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BigDaddyG
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7/31/2018 11:15 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:BigRedDog wrote:In the meantime when Frank was playing against Tre Young in summer league, NOT once did he back him down low. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink It doesn't matter what you say. Those people who hate Frank are going to nitpick his negatives and ignore his positives. He only had two games, one good and one bad. Why just comment on the first games, but ignore the second game where he corrected many of his mistakes? Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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BigDaddyG
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7/31/2018 6:03 PM
Someone posted this on Reddit. At about 5:30 mark GP starts talking about his struggles scoring in the league his first two seasons, his dedication to defense early in his career, the work he put in to increase his confidence and improve his mindset, and the moment it all started to click. This is for everyone who wants to keep repeating this players don't change and Frank is a bust mantra. Keep in mind that GO was the second overall pick in his draft class and played four seasons in college. Unrelated, this show sucks vig time. The only thing it has going for it was Joy Taylor. Now that she's gone,the show has become completely unwatchable for me.
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GustavBahler
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7/31/2018 7:12 PM LAST EDITED: 7/31/2018 7:13 PM
Its great that the Knicks have a trainer working with Frank on being more aggressive. Saying what I have about Frank's "mindset" on offense. Will be up to Frank to put what he's learned to good use. If its another season of anemic offense, dont need to hear that he needs more time to develop that mindset.
Glad to see that Fizdale has Kanter working on his perimeter shooting. Dont really know if Fizdale wanted Kanter to pick up his option. Either way he's working on Kanter expanding his game. If Perry has plans to move him, this can only help. I hope Kanter gets the chance to prove either way he can be an asset. He's volunteered to mentor Robinson. Kanter's skill as a post player, his willingness to help Mitchell, is an added bonus. |
martin
Posts: 68648 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
7/31/2018 7:59 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Its great that the Knicks have a trainer working with Frank on being more aggressive. Saying what I have about Frank's "mindset" on offense. Will be up to Frank to put what he's learned to good use. If its another season of anemic offense, dont need to hear that he needs more time to develop that mindset. Not sure I understand this statement. You have a cutoff for when you think Frank will most likely fall into a proper "mindset"? Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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GustavBahler
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7/31/2018 8:34 PM LAST EDITED: 7/31/2018 8:35 PM
martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Its great that the Knicks have a trainer working with Frank on being more aggressive. Saying what I have about Frank's "mindset" on offense. Will be up to Frank to put what he's learned to good use. If its another season of anemic offense, dont need to hear that he needs more time to develop that mindset. Its my preference for the Knicks cutoff for seriously considering offers to upgrade the backcourt. Not really thrilled with the 2019 FA class, at the top of the list. If Perry sees an opportunity in a trade that can net us a legit playoff caliber, starting PG. Who isnt close to 30, I would like to see him go for it. We still need a legit starting PG to field a contender. If Frank isnt it, maybe he can help get us one. Not looking for a finished project by the end of year 2, at any position, but a season on offense that looks nothing like Frank's rookie year. At the bottom of the league in taking it to the rim, aggressiveness. |
GustavBahler
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8/1/2018 12:39 AM LAST EDITED: 8/1/2018 12:40 AM
TripleThreat wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Its my preference for the Knicks cutoff for seriously considering offers to upgrade the backcourt. Not really thrilled with the 2019 FA class, at the top of the list. Was saying the cutoff was the end of Frank's second season. If he's still essentially the same player on offense. Its likely if there is a real change in his game, its going to take all 4 years. If it happens at all. Thats when your question comes into play IMO. "Could his value tank more?" Believe the answer to that is a big yes. Right now (as you pointed out) Some of the best coaches and execs, with championship pedigrees are singing Frank's praises. Talking about him like he's a rising star. If Frank goes through another season where he takes it to the rim with the same frequency, shoots with the same frequency. The talk around the league, Im guessing will go from rising star, to the kind of strong defensive minded player you want coming off the bench. Which description would get us more for Frank? As I said, just want to see him rise from the bottom of the league when it comes to his aggressiveness. A few more points a game, a few more takes to the rim, nevermind his completion pct. Otherwise, with all these young players being brought in, Frank is going to lose minutes to a legit two way player. Thats when his value would really sink. |
Paris907
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8/1/2018 6:32 AM LAST EDITED: 8/1/2018 6:35 AM
Well I am a Frank fan yet if he plays 30+ minutes per nite, there will Be expectations on the offensive end. As far as Kanter is concerned, you can’t teach speed and lateral movement. Mitchell will take his job. He will be one of 9 Knicks - not counting Troy Williams, Beasley, or Kyle OQuinn- that won’t be on the roster in a year.
