knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:Nash is an interesting study. He made the first of his 8 all star appearances with Dallas, 2 in fact.
After two years of lackluster play in PHO he was traded to Dallas and it was not unil he was 26 and his minutes when from about 25 to 35 that his numbers got real good.
He never averaged more than 18.8 pts per game. he lead the league in assists and had gaudy shooting %'s. Two time MVP.
Dallas let him walk as they were concerned about his back.
Funny, you don't mention Frank. Nash had tough rookie campaign and certainly did not play as well on Defense. Nash as 22 his rookie year. Frank will play three seasons THEN be the same age.
No, im not saying Frank will be Nash. But Nash was not nash his rookie year, or the year after, or the year after, or the year after.
But you paint Frank what he is his rookie year to the future. Since your posting this article its a license to call you out on it.
The point your making is that some players need more time. That is true. I hope Mudiay and Mario can develop. I have said this before that you create luck by creating opportunities!!!
The assumption was that Nash came from nowhere to PHX is not true. An allstar by age 27 he was flourishing in Don Nelson's system. MDA and PHX had a hell of a team and it the system propelled him to double MVP status and sure fist ballot HOF!

It should be interesting to see the "FIZ Effect" for Timmy, Frank, Mudiay, Mario, Burke, KP, etc with our new coaching staff.
Good points Knicks1248, there are some players that ascended and we can only hope knicks are recipients of some good "opportunities".

I actually gave him credit for not naming Frank, makes me believe that he believes he wouldn't fit the category of getting good out of nowhere.

Frank at 18 yrs old was the best PNR defending PG in the NBA and was apart of 86% of the Knicks net positive lineups. Probably even more if I go past the 32 lineup count but the mins allocated would devalue it.

Lets see if he can build on these positives he had his rookie yr and get his impact to grow even more.

All those players in that video had a few games in their rookie campaign that showed their ability to really be good, just like Knox has.

It's ridiculous to keep pointing out franks PnR defense when as a team we defended horrible.

Frank Pnr defense is good because of his length and height, it allows him to block the path to the basket, or switch on defense.

Quite Frankly, a player is as good as the system you put him in. If frank was in this yrs draft do you think for one minute that we would take him before young or sexton (if all 3 were available).

We drafted knox because of fiz, his system and how he wants to play, the same reason phil drafted frank.

Now you want frank to reinvent his game to fit fiz system..good luck with that, that rarely every works, and jeremy lin is a prime example. In MDA system he's an all star, everybody else system he's avg or below.

Every player in that video was pretty much 20 yrs old and over when they entered the NBA and took multiple seasons after that to come into their own. Frank is still 19 as we speak until July 28th. Don't you think its silly to come to conclusions on what he is or will be? You also completely ignored him being apart of 86% of the Knicks net positive lineups at 19 years old. He is doing something right. For someone who claims to be about winning...

Frank's games vs Nets, Pacers, Lakers to name a few also showed flashes of how Frank could be a really good impact player on both ends if it were to every all come together for him. And again this is at 19 yrs old.

Fizz wanted Knox because he saw a package of size, length, athleticism, toughness by beating up Bridges, to go with improved handle. Visualizing the *versatility* he can provide him. You try to make is seem like Knox is a completely different prospect than Frank, but the principals are pretty similar within the big picture. Versatility and position less. What Fizz has been preaching for a while now, but since its not convenient you look to spin it. It was said that Young wasn't a Fizz type of guard at the draft. Now why would that be? Again something you will ignore.

As I spoke about in another thread. Donovan Mitchell provided the same things Phil was looking for within the triangle. Not only that, but he would have been a safer bet even if he didn't turn into the star he became due being more NBA ready at 21. So if Phil wanted a safe triangle guard that will just quietly run his system then Mitchell would have been the safer choice. The logical reasoning to take Frank within the context of the triangle is due to unknown potential. You would make a better case if Phil didn't value the PG position at all and signed a cheap veteran who could run the triangle or spent on 2nd round pick on a player with triangle prospects. But that's only if your willing to use logic an not push a narrative.

Your viewpoint is pretty much basic. You want to be entertained first and hope that all the other stuff falls in line after the fact. Frank isn't entertaining enough for you based on what he is at the moment. I get it, just think its to early to put him in any box yet.