Jimbo5 wrote:Frank did well since he was interted in the rotation. Even if im happy that he showed growth offensively upon his return And we even heard thibs give some nice words ablout Frank, I still think that it didnt move the needle for Thibs to expand his rotation. The only path i see for frank to get minutes on this team is for the FO to trade Payton or Bullock or Burks to oven up minutes for Frank. Unless thibs can shave off minutes from Payton, Bullock or RJ to open up minutes for Frank.

So they should cater to the 11th man on the depth chart.

Your suggesting that they trade players that are better than him, so his loyal fans can see him play more.

Hey payton, i know you have a NTC but we are willing to do whatever it takes to move you because franks a better pg

Hey Bullock I know you have been pretty damn solid this season, and have build a solid chemistry with the starting unit, but we have to play frank so we will trade you

Hey Burks, i know you were our biggest off season acquisition, and have been playing solid, but we need to get frank out there, so we will trade you.

I think they were playing frank to showcase what he has before the Trade deadline

knicks1248 wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Frank did well since he was interted in the rotation. Even if im happy that he showed growth offensively upon his return And we even heard thibs give some nice words ablout Frank, I still think that it didnt move the needle for Thibs to expand his rotation. The only path i see for frank to get minutes on this team is for the FO to trade Payton or Bullock or Burks to oven up minutes for Frank. Unless thibs can shave off minutes from Payton, Bullock or RJ to open up minutes for Frank.

So they should cater to the 11th man on the depth chart.

Your suggesting that they trade players that are better than him, so his loyal fans can see him play more.

Hey payton, i know you have a NTC but we are willing to do whatever it takes to move you because franks a better pg

Hey Bullock I know you have been pretty damn solid this season, and have build a solid chemistry with the starting unit, but we have to play frank so we will trade you

Hey Burks, i know you were our biggest off season acquisition, and have been playing solid, but we need to get frank out there, so we will trade you.

I think they were playing frank to showcase what he has before the Trade deadline

This is literally what teams do to get better. They sit or trade guys to make way for better guys. Like sitting Rivers. Or when GS realized they had something in Draymond, they sat or traded guys.

The guys that they clear for.... they have to obviously earn it.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Frank did well since he was interted in the rotation. Even if im happy that he showed growth offensively upon his return And we even heard thibs give some nice words ablout Frank, I still think that it didnt move the needle for Thibs to expand his rotation. The only path i see for frank to get minutes on this team is for the FO to trade Payton or Bullock or Burks to oven up minutes for Frank. Unless thibs can shave off minutes from Payton, Bullock or RJ to open up minutes for Frank.

So they should cater to the 11th man on the depth chart.

Your suggesting that they trade players that are better than him, so his loyal fans can see him play more.

Hey payton, i know you have a NTC but we are willing to do whatever it takes to move you because franks a better pg

Hey Bullock I know you have been pretty damn solid this season, and have build a solid chemistry with the starting unit, but we have to play frank so we will trade you

Hey Burks, i know you were our biggest off season acquisition, and have been playing solid, but we need to get frank out there, so we will trade you.

I think they were playing frank to showcase what he has before the Trade deadline

This is literally what teams do to get better. They sit or trade guys to make way for better guys. Like sitting Rivers. Or when GS realized they had something in Draymond, they sat or traded guys.

The guys that they clear for.... they have to obviously earn it.

Jimbo didn’t even say that they should trade those guys in his post. He said the only way for Frank to probably get regular mins would be if they did trade those guys. Sounded more like he was being practical.

Frank though is 22 yrs old. Has more long term potential. Pretty basic stuff that you wouldn’t need to be a loyal Frank fan to grasp. Only would need to care about the best interest of the Knicks long term big picture wise. Also don’t view Frank as PG so wouldn’t want to remove Payton for this specific reason. Then force him to have him play there.

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Frank did well since he was interted in the rotation. Even if im happy that he showed growth offensively upon his return And we even heard thibs give some nice words ablout Frank, I still think that it didnt move the needle for Thibs to expand his rotation. The only path i see for frank to get minutes on this team is for the FO to trade Payton or Bullock or Burks to oven up minutes for Frank. Unless thibs can shave off minutes from Payton, Bullock or RJ to open up minutes for Frank.

So they should cater to the 11th man on the depth chart.

Your suggesting that they trade players that are better than him, so his loyal fans can see him play more.

Hey payton, i know you have a NTC but we are willing to do whatever it takes to move you because franks a better pg

Hey Bullock I know you have been pretty damn solid this season, and have build a solid chemistry with the starting unit, but we have to play frank so we will trade you

Hey Burks, i know you were our biggest off season acquisition, and have been playing solid, but we need to get frank out there, so we will trade you.

