Jmpasq wrote:I like Burke but how much of his play is just empty numbers? I would like to keep him as a 20 minute bench guard but a starter on a high level playoff team? That is very doubtful.

Empty Stats? Nah, disagree!! He was putting up numbers and getting to all of his spots on the court against allstar level guards....

....We were no where near the playoffs last season. Lets make the playoffs first, before dreaming about being a high level playoff team. In the meantime, Trey should be our starter!!!

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TripleThreat wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I like Burke but how much of his play is just empty numbers? I would like to keep him as a 20 minute bench guard but a starter on a high level playoff team? That is very doubtful.

Some other complications.

Burke did not go a full NBA regular season grind. He did play, but against lesser competition and not at an NBA schedule game pace. The term is "fresh legs"

The D/G League does not test at the rate of the NBA for PEDs/drugs. Burke did a better job of juicing, he looked stronger, but if that's sustainable all season is another story ( They are all juicing. All of them. All of them. I'll say all of them one more time)

Given the talent deficit and injury situation, Burke could call his own number more often last year, but this year, there is more talent on the roster. He's simply not great running an offense and has never shown that capability consistently.

26 is young for real life terms or other careers. In the NBA though, what you see is what you get past your third year. His mid range shooting has improve a lot. I'll give him credit for that. He was playing like a guy wanting a new contract. I'll give him that too.

I don't know if you can have him and Kanter on the floor at the same time. That's too much of zero defense to overcome. The pair has no chance against even a mediocre basic NBA pick and roll.

He's a Knick. Everyone is going to hope for the best. But he was available for a reason to start. His record of incompetence is longer than his record of being useful ( Negating volume. If you get enough minutes and take enough shots, you will generate counting stats of some kind eventually)

Some of this will come down to Tier 5 of free agency. If there are still enough bargains around, strong chance someone more useful can help at the vets minimum.

He looks for his own shot way too much. And honestly, I'm not sure it's a distinction he's making on the floor. (i.e. he's not shown he can play another way) His ability to score and create his own shot do not justify him calling his own number as frequently as he does. The NCAA was a long time ago for him. (It's like saying a chick was hot when she was a sophomore in college, but now she's 5 years removed from that timeline. Now she's fat. She was hot back then! OK, back then, Kevin Spacey was the headliner in some some show called House Of Cards on some upstart streaming service called Netflix. Bill Cosby was also still beloved. People here were worrying about The Sanchize. )

Many of you went to college. Your college background might help you get your first job out of college. Maybe the first couple. In a few instances, the kind of education you get might push the narrative of your entire career ( like being an accountant) But in most cases, for most people, at some point, what you did in college begins to matter less than your experience in the actual working world. Also your networking skills. The people you know. Etc, etc. Burke's college pedigree is meaningless at this point with regards to his NBA career.

I'm sorry, who on the Knicks played good defense under JH and Rambust.

Last time i heard, fiz isn't looking for a traditional pg in his system.

lets be honest, for a every team there are about 2 or 3 solid defenders, the rest are halfway decent,but the system and philosophy is what matters most. we had almost no atlectic players on the roster last season other than KP(half of season)THJ (miss 2 months) and troy.

Do we have a better option ahead of him?

when you say he looks for his shot way to much, do you mean more then CURRY,IRVING, WESTBROOK, CP3, ect, the average to above average Guard in the NBA takes 17 to 20 shots per game, burke avg 13 attempts.

can we also add the way they jerked him around with his minutes and role on the team, 15 min one game, 41 the next, no minutes the next, 20 minutes the next, started the next, played in only the 4th qtr the next game..cmon dude, give him a break.

BigDaddyG wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Never been sold on trey burke. I think he can certainly show flashes but offense but not his oveeall game

Yeah, I'm not sure he should start, but he should get starter type minutes in the beginning. I think I like Frank's versatility coming off the bench, but a THJ/Burke starting backcourt has the potential to be real bad. Trey did put in the effort on D last season. Size will always be an issue, but he was pesky. But his ability to switch, especially next to THJ, will be an issue. Also, is it the board concensus that Mudiay won't factor in this season? It's still too early to call who our starter should.

It's like a 99.9% chance burke is our starter, ya'll are acting like we got better options on the roster..lol, we have none, zero, nada. Are you going to sit burke and stat frank (avg 5 point) or mudiay who is mystery every time he steps on the floor.

BigDaddyG wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Never been sold on trey burke. I think he can certainly show flashes but offense but not his oveeall game

Yeah, I'm not sure he should start, but he should get starter type minutes in the beginning. I think I like Frank's versatility coming off the bench, but a THJ/Burke starting backcourt has the potential to be real bad. Trey did put in the effort on D last season. Size will always be an issue, but he was pesky. But his ability to switch, especially next to THJ, will be an issue. Also, is it the board concensus that Mudiay won't factor in this season? It's still too early to call who our starter should.

It's up to Frank to beat out Burke and Mudiay. And it's up to Burke to show that last season wasn't a fluke. May the best man win and hopefully the Knicks benefit from the results.

Man does he look like Iverson.

newyorknewyork wrote:Who ever earns it earns it.Burke def humbled himself accepting a G-league role. Then put in the work to become a better player. Can always root for guys like that.

It's up to Frank to beat out Burke and Mudiay. And it's up to Burke to show that last season wasn't a fluke. May the best man win and hopefully the Knicks benefit from the results.

Man does he look like Iverson.

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This....I do not want the Knick coaching staff handing over the job to Frank because he was drafted to be the future pg. Burke was our best player down the stretch, and he runs the point much better than Frank did last year. Burke puts constant pressure on the defense, plays down hill and fits the description of NBA lead guards of today. If he is the best lead guard during Training camp, which all signs points to him being so, Burke needs to be our day 1 starter.

He was mos def humbled last season, especially when you consider that he out played everyone in the Knicks backcourt and when we went out and added Mudiay, for some strange reason he jumped ahead of Burke on the depth chart. Burke didn;t complain, just kept putting in work while Mudiay threw the ball alla round the gym and failed to finish in the paint. Trey finished the season strong. i'm rooting for him big time!

Bottom line is that Burke is good for our draftees to understand that you can get sent to G-League if you don't work hard, but you can also sent back or cut (like Troy Williams...who by the way, I think we could bring back if we could get someone on the planet to ask for Ron Baker). But at the same time, Burke is bad for the team because he doesn't have the physical tools to fit into the defensive culture. He's never going to play on a championship team, he's not even going to play on a team with championship aspirations in today's NBA. He's a nice to have when you have people injured and you need firepower to wait the tide out. We don't have a shortage of guards. Would you rather develop Trier (who has been god awful in the eye test during summer league) or invest in a guard who hasn't done much in his first 5 years in the NBA (yes THJr too but at least takes charges on defense).

Frank has been in the league only 1 year and is already outplaying both these guys on D. If that's going to be our culture, defense, then that's where we have to start isn't it? Frank's shooting steadily improved over the season and with an offseason of workouts and experience, it's only going to get better at 19. At present, he is 6 and 7 years younger than Burke and THJr respectively.