Uptown wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Juliano wrote:

nychamp wrote:He had a great game last night.
Don't know the stats, but eye test he played an excellent game. Defense, spacing, team ball.

He'll still have to improve his stats to make a spot for himself. 5pts, 1ast, 5rb and a +/- of -2 don't look great, however the eye test may look.

No... we want to see his stats improve, but he lead the team in minutes last night and I think of the 30ish minutes he was on the floor he gave up a 3 to Prince and a floater to Bazemore. Frank was all over the place handling the ball, deflecting passes... his early 3 was a big shot to get the Knicks going. The only reason he was not good on the +/- was he was the only one on the floor while both the starter and bench struggled, which both units did at first.

What we saw last night was good play from Frank in a winning cause. I 100% agree that we can ask for much more, especially on offense, but for now he's playing a role and a very important one. I wanted to start Frank/Lance at the forwards because I thought to have any success we needed those blue collar guys out there with our scorers. It worked perfectly, because Burke/THjt/Enes were all great. Dont you think Lance/Frank had a role in their success?

Look... to be a great draft pick Frank needs to be a 2 way player. He isnt, he's a defensive specialist. However at 20 and showing great improvement I am very happy because I already think he's an effective NBA player. Can we expect more? Ask for more? Heck yea...

I dont want Frank to be a defensive specialist. I am happy that our coach is using his best skill as a real weapon out there. Juliano I am with you... Frank needs to show more. I am confident he will continue to, and do so while playing quality NBA minutes.

Frank gave up a lot more than those 2 baskets.He got beat by his man much more than that. He is good defensively NOT great. He is great in the passing lanes , ok man to man defense. He still gets beat way too much on man to man and commits silly fouls.I am not even talking about his offensive game which needs a lot more time. Offensively he looks 2 years away from being ready in 2 years. Some poster said Frank had a "great game" last night. Really? great? No way. Thats like when your kid is a D student and comes home with a 75 on a test. Great job Frankie !!! I know I am in the minority here but I'll wait for the superlatives for when he really deserves them.

You're not wrong at all...Obviously it's one game, but this game pointed out why Burke needs to be in the 1st 5 for this team. At the point, Burke is the only pg who plays down hill and puts constant pressure on the defense. It's the way the NBA is being played today. At this point in Franks career, he's not that dude. He's a glue guy and an unselfish ball mover right now and there's nothing wrong with that. All good teams need guys like Frank.

Frank had a handful of nice moments, disrupting plays, recovering and helping...little things that don't normally show up. He was far from the best player on the floor and has a very long way to go offensively. Can he become more aggressive offensively as he gains more experience? Perhaps. But, it just doesn't seem to be in his DNA.

I'll keep saying it over and over, his calling is defense and making the extra pass. In 34 minutes (the most min played) he took just 7 shots despite having the green light. If that doesn't tell you that he has little to you no interest in shooting, IDK what to tell you.

Stop thinking he's a pg, and stop thinking he will avg double digits in scoring, not his game.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Juliano wrote:

nychamp wrote:He had a great game last night.
Don't know the stats, but eye test he played an excellent game. Defense, spacing, team ball.

He'll still have to improve his stats to make a spot for himself. 5pts, 1ast, 5rb and a +/- of -2 don't look great, however the eye test may look.

No... we want to see his stats improve, but he lead the team in minutes last night and I think of the 30ish minutes he was on the floor he gave up a 3 to Prince and a floater to Bazemore. Frank was all over the place handling the ball, deflecting passes... his early 3 was a big shot to get the Knicks going. The only reason he was not good on the +/- was he was the only one on the floor while both the starter and bench struggled, which both units did at first.

What we saw last night was good play from Frank in a winning cause. I 100% agree that we can ask for much more, especially on offense, but for now he's playing a role and a very important one. I wanted to start Frank/Lance at the forwards because I thought to have any success we needed those blue collar guys out there with our scorers. It worked perfectly, because Burke/THjt/Enes were all great. Dont you think Lance/Frank had a role in their success?

Look... to be a great draft pick Frank needs to be a 2 way player. He isnt, he's a defensive specialist. However at 20 and showing great improvement I am very happy because I already think he's an effective NBA player. Can we expect more? Ask for more? Heck yea...

I dont want Frank to be a defensive specialist. I am happy that our coach is using his best skill as a real weapon out there. Juliano I am with you... Frank needs to show more. I am confident he will continue to, and do so while playing quality NBA minutes.

Frank gave up a lot more than those 2 baskets.He got beat by his man much more than that. He is good defensively NOT great. He is great in the passing lanes , ok man to man defense. He still gets beat way too much on man to man and commits silly fouls.I am not even talking about his offensive game which needs a lot more time. Offensively he looks 2 years away from being ready in 2 years. Some poster said Frank had a "great game" last night. Really? great? No way. Thats like when your kid is a D student and comes home with a 75 on a test. Great job Frankie !!! I know I am in the minority here but I'll wait for the superlatives for when he really deserves them.