I think they were playing frank to showcase what he has before the Trade deadline

This is literally what teams do to get better. They sit or trade guys to make way for better guys. Like sitting Rivers. Or when GS realized they had something in Draymond, they sat or traded guys.

The guys that they clear for.... they have to obviously earn it.

Wait, this FO gave Payton an NTC??? How'd that happen? Not that I hate Elfrid, but I thought NTC's were reserved for your upper echelon players...

It's by virtue of the type of contract Elf signed. They didn't GIVE him the NTC, his contract and situation warranted it

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Frank did well since he was interted in the rotation. Even if im happy that he showed growth offensively upon his return And we even heard thibs give some nice words ablout Frank, I still think that it didnt move the needle for Thibs to expand his rotation. The only path i see for frank to get minutes on this team is for the FO to trade Payton or Bullock or Burks to oven up minutes for Frank. Unless thibs can shave off minutes from Payton, Bullock or RJ to open up minutes for Frank.

So they should cater to the 11th man on the depth chart.

Your suggesting that they trade players that are better than him, so his loyal fans can see him play more.

Hey payton, i know you have a NTC but we are willing to do whatever it takes to move you because franks a better pg

Hey Bullock I know you have been pretty damn solid this season, and have build a solid chemistry with the starting unit, but we have to play frank so we will trade you

Hey Burks, i know you were our biggest off season acquisition, and have been playing solid, but we need to get frank out there, so we will trade you.

I think they were playing frank to showcase what he has before the Trade deadline

This is literally what teams do to get better. They sit or trade guys to make way for better guys. Like sitting Rivers. Or when GS realized they had something in Draymond, they sat or traded guys.

The guys that they clear for.... they have to obviously earn it.

Wait, this FO gave Payton an NTC??? How'd that happen? Not that I hate Elfrid, but I thought NTC's were reserved for your upper echelon players...

It's by virtue of the type of contract Elf signed. They didn't GIVE him the NTC, his contract and situation warranted it

I really should have went to law school. Contract and situation. Nice. Thanks, martin. Oh and by the way.

No

A player who re-signs with his previous team on a one-year contract – or a two-year deal with an option year – is given no-trade protection. So is a player who signs an offer sheet and has that offer matched by his previous team. Players who accept one-year qualifying offers after their rookie contracts expire also receive veto power.

This came out of nowhere lol.

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Frank on the season(9gms) putting up 48.6fg%, 61.9 3pt%, 60ft%, 66 TS%, 121 ORTG, 109 DRTG, 135 WS48, -1.5 OBPM, 2.0 DBPM

This came out of nowhere lol.

if he finishes the year healthy he will get a good offer as a 3&D rotation guy. If he ends up hitting the 3 at 40% and playing good D late in the season someone is going to give him a good 3 year offer. It would be a great arc to the Frank saga (especially for knicks1248) if Frank was resigned and a valuable piece to a winning squad

There is no way he maintains shooting the 3 at a 62% clip. So there is gonna be some type of drop off. That WS48 and ORTG are very appealing though. Makings of a quality rotational 3&D role player. Who could get spot duty, making a ball handler work for it in key moments late in a game.

Wait until he plays next to a high level ball handler playmaker who routinely creates open looks.

I just love this team. I said last year the team had talent, it just was not coming together. This year it is coming together with another year of experience and better coaching, and Frank’s play is a reflection of that. The kid has become a legit 3 and D wing. They should trade Payton and start Frank and let D Rose and Quickley maintain their bench roles. Frank’s shooting will help with spacing in the starting unit.

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Frank on the season(9gms) putting up 48.6fg%, 61.9 3pt%, 60ft%, 66 TS%, 121 ORTG, 109 DRTG, 135 WS48, -1.5 OBPM, 2.0 DBPM

This came out of nowhere lol.

if he finishes the year healthy he will get a good offer as a 3&D rotation guy. If he ends up hitting the 3 at 40% and playing good D late in the season someone is going to give him a good 3 year offer. It would be a great arc to the Frank saga (especially for knicks1248) if Frank was resigned and a valuable piece to a winning squad

There is no way he maintains shooting the 3 at a 62% clip. So there is gonna be some type of drop off. That WS48 and ORTG are very appealing though. Makings of a quality rotational 3&D role player. Who could get spot duty, making a ball handler work for it in key moments late in a game.

Wait until he plays next to a high level ball handler playmaker who routinely creates open looks.

Who knows. Mitch set a mark previously held by Wilt Chamberlin. We tallking about a dude that one need only say his first name and thats it!!!
Maybe Frank can be a new catigorical leader?
Personally, I'd like to see him get more games in and we can finally put the question to rest as to who is he is. With RFA looming perhaps we get some closure if a multi year contract is offered either by us or elsewhere. Provided he is not traded.

How many games would he need to legitimize it? lol