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9/7/2018  12:31 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i'm so happy we can all be racist again.

What is a white power sign? Not following who was being racist?

Read into it what you will.

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9/7/2018  3:09 PM
martin wrote:

covfefes all over the place

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9/7/2018  5:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/7/2018  5:07 PM
martin wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i'm so happy we can all be racist again.

What is a white power sign? Not following who was being racist?

Read into it what you will.

I did not know that gesture had something to do with white power. Educate me. This isn't immediately google-able.

Also found this -

Bash had a Mexican mother and a Jewish father, while her grandparents only narrowly escaped the Holocaust.
Source:Fox News
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9/7/2018  10:34 PM

Case closed, dumabss.

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9/8/2018  11:38 AM
djsunyc wrote:i'm so happy we can all be racist again.

this was apparently faked.

but this wasn't...

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9/8/2018  11:40 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i'm so happy we can all be racist again.

What is a white power sign? Not following who was being racist?

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9/8/2018  12:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/8/2018  12:08 PM
djsunyc wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i'm so happy we can all be racist again.

What is a white power sign? Not following who was being racist?

This is wikipedia article on the thing.
Never knew about it before. Typical Amricanizm.
Americans like to show up and any kind of PR...
As a relatively new to this country it fascinates me but brings no filings, negative or positive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_(gesture)

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9/8/2018  12:36 PM
djsunyc wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i'm so happy we can all be racist again.

What is a white power sign? Not following who was being racist?

Honestly did not know this before. Thanks for the pics.

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9/8/2018  12:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/8/2018  12:41 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:In the interest of fairness - if you want to read how the High Preist of Neoliberalism defends deregulation by artfully deflecting frompolicy making to budget numbers, claiming deregulation was aleready in place and derivatives were already regulated. You can read it all here https://www.heritage.org/report/the-myth-financial-market-deregulation#_ftn37

Didn't have time to do this before - but below is a case study of how right wing propaganda works. Here is one classic examples from the above "analysis"

The False Narrative of Deregulation

The role of deregulated financial markets was central to the political narrative that explained the 2008 financial crisis. For instance, shortly after the crisis, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi stated that “the Bush Administration’s eight long years of failed deregulation policies have resulted in our nation’s largest bailout ever, leaving the American taxpayers on the hook potentially for billions of dollars.”[1] Similarly, in the second presidential debate that year, Barack Obama asserted that “the biggest problem in this whole process was the deregulation of the financial system.”[2] At best, these types of statements are a complete mischaracterization of policy changes during the Bush years.

Regulation can be measured in many different ways, but various metrics show that financial markets were not deregulated during the Bush Administration.

Immediately he starts to deflect the conversation



In terms of rulemaking—that is, the promulgation of specific rules by regulatory agencies—federal financial regulations imposed a net cost on the economy for the eight years of the Bush Administration. In other words, even though some federal regulations during these eight years reduced burdens, the overall impact of the rulemakings increased the cost of regulation. Data provided by the agencies themselves show that the major regulatory changes (defined as those with an economic effect of $100 million or more) cost the economy more than $2 billion (in constant 2010 dollars) from 2001 to 2008.[3]

It is also helpful to examine the total budget of regulatory agencies because much of their work takes place in day-to-day activities rather than in formal rulemaking activities. Excluding the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), the total budget of federal financial regulators increased from approximately $2 billion in fiscal year (FY) 2000 to almost $2.3 billion in FY 2008.[4] During the same period, the SEC’s budget increased from $357 million to $629 million.[5] Total staffing at these agencies basically remained steady during this period, at close to 16,000 employees.[6] Thus, federal financial regulators’ budgets increased, and their staff levels were not cut.

All of these statistics for the Bush Administration are broadly consistent with longer-term trends as well. For example, outlays for banking and financial regulation increased from $190 million in 1960 to $1.9 billion in 2000, while staff rose from approximately 2,500 employees to more than 13,000.[7] That is, long-term trends in both budget outlays and staffing suggest that regulation has been increasing steadily for decades. Not surprisingly, many who claim that deregulated financial markets caused the crisis ignore these types of metrics and, instead, point to specific legislative changes. In virtually all cases, though, these legislative changes have been mischaracterized as deregulatory.

The core of the argument presented here by a guy with a Ph.D is that regulation (and not deregulation) increased in the Bush years because the overall budget and the number of employees of the regulatory agencies increased. Notice how he fails to talk about the actual laws resulting in deregulation but only gives budget numbers to support his claim? Rather clever isn't it?

Then he talks about how the budget of regulatory action went from $190 Million in 1960!!! to $1.9 Billion in 2000 - Wow a 10 fold increase!! So that must mean more regulation,not leass. Right? Sure, as long as you can't do math. What he carefully doesn't say is how much the size of the Finance sector changed in the same period of time, that's the industry the regulators are supposed to regulate. - Instead he pulls out numbers in isolation to make the case for a utter falsehood that he promotes as a fact.

Now let's look at what made the economy grow in all those years, shall we?
https://tcf.org/content/commentary/graph-how-the-financial-sector-consumed-americas-economic-growth/?agreed=1

What percent of US economy is financial services?
The services sector is an important part of the U.S. economy. According to BEA, in 2009 services accounted for 79.6 percent of U.S. private-sector gross domestic product (GDP), or $9.81 trillion. Services jobs accounted for more than 80 percent of U.S. private-sector employment, or 89.7 million jobs.

