Outlook: Could turn into a huge threat on both the pick-and-roll and pick-and-pop due to his mobility, strength and touch … His upside is potentially at All-Star or borderline All-Star level … Seen as a likely top 10 pick and a relative lock for the lottery ... A hard working kid with a lot of upside, the only drawback is that he may take time for things to click and could lose confidence if he is not successful in his first 2-3 seasons. A candidate to disappoint initially and break out with his second NBA team ...

In this case, the Knicks would be what, his 4th team? Wow. At the price of close to nothing, why not? :)

I spent some time watching Vonleh highlights - he's a lot beefier than I remembered. Lots of highlight slams. It seems as if his coaches in general have asked him to keep things simple and to be a lunchpail sort of big. Rarely was he asked to shoot from outside or create in ISO. Looks like he has good hands, explosive dunker. He probably takes too many 3's, though. Interestingly, looking at his stats - given the wingspan you'd expect more steals or blocks or something tangible.

The upside of this that things might just start to click with him with a staff that's good at developing young talent. Fizdale has obviously convinced the staff of his teaching prowess - give him lemons, he'll make you lemonade.

At this point, the Knick roster has transformed from a team in limbo with Carmelo to a young, long, athletic team.

I'd be a little worried for Fizdale in the sense that he has a bit of a Coach Calipari-like conundrum. A lot of talented players who need time to develop, but at the same time it's not so clear who the best players are... and which ones just help you win.

We might have the makings of the 2003-2004 NBA Champion Pistons, with a go-to-player by committee approach. Maybe we can sport a team that's able to play hard from beginning to end with little drop-off in play when we go to the bench.

Or we might have the makings of a terribly mediocre team where the rotations are too flexible, where players are frustrated by their roles changing game to game, and the players & team chemistry fail to develop.

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Wow. Another former lottery pick that is in his early twenties. Nice.

just what we need, another Noah

Some speculation on twitter that this means a Lee trade is coming soon. Just speculation.

I think it just means we're stretching j. Noah in September

Why? You don't gain ANYTHING from stretching Noah until the next move of filling his cap space is determined. In fact, you handcuff youself

You gain one roster spot

Thanks captain obvious. You can do that to any number of players on the team without also incurring a $6M cap hit for 3 years.

It's like some ppl don't understand that, and i think it's a little more than 6, it's more like 8 or 9 mill.

Its OK to be wrong or understand your not including all the facts. Its just funny as hell when your so sure of yourself......

"Noah is guaranteed $18,530,000 next season and $19,295,000 the following season. By waiting until Sept. 1, the Knicks would pay Noah’s entire 2018-19 salary that season (when they don’t project to have cap space, anyway) and then take $6,431,667 cap hits each of the following three seasons."

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/05/14/report-knicks-still-planning-to-amnesty-joakim-noah-on-sept-1/

Your not exactly incorrect but your far from being the defacto expert you elevate yourself to.
BTW, I doubled up on my meds today and the clarity is stunning!

It's an interesting to debate whether staying in school for 2-4 years vs going pro 1-and-done style is better developmentally. Would Vonleh have developed better under the tutelage of a college coach vs generally less polished competition than the NBA? Would first mastering the competition at the college ranks and enjoying spending time as a college kid do more for maturity than training against pros?

In any case, as we look back and read their pre-draft scouting reports, one has to wonder whether they've been damaged by their formative experience in the pros... or if their initial scouting reports were just plain wrong.

Thinking of another young Trailblazer big man... Jermaine O'Neal. He looked like a complete bust after 4 years. Struggled to earn minutes, averaging around 11mpg, 4ppg, 3rpg - though taking a closer look, that projected to around 12ppg/10rpg/2+bpg over 36mpg. The Pacers gave him minutes and the rest is history. 6 time all-star.

Vonleh's per 36 numbers for his career to date have been 9.6ppg, 11.0rpg, .8bpg. Not too far off, though in spite of his amazing length, he hasn't emerged as a shot blocker.

knicks1248 wrote:is he a better option then beasely, or did fiz have something against beasely from his HEAT days?

Beasley is hot garbage. Let him JR Smith his way through a nice nba career somewhere else. We’re all stocked up on crazy here.