You're not wrong at all...Obviously it's one game, but this game pointed out why Burke needs to be in the 1st 5 for this team. At the point, Burke is the only pg who plays down hill and puts constant pressure on the defense. It's the way the NBA is being played today. At this point in Franks career, he's not that dude. He's a glue guy and an unselfish ball mover right now and there's nothing wrong with that. All good teams need guys like Frank.

Frank had a handful of nice moments, disrupting plays, recovering and helping...little things that don't normally show up. He was far from the best player on the floor and has a very long way to go offensively. Can he become more aggressive offensively as he gains more experience? Perhaps. But, it just doesn't seem to be in his DNA.

well we have to see what burke does against better competition. I mean playing against Trae Young is like basically playing against nobody on defense. I agree I dont think Frank was the best player, Timmy deserves that. However like you said Even was Frank isnt scoring his decisions and defense alone give us chances to win which is why he is so damn valuable to our future. The offense will come and im sure in the upcominf games he will have more oppurtunties there

Regardless of how he does against better comp, my point is, IMO, Burke is the best option at pg on this team because of his ability to get into the paint, collapse the D and get his own shot if the offense breaks down. He's also our best PNR player...As the comp gets better, not only will Trae struggle, but so will most of the team as we are young and we are not stacked with talent. I love the effort and energy we played with last night. That will get us W's vs the teams we are even-up with.

Uptown wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Juliano wrote:

nychamp wrote:He had a great game last night.
Don't know the stats, but eye test he played an excellent game. Defense, spacing, team ball.

He'll still have to improve his stats to make a spot for himself. 5pts, 1ast, 5rb and a +/- of -2 don't look great, however the eye test may look.

No... we want to see his stats improve, but he lead the team in minutes last night and I think of the 30ish minutes he was on the floor he gave up a 3 to Prince and a floater to Bazemore. Frank was all over the place handling the ball, deflecting passes... his early 3 was a big shot to get the Knicks going. The only reason he was not good on the +/- was he was the only one on the floor while both the starter and bench struggled, which both units did at first.

What we saw last night was good play from Frank in a winning cause. I 100% agree that we can ask for much more, especially on offense, but for now he's playing a role and a very important one. I wanted to start Frank/Lance at the forwards because I thought to have any success we needed those blue collar guys out there with our scorers. It worked perfectly, because Burke/THjt/Enes were all great. Dont you think Lance/Frank had a role in their success?

Look... to be a great draft pick Frank needs to be a 2 way player. He isnt, he's a defensive specialist. However at 20 and showing great improvement I am very happy because I already think he's an effective NBA player. Can we expect more? Ask for more? Heck yea...

I dont want Frank to be a defensive specialist. I am happy that our coach is using his best skill as a real weapon out there. Juliano I am with you... Frank needs to show more. I am confident he will continue to, and do so while playing quality NBA minutes.

Frank gave up a lot more than those 2 baskets.He got beat by his man much more than that. He is good defensively NOT great. He is great in the passing lanes , ok man to man defense. He still gets beat way too much on man to man and commits silly fouls.I am not even talking about his offensive game which needs a lot more time. Offensively he looks 2 years away from being ready in 2 years. Some poster said Frank had a "great game" last night. Really? great? No way. Thats like when your kid is a D student and comes home with a 75 on a test. Great job Frankie !!! I know I am in the minority here but I'll wait for the superlatives for when he really deserves them.

You're not wrong at all...Obviously it's one game, but this game pointed out why Burke needs to be in the 1st 5 for this team. At the point, Burke is the only pg who plays down hill and puts constant pressure on the defense. It's the way the NBA is being played today. At this point in Franks career, he's not that dude. He's a glue guy and an unselfish ball mover right now and there's nothing wrong with that. All good teams need guys like Frank.

Frank had a handful of nice moments, disrupting plays, recovering and helping...little things that don't normally show up. He was far from the best player on the floor and has a very long way to go offensively. Can he become more aggressive offensively as he gains more experience? Perhaps. But, it just doesn't seem to be in his DNA.

well we have to see what burke does against better competition. I mean playing against Trae Young is like basically playing against nobody on defense. I agree I dont think Frank was the best player, Timmy deserves that. However like you said Even was Frank isnt scoring his decisions and defense alone give us chances to win which is why he is so damn valuable to our future. The offense will come and im sure in the upcominf games he will have more oppurtunties there

Regardless of how he does against better comp, my point is, IMO, Burke is the best option at pg on this team because of his ability to get into the pain, collapse the D and get his own shot if the offense breaks down. He's also out bets PNR player...As the comp gets better, not only will Trae struggle, but so will most of the team as we are young and we are not stacked with talent. I love the effort and energy we played with last night. That will get us W's vs the teams we are even-up with.

martin wrote:

Marv wrote:i know people get tired of the chauncey reference but man, he languished in the league for 7 years as a meh player. 7 years! and 5 teams! then he took off and was all-world for years. i think detroit was glad they had a player like that for years of his prime.