In 1960 if a regulatory Agency had 100 employees to regulate a 1 Billion dollar industry and they grew in budget to 300 employees by 2008 to regulate a 10 TRILLION dollar industry it means more regulation!!! And this mofo has a Ph.D. See how his "analysis" carries weight for the readers of Heritage.org? Now you can do this to every piece of his article, but what's the point? His audience is people who can't or won't think for themselves.

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9/8/2018  8:18 PM
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US economy has nothing to do with Obama and Trump.
And this is the best thing about US economy.

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9/9/2018  11:45 AM
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/trump-almost-sent-a-tweet-that-could-have-signaled-war-with-north-korea/


Bob Woodward’s new book, Fear: Trump in the White House, is filled with alarming details about chaos in Trump’s White House, but perhaps no incident illustrates the president’s recklessness better than the time he drafted a tweet saying, “We are going to pull out dependents from South Korea…Family members of the 28,000 people there.”

The president drafted the message at the height of his standoff with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, whom he had derided and provoked as “Little Rocket Man.” It immediately raised alarms in the Pentagon, and the administration got a back-channel message from North Korea that it would regard the tweet as a sign that an attack was looming.

“At that moment there was a sense of profound alarm in the Pentagon leadership that, ‘My God, one tweet and we have reliable information that the North Koreans are going to read this as an attack is imminent,'” Woodward told CBS in an interview on Sunday.

Trump’s bizarre back-and-forth with the North Korean leader has cooled of late, but there’s no comfort in knowing that the United States is one tweet away from nuclear war.

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9/11/2018  2:09 PM
Meanwhile Trump 17 years ago to this day...

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9/12/2018  9:48 PM
arkrud wrote:
djsunyc wrote:

US economy has nothing to do with Obama and Trump.
And this is the best thing about US economy.

Yes, and if my grandma had wheels, she would be a wagon.

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9/12/2018  9:58 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
arkrud wrote:
djsunyc wrote:

US economy has nothing to do with Obama and Trump.
And this is the best thing about US economy.

Yes, and if my grandma had wheels, she would be a wagon.

Yes, I know that I stated the obvious.
Even The Captain know this.

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9/13/2018  4:46 PM
Those conservatives who scream about the threat of socialism like it was the zombie apocalypse, this is what drives future generations to categorically reject capitalism in any form, for a socialist state.

Its about balance. Not everyone can make capitalism work for them. When the govt starts indiscriminately punishing people for it, they drive young people towards full blown socialism, instead of a combination of both, which is preferable IMO. Not to the winner take all 1%.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/13/the-gops-cruelty-toward-the-poor-is-paying-dividends-in-suffering/?utm_term=.3eec3216b8c7

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GustavBahler wrote:Those conservatives who scream about the threat of socialism like it was the zombie apocalypse, this is what drives future generations to categorically reject capitalism in any form, for a socialist state.

Its about balance. Not everyone can make capitalism work for them. When the govt starts indiscriminately punishing people for it, they drive young people towards full blown socialism, instead of a combination of both, which is preferable IMO. Not to the winner take all 1%.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/13/the-gops-cruelty-toward-the-poor-is-paying-dividends-in-suffering/?utm_term=.3eec3216b8c7

Market economy is not something that can be pushed upon people.
It is a law of human societal life. Same as gravitation is the law of nature.
Humans can use this law to their advantage or fight it to their demise.
There is supply and demand and the rest is a bunch of macro-economical gibberish which has no use and meaning.

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9/14/2018  9:26 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Those conservatives who scream about the threat of socialism like it was the zombie apocalypse, this is what drives future generations to categorically reject capitalism in any form, for a socialist state.

Its about balance. Not everyone can make capitalism work for them. When the govt starts indiscriminately punishing people for it, they drive young people towards full blown socialism, instead of a combination of both, which is preferable IMO. Not to the winner take all 1%.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/13/the-gops-cruelty-toward-the-poor-is-paying-dividends-in-suffering/?utm_term=.3eec3216b8c7

Would you rather have a social democracy or a democratic socialism? Because both are a combination of the two schools of thought. And often confused to be the same thing.

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9/14/2018  11:42 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Those conservatives who scream about the threat of socialism like it was the zombie apocalypse, this is what drives future generations to categorically reject capitalism in any form, for a socialist state.

Its about balance. Not everyone can make capitalism work for them. When the govt starts indiscriminately punishing people for it, they drive young people towards full blown socialism, instead of a combination of both, which is preferable IMO. Not to the winner take all 1%.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/13/the-gops-cruelty-toward-the-poor-is-paying-dividends-in-suffering/?utm_term=.3eec3216b8c7

Would you rather have a social democracy or a democratic socialism? Because both are a combination of the two schools of thought. And often confused to be the same thing.

Social democracy is pretext to fascism and as such discredited itself. No wonder that all political parties claimed this ideology are on decline.
The attempt to take over the control of uncontrollable forces in economy and society resulted in greatest distractions of wealth, culture and humanity in the history of mankind.
Democratic socialism resulted in creation of host of corrupt states and brought organized crime, secret services, and corrupt politicians alliances in power to the demise of all population, especially the pure and minorities. The only bright spot for this ideological system was the so called Nordic model which was at large a success due to specific cultural background and majority nation domination. Even this is under stress from Multiculturalism and demographics.

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