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Knicks want him to give back more money and he is not having it. The issue though is the players' union is probably not going to let the Knicks just keep him away from the team. If he is not hurt and has done nothing wrong, then the players' union is going to make an issue of it. This should get resolved soon.

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TheGame wrote:Knicks want him to give back more money and he is not having it. The issue though is the players' union is probably not going to let the Knicks just keep him away from the team. If he is not hurt and has done nothing wrong, then the players' union is going to make an issue of it. This should get resolved soon.

You are right, the players' union is also a very big party here..

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TheGame wrote:Knicks want him to give back more money and he is not having it. The issue though is the players' union is probably not going to let the Knicks just keep him away from the team. If he is not hurt and has done nothing wrong, then the players' union is going to make an issue of it. This should get resolved soon.
You are right, the players' union is also a very big party here..

Noah is such a scumbag give back the league min for this and next year and be done with it. You made 67 million for a being a PED abusing, injured ,waste of a roster space. Go to hell

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Think he was talking to Phil Jackson not the Knicks. Rumor is Phil has him trapped in Montana just in case he gets another chance to revive the Triangle. I mean, Noah is the perfect Triangle guy right?

Some may be shocked, but I say let him play in Dleague and bring him up if he plays well. May bring up his value? It can't get any lower. Which is about as high as the above referenced Triangle.

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Used to be such a huge fan. Hasnt been a stand up guy for a few seasons now.

Got into beefs with his last 2 coaches, took the money, took the peds, and tried to take the crown from Marbury for the worst coming home ever. Good riddance.

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GustavBahler wrote:Used to be such a huge fan. Hasnt been a stand up guy for a few seasons now.
Got into beefs with his last 2 coaches, took the money, took the peds, and tried to take the crown from Marbury for the worst coming home ever. Good riddance.

Agreed. I hated the deal from Day 1 BUT he used to be a player that actually gave a damn about playing hard

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GustavBahler wrote:Used to be such a huge fan. Hasnt been a stand up guy for a few seasons now.
Got into beefs with his last 2 coaches, took the money, took the peds, and tried to take the crown from Marbury for the worst coming home ever. Good riddance.
Agreed. I hated the deal from Day 1 BUT he used to be a player that actually gave a damn about playing hard

I was on board at the time but folks are right, this may be the worst free agent signing in Knicks history. A lot of people said it at the time and they were right.

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TheGame wrote:Knicks want him to give back more money and he is not having it. The issue though is the players' union is probably not going to let the Knicks just keep him away from the team. If he is not hurt and has done nothing wrong, then the players' union is going to make an issue of it. This should get resolved soon.

Agreed. It should be more about compromise than trying to stick the Knicks up for every dime owed out of spite. But if the union gets involved the Knicks probably have very little leverage and Noah will probably get all of his money and his freedom.

At the end of the day this is a business and if the roles were reversed the Knicks would do what's in the best interest of the organization. So I can't really fault Noah for doing the same. HOWEVER...Noah was the one who sold himself to us and didn't deliver. Have some integrity. It's not like the Knicks are asking him to give back half the money owed.

I've lost so much respect for this dude.

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TheGame wrote:Knicks want him to give back more money and he is not having it. The issue though is the players' union is probably not going to let the Knicks just keep him away from the team. If he is not hurt and has done nothing wrong, then the players' union is going to make an issue of it. This should get resolved soon.
Agreed. It should be more about compromise than trying to stick the Knicks up for every dime owed out of spite. But if the union gets involved the Knicks probably have very little leverage and Noah will probably get all of his money and his freedom.
At the end of the day this is a business and if the roles were reversed the Knicks would do what's in the best interest of the organization. So I can't really fault Noah for doing the same. HOWEVER...Noah was the one who sold himself to us and didn't deliver. Have some integrity. It's not like the Knicks are asking him to give back half the money owed.
I've lost so much respect for this dude.

True but if noah was honest with himself he would know he doesnt deserve all that money with how he played and his overall attitude. He cant blame the Knicks for his suspension and things like that

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GustavBahler wrote:Used to be such a huge fan. Hasnt been a stand up guy for a few seasons now.
Got into beefs with his last 2 coaches, took the money, took the peds, and tried to take the crown from Marbury for the worst coming home ever. Good riddance.
Agreed. I hated the deal from Day 1 BUT he used to be a player that actually gave a damn about playing hard

I think he still gives a damn, but the body isn't willing. But he needs to go. I just wished Noah's team and the Knicks organization had waited until the was close to being done before leaking it to the media.

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Pure idiocy giving this guy FOUR guaranteed years. This is not hindsight. He was on the decline, everyone knew it, and injured. It was just short Eddy Curry trade level stupid.

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TheGame wrote:Knicks want him to give back more money and he is not having it. The issue though is the players' union is probably not going to let the Knicks just keep him away from the team. If he is not hurt and has done nothing wrong, then the players' union is going to make an issue of it. This should get resolved soon.