If Frank turns out to be a guard version of Draymond Green, I'd be ecstatic with that

Uptown wrote:

Marv wrote:i know people get tired of the chauncey reference but man, he languished in the league for 7 years as a meh player. 7 years! and 5 teams! then he took off and was all-world for years. i think detroit was glad they had a player like that for years of his prime.

Billups was a different prospect than Frank. Billup was one of if not the best HS BB player in the state of Colorado. Billups was a way more advanced scorer in HS and College than Frank was at the same age. He averaged 18pts per in college over the course of 55 games...

Marv wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Marv wrote:i know people get tired of the chauncey reference but man, he languished in the league for 7 years as a meh player. 7 years! and 5 teams! then he took off and was all-world for years. i think detroit was glad they had a player like that for years of his prime.

Billups was a different prospect than Frank. Billup was one of if not the best HS BB player in the state of Colorado. Billups was a way more advanced scorer in HS and College than Frank was at the same age. He averaged 18pts per in college over the course of 55 games...

all true. but frank did average 20 ppg in his final euro championships which is very high level ball . . .

BigRedDog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Juliano wrote:

nychamp wrote:He had a great game last night.
Don't know the stats, but eye test he played an excellent game. Defense, spacing, team ball.

He'll still have to improve his stats to make a spot for himself. 5pts, 1ast, 5rb and a +/- of -2 don't look great, however the eye test may look.

No... we want to see his stats improve, but he lead the team in minutes last night and I think of the 30ish minutes he was on the floor he gave up a 3 to Prince and a floater to Bazemore. Frank was all over the place handling the ball, deflecting passes... his early 3 was a big shot to get the Knicks going. The only reason he was not good on the +/- was he was the only one on the floor while both the starter and bench struggled, which both units did at first.

What we saw last night was good play from Frank in a winning cause. I 100% agree that we can ask for much more, especially on offense, but for now he's playing a role and a very important one. I wanted to start Frank/Lance at the forwards because I thought to have any success we needed those blue collar guys out there with our scorers. It worked perfectly, because Burke/THjt/Enes were all great. Dont you think Lance/Frank had a role in their success?

Look... to be a great draft pick Frank needs to be a 2 way player. He isnt, he's a defensive specialist. However at 20 and showing great improvement I am very happy because I already think he's an effective NBA player. Can we expect more? Ask for more? Heck yea...

I dont want Frank to be a defensive specialist. I am happy that our coach is using his best skill as a real weapon out there. Juliano I am with you... Frank needs to show more. I am confident he will continue to, and do so while playing quality NBA minutes.

Frank gave up a lot more than those 2 baskets.He got beat by his man much more than that. He is good defensively NOT great. He is great in the passing lanes , ok man to man defense. He still gets beat way too much on man to man and commits silly fouls.I am not even talking about his offensive game which needs a lot more time. Offensively he looks 2 years away from being ready in 2 years. Some poster said Frank had a "great game" last night. Really? great? No way. Thats like when your kid is a D student and comes home with a 75 on a test. Great job Frankie !!! I know I am in the minority here but I'll wait for the superlatives for when he really deserves them.

Its one game. Was he great? In his role he most certainly was. The point is his role is limited and HE wont be great until it expands.

You know who else had a **** stat line? Baker. If you watched the game you would see that Baker/Frank had a huge impact on that game. You disagree?

BigDaddyG wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Marv wrote:i know people get tired of the chauncey reference but man, he languished in the league for 7 years as a meh player. 7 years! and 5 teams! then he took off and was all-world for years. i think detroit was glad they had a player like that for years of his prime.

Billups was a different prospect than Frank. Billup was one of if not the best HS BB player in the state of Colorado. Billups was a way more advanced scorer in HS and College than Frank was at the same age. He averaged 18pts per in college over the course of 55 games...

This point has been brought before and it's impossible to say if it's true or not. Frank never played with his peers at the same age. He was already a pro. He blew up the one tournament we have on record with him playing kids in is age group.

Marv wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Marv wrote:i know people get tired of the chauncey reference but man, he languished in the league for 7 years as a meh player. 7 years! and 5 teams! then he took off and was all-world for years. i think detroit was glad they had a player like that for years of his prime.

Billups was a different prospect than Frank. Billup was one of if not the best HS BB player in the state of Colorado. Billups was a way more advanced scorer in HS and College than Frank was at the same age. He averaged 18pts per in college over the course of 55 games...

all true. but frank did average 20 ppg in his final euro championships which is very high level ball . . .

In what year? I pulled some stats and it came up as Euro 2016 championships....if that's the one you are talking about, he averaged 15 pts per over 6 games.