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Allanfan20
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8/1/2018 7:23 AM
How do you think the Knicks are getting rid of Noah, Lee and Timmy without taking anything back?
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knicks1248
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8/1/2018 8:30 AM
The style of play that fiz wants to play, and the style of play frank is comfortable playing is the biggest concern for me.
Judging by the 2018 draft picks, there's no way frank would have been a Fiz or Perry pick. His play this season is going to dictate his playing time, role and future with the knicks. ES
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martin
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8/1/2018 10:28 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Was saying the cutoff was the end of Frank's second season. If he's still essentially the same player on offense. Its likely if there is a real change in his game, its going to take all 4 years. If it happens at all. Weird to have that opinion when just a few posts up is Gary Payton, describing how at 22 it took him 2 years before he figured out his offensive game and how pathetic it was during his first 2. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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knicks1248
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8/1/2018 10:51 AM
martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Was saying the cutoff was the end of Frank's second season. If he's still essentially the same player on offense. Its likely if there is a real change in his game, its going to take all 4 years. If it happens at all. How does GP's development relate to franks? they're back rounds are nothing a like ES
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GustavBahler
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8/1/2018 10:57 AM LAST EDITED: 8/1/2018 11:03 AM
martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Was saying the cutoff was the end of Frank's second season. If he's still essentially the same player on offense. Its likely if there is a real change in his game, its going to take all 4 years. If it happens at all. Not sure why. The bolded raised the possibility that Frank turns the corner on offense in the second half of his rookie deal. The part you left out was where I said that there was some risk involved in giving him all 4 years to develop, as far as his trade value. You're suggesting that Frank might have the same breakthrough in his third season as Payton. Payton had something that Frank might not have, an attitude. How many players in NBA history had the same motor, the same attitude as Payton? He was a bundle of energy. It was a big driver of his game. If you're suggesting that Frank could make that same leap, also turn into a player with that same edge. Its possible, but unlikely. |
BigDaddyG
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8/1/2018 11:27 AM
GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Was saying the cutoff was the end of Frank's second season. If he's still essentially the same player on offense. Its likely if there is a real change in his game, its going to take all 4 years. If it happens at all. GP says in the interview that he wasn't aggressive offensively his first two years. His shot wasn't effective and he didn't drive the ball. He had to build his confidence up piece by piece. The only thing he had any confidence in coming into the league was his defense. You don't see any parallels? You don't compete on D like Frank if you're soft lol Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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Paris907
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8/1/2018 11:31 AM
Noah and Lee (Who is rumored to be heading to Houston)will require us taking back expiring as well. Tim is tough and will depend on his performance through first half of this season. $39 mm left at that point. There will be room on the roster.
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BigDaddyG
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8/1/2018 11:34 AM
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Was saying the cutoff was the end of Frank's second season. If he's still essentially the same player on offense. Its likely if there is a real change in his game, its going to take all 4 years. If it happens at all. They're both lottery picks who came into the league with games centered around defense. They also had to develop their offensive games. GP said he had to learn how to use his body to take advantage of smaller points. He also said he had to develop the confidence to become more agressive. Isn't that the same Brickley said he's working on with Frank? Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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