TripleThreat wrote:

Nalod wrote:That highlighted statement is highly ignorant when applied to a 20 year old.

Age is both relevant and irrelevant.

Under 25 and less than three years of actual healthy rotation minutes in the NBA, then the ceiling is still in flux.

At or above 25 with less than three years of actual healthy rotation minutes in the NBA, then the floor is still in flux.

It matters less than Frank N is 20 than the issue that he's only spent one year in the league. If he got into the league at just turned 18 and on the edge of being 21, then that might be different. Rare, but you can be 20 and have your prime developmental window close on you.

Lots of people point out that Burke or Kanter are only X age. Sure, if you want to be an accountant. In the NBA, after your third year, barring major injuries or just no playing time, you are going to show what you will likely be the rest of your career.

Knicks1248 doesn't want to wait 2 more years to be sure of what Frank N could be. Now 1248 could be right two years from now and be vindicated. But the issue is I don't think 1248 actually understands that it would take a couple of more years to be sure.

I don't think some of you guys see he's trolling you.

I don't think I say anything regarding frank that isn't painfully obvious, he's not a good or even decent offensive player.

For 4 yrs prior to playing in the NBA, he was taught system basketball, Frank is a system player, brought here to run a system, and plays like it. He jogs the ball up, goes to the left, hands it off and runs to his spot, if the first pass isn't there, he'll set up a P/R.

Now you want him to run and play free wheeling basketball, that's like telling Shaq or D Howard (when they came in the league) to shoot more 3's and 18 foot jump shots...Good luck with that.

Fiz has already said I'm going to let him be him (that's how I feel) and live with it "IF" it's helping us win

If we're not progressing as a team, and his improvement is little to none, then he'll probably end up like mudiay (getting traded) or Mario and Vonleh (going somewhere for a better fit)

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Nalod wrote:That highlighted statement is highly ignorant when applied to a 20 year old.

Age is both relevant and irrelevant.

Under 25 and less than three years of actual healthy rotation minutes in the NBA, then the ceiling is still in flux.

At or above 25 with less than three years of actual healthy rotation minutes in the NBA, then the floor is still in flux.

It matters less than Frank N is 20 than the issue that he's only spent one year in the league. If he got into the league at just turned 18 and on the edge of being 21, then that might be different. Rare, but you can be 20 and have your prime developmental window close on you.

Lots of people point out that Burke or Kanter are only X age. Sure, if you want to be an accountant. In the NBA, after your third year, barring major injuries or just no playing time, you are going to show what you will likely be the rest of your career.

Knicks1248 doesn't want to wait 2 more years to be sure of what Frank N could be. Now 1248 could be right two years from now and be vindicated. But the issue is I don't think 1248 actually understands that it would take a couple of more years to be sure.

I don't think some of you guys see he's trolling you.

I don't think I say anything regarding frank
that isn't painfully obvious, he's not a good or even decent offensive player.
]For 4 yrs prior to playing in the NBA, he was taught system basketball, Frank is a system player, brought here to run a system, and plays like it. He jogs the ball up, goes to the left, hands it off and runs to his spot, if the first pass isn't there, he'll set up a P/R.

Now you want him to run and play free wheeling basketball, that's like telling Shaq or D Howard (when they came in the league) to shoot more 3's and 18 foot jump shots...Good luck with that.

Fiz has already said I'm going to let him be him (that's how I feel) and live with it "IF" it's helping us win

If we're not progressing as a team, and his improvement is little to none, then he'll probably end up like mudiay (getting traded) or Mario and Vonleh (going somewhere for a better fit)

Fixed.
Freaking Rainman gotta say "Never" over and over again.
While Rainman is focused on what Frank is not, some focus on what Frank IS. MUdiay, Mario and Vonleh did not stand out in any facet of their games. Frank does.
Nobody argues they'd like to see his offensive game advance. Rainman demonstrates linear focus on "Never".
Nalod linear focus on Rainman. Almost as sad.

Trolling takes a singular focus at times. Not always, but sometimes.

Nalod's self-depreciation is laudable!

TheGame wrote:Stat lines for the point guards thus far in the preseason have resulted in the following:

Trey Burke: .318/.250/.875, 7.3 points, 1.7 rebounds and 2.0 assists in 15.6 minutes
Frank Ntilikina: .398/.500/N/A, 5.3 points, 1.3 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 17.7 minutes
Emmanuel Mudiay: .167/.000/.500, 2.7 points, 2.7 rebounds and 4.0 assists in 17.7 minutes

IMO Frank has outplayed Burke and Mudiay. The Knicks need to stop hindering the kid and give him the reigns. Trade Mudiay and make Burke the 6th man.

They've all been different degrees of meh. No one is head and shoulders above the rest, not yet anyway. Im guessing Burke will get the call. Dont believe that Fizdale will give Frank the reigns in the regular season until he shows some offense. Not a choice between where Frank is now, and expecting elite performance. Low double digits would probably do it, Im guessing.

Frank needs to take the job from Burke, if it ends up being its a question of just one of them starting. Dont believe he's done that yet.

Nalod wrote:From all accounts on any quote by Fiz he does not see frank as a PG.
He sees him as a Wing either at the 2 or three.
That does not mean Tray by default, but its not a Trey vs. frank thing from what I read.

CrushAlot wrote:Bondy tweeted that Ntilikina is starting at the point tonight.

His defense alone is going to prove to be too valueable to even keep out. He’s going to eventually need to start and finish.

knicks1248 wrote:I think frank shots selection is his number 1 problem, those long ass 2's(that he would take in a triangle set) are very low percentage shots, and it doesn't help his confidence when they brick off the rim. Every player has a sweet spot, whats his?

One thing is for certain..he's not a 2g or a Pg so maybe his best position is Sf