There should be no problem in letting him mix it up with the Westchester Knicks. If he won't give up money we are under no obligation to release him. Ideally I don't want to be paying any of his salary to the cap in the future when we will have KP still in his prime and Knox and Frank with a few years under their belt and we are looking for a piece or 2 to put us in playoff contention at least. As far as his post, the dude is free to leave whenever he wants, he just has to give up on having money he didn't earn. No sympathy there.

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TheGame wrote:Knicks want him to give back more money and he is not having it. The issue though is the players' union is probably not going to let the Knicks just keep him away from the team. If he is not hurt and has done nothing wrong, then the players' union is going to make an issue of it. This should get resolved soon.
There should be no problem in letting him mix it up with the Westchester Knicks. If he won't give up money we are under no obligation to release him. Ideally I don't want to be paying any of his salary to the cap in the future when we will have KP still in his prime and Knox and Frank with a few years under their belt and we are looking for a piece or 2 to put us in playoff contention at least.

I don't want him bringing negative energy to Westchester while we're trying to develop young players. Now, I assume we're under no obligation to activate him to play if he's on the roster.

Unless the player's union gets involved he has a choice: 1) get all his money and sit; or 2) work with the Knicks and leave some money on the table to get freed up to play and make up the money with his new team (Minnesota).

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TheGame wrote:Knicks want him to give back more money and he is not having it. The issue though is the players' union is probably not going to let the Knicks just keep him away from the team. If he is not hurt and has done nothing wrong, then the players' union is going to make an issue of it. This should get resolved soon.
There should be no problem in letting him mix it up with the Westchester Knicks. If he won't give up money we are under no obligation to release him. Ideally I don't want to be paying any of his salary to the cap in the future when we will have KP still in his prime and Knox and Frank with a few years under their belt and we are looking for a piece or 2 to put us in playoff contention at least.
I don't want him bringing negative energy to Westchester while we're trying to develop young players. Now, I assume we're under no obligation to activate him to play if he's on the roster.
Unless the player's union gets involved he has a choice: 1) get all his money and sit; or 2) work with the Knicks and leave some money on the table to get freed up to play and make up the money with his new team (Minnesota).

Well if we keep him around and never play him, I'm sure he'll blow up again and we could then justifiably keep him away from the team or suspend him. When the chips are down he seems like a real jackass.

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GustavBahler wrote:Used to be such a huge fan. Hasnt been a stand up guy for a few seasons now.
Got into beefs with his last 2 coaches, took the money, took the peds, and tried to take the crown from Marbury for the worst coming home ever. Good riddance.
Agreed. I hated the deal from Day 1 BUT he used to be a player that actually gave a damn about playing hard

A guy who gave a damn about playing hard, becomes a money grabbing drug addict upon becoming a Knick? And I get that it's all we can do to dump on him, but do you think the Knicks have any accountability in this?

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Welpee wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
TheGame wrote:Knicks want him to give back more money and he is not having it. The issue though is the players' union is probably not going to let the Knicks just keep him away from the team. If he is not hurt and has done nothing wrong, then the players' union is going to make an issue of it. This should get resolved soon.
There should be no problem in letting him mix it up with the Westchester Knicks. If he won't give up money we are under no obligation to release him. Ideally I don't want to be paying any of his salary to the cap in the future when we will have KP still in his prime and Knox and Frank with a few years under their belt and we are looking for a piece or 2 to put us in playoff contention at least.
I don't want him bringing negative energy to Westchester while we're trying to develop young players. Now, I assume we're under no obligation to activate him to play if he's on the roster.
Unless the player's union gets involved he has a choice: 1) get all his money and sit; or 2) work with the Knicks and leave some money on the table to get freed up to play and make up the money with his new team (Minnesota).
Well if we keep him around and never play him, I'm sure he'll blow up again and we could then justifiably keep him away from the team or suspend him. When the chips are down he seems like a real jackass.

This is actually one of the saddest things I have seen someone post here. You are actually suggesting we goad this guy into failing in his life again.

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Can we send him to the G League? Maybe riding around on buses and being put up in shared hotel rooms will get him to give back some salary.

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StarksEwing1 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Used to be such a huge fan. Hasnt been a stand up guy for a few seasons now.
Got into beefs with his last 2 coaches, took the money, took the peds, and tried to take the crown from Marbury for the worst coming home ever. Good riddance.
Agreed. I hated the deal from Day 1 BUT he used to be a player that actually gave a damn about playing hard

A guy who gave a damn about playing hard, becomes a money grabbing drug addict upon becoming a Knick? And I get that it's all we can do to dump on him, but do you think the Knicks have any accountability in this?

Never said the Knicks are not accountable BUT Noah has done nothing to deserve any sympathy....thats for damn sure. I mean i admit i was never a Melo fan but he handled the whole "divorce" pretty professionaly

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