first round pick in return. I feel the overpaid free agent could be non-fatal...the aforementioned, not so much. We'd probably end up missing the playoff yet again, lose one of the few players that could change our fortunes AND be strapped for cap space for the foreseeable future. That is the Knicks way afterall.

TripleThreat wrote:

franco12 wrote:Has there been a worse free agent signing?

For long term damage

A) The Mavs resigning free agent Michael Finley and getting street free agent Erick Dampier. The fallout was choosing not to resign Steve Nash. Finley hit a wall ( but always played hard) Dampier owns the distinction of only have two years of any kind of effort, both in contract years, both times netting huge deals. The cost of pivots was different back then. Mark Cuban did something unreal later and admitted in public he made a bad decision but he loved both Finley and Nash as people.

B) The Trailblazers signing UDFA Robert Pack. Actually a very good player and good reserve, but took the roster spot of Walter Davis. Davis was done at that point. Michael Jordan played with Davis in college and demanded the Bulls get him. Instead Jerry Krause got Sacto's Rodney McCray, a decent player who Jordan went out of his way to mentally break. McCray's situation started an already ugly situation into a tipping point of no return. Time has proven Krause did a great job as GM and wannabe GM Jordan is and will always be a total ****ing idiot.

C) The Warriors signing Derek Fisher to a large contract. Fisher was the ONLY thing keeping Shaq and rapist chucker Kobe from destroying each other. Once Fisher was gone, a duo that should have won 10 rings together fell apart. Kobe needed to shut up more. Shaq needed to stop eating Chalupas. When Fisher's last bit of athleticism died, he hung around solely because he could manage Mamba's insanity and no one else could do it.

Ever see a really hot ass woman with legs to forever and stacked up top like a Chinese missile frigate and then realize she's a moody bitch to everyone?

This is why so many NBA free agent signings go bad. Dealing with someone who has never heard the word No in their entire life. And guaranteed contracts means you are stuck with them. Stuck.

I remember the Dampier one and jeez was that a nightmare. He was such a scrub too, them trading him for Tyson was some sort of cosmic Karma. Especially considering he was on Miami when Dallas beat them in the Finals.