To think OKC had 3 MVP players on that team, and now???

man how fortunes have changed

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:well that didn't take long

To think OKC had 3 MVP players on that team, and now???

man how fortunes have changed

Presti has been a very good gm for the most part. Taking on Melo's deal was a big mistake that good gms don't make. That contract, for that player, at that age, with a ntc and a trade kicker, is not something a good gm takes on.

If it bad for a GM to take on Melo's contract, what does that say about Phil who gave Melo that contract?

CrushAlot wrote:

blkexec wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:well that didn't take long

To think OKC had 3 MVP players on that team, and now???

man how fortunes have changed

Presti has been a very good gm for the most part. Taking on Melo's deal was a big mistake that good gms don't make. That contract, for that player, at that age, with a ntc and a trade kicker, is not something a good gm takes on.

If it bad for a GM to take on Melo's contract, what does that say about Phil who gave Melo that contract?

Phil was horrible as a gm. One of my biggest disappointments as a fan was what he did as the first executive in the Dolan era to have autonomy. The smartest guy in the room came out on the wrong end of things almost every time. He did get his extension. What does it say about a gm when his best coach out of 4 was Derek Fisher? That isn't even getting into all of the personnel mistakes.

You have KP and Nitkikina and you can even say Knox because of Phil. Dotson, Kornet had Willie. Phil gave so much to the Knicks. He gave them a damn base to spring upwards to build something positive.

Nalod wrote:Melo in NY with MDA was 7 years ago. Again, why do most think things don't change?
If Melo signs with rockets its sort of logical his role will be determined, parameters set and if met he plays. If not, he don't.
Its not like he gets a big multi year contract. He jerks off MDA, they can waive him. No pulp in his juice card.
He will again be third option.
On Lakers? They need shooters. It might work.

His OKC play confirmed what we knew all along. my prediction is he goes to the Wiz. Dude will finally be going home. West Baltimore is his childhood home. He can say "Dream come true" and all moobyesque other stuff.
That or go to Portland and put up points.
Take a minimum deal for GSW and be a bench player?

Immediately after winning coach of the year, Dantoni dissed Melo in an interview, knowing he had a very bad year on and off the court, very public marriage problems.Doesnt sound like anything has changed.

MDA was at a career high, Melo a career low. Still couldnt resist a cheap shot. Will be interesting to see where Melo goes, how many contenders want him at this stage in his career?

Gudris wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:Kanter and Lee for Melo Works?

what are you smoking? he is toxic on the court

It actually makes a ton of sense if we would then simply waive Melo post trade.

And for folks saying OKC wants to dump salary/$ -- that is correct but they also want to compete NOW so just releasing Melo to compete against you on Lakers/Houston without zero return isn't optimal from a competitive standpoint.

Listening to D-Griffin former cav GM -- he said OKC will try to find some type of crazy 3-way deal that reduces that luxury tax bill.

So still possible some type of deal where cats like Kanter/Lee could be involved with another 3rd team maybe taking on some salary.

OKC gets noah that won a title with the okc coach in college and a d and three guard to play well with the other ball hogs.

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

blkexec wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:well that didn't take long

To think OKC had 3 MVP players on that team, and now???

man how fortunes have changed

Presti has been a very good gm for the most part. Taking on Melo's deal was a big mistake that good gms don't make. That contract, for that player, at that age, with a ntc and a trade kicker, is not something a good gm takes on.

If it bad for a GM to take on Melo's contract, what does that say about Phil who gave Melo that contract?

Phil was horrible as a gm. One of my biggest disappointments as a fan was what he did as the first executive in the Dolan era to have autonomy. The smartest guy in the room came out on the wrong end of things almost every time. He did get his extension. What does it say about a gm when his best coach out of 4 was Derek Fisher? That isn't even getting into all of the personnel mistakes.

You have KP and Nitkikina and you can even say Knox because of Phil. Dotson, Kornet had Willie. Phil gave so much to the Knicks. He gave them a damn base to spring upwards to build something positive.

He was the master of the accidental tank. He didn't trade the Knox pick which was the first he was allowed to trade. He tried to win the entire time he was in NY and gave out two of the worst current contracts in the league. He wasn't trying to accumulate lottery talent. He was trying to win. He majorly upped the dysfunction. The base he gave the team is because he wasn't good at what he was trying to do.

This post is spot on!!! LMAO @ phil gave us so much

To be fair, Knicks didn't have their 2015 or 2016 draft picks. To be critical, Phil should have done the moves that Nets did while owing their picks to Boston and collected assets by eating some short term contracts until that asset base was built back up. He didn't proved the creativity or innovation needed at that point in time. Committing to Melo and looking to win now with Melo ended up being his down fall.

And at the same time put to rest how the Triangle was the reason for Melo's declining game.

Or we could use Melo to mentor Knox. :)

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Uptown wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

blkexec wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Chandler wrote:well that didn't take long

To think OKC had 3 MVP players on that team, and now???

man how fortunes have changed

Presti has been a very good gm for the most part. Taking on Melo's deal was a big mistake that good gms don't make. That contract, for that player, at that age, with a ntc and a trade kicker, is not something a good gm takes on.

If it bad for a GM to take on Melo's contract, what does that say about Phil who gave Melo that contract?

Phil was horrible as a gm. One of my biggest disappointments as a fan was what he did as the first executive in the Dolan era to have autonomy. The smartest guy in the room came out on the wrong end of things almost every time. He did get his extension. What does it say about a gm when his best coach out of 4 was Derek Fisher? That isn't even getting into all of the personnel mistakes.

You have KP and Nitkikina and you can even say Knox because of Phil. Dotson, Kornet had Willie. Phil gave so much to the Knicks. He gave them a damn base to spring upwards to build something positive.

He was the master of the accidental tank. He didn't trade the Knox pick which was the first he was allowed to trade. He tried to win the entire time he was in NY and gave out two of the worst current contracts in the league. He wasn't trying to accumulate lottery talent. He was trying to win. He majorly upped the dysfunction. The base he gave the team is because he wasn't good at what he was trying to do.

This post is spot on!!! LMAO @ phil gave us so much

To be fair, Knicks didn't have their 2015 or 2016 draft picks. To be critical, Phil should have done the moves that Nets did while owing their picks to Boston and collected assets by eating some short term contracts until that asset base was built back up. He didn't proved the creativity or innovation needed at that point in time. Committing to Melo and looking to win now with Melo ended up being his down fall.

And at the same time put to rest how the Triangle was the reason for Melo's declining game.

phil half-assed everything from his triangle to his half-ass commit to a youth movement to his half-ass commit to his own coaches....Phil's presence was supposed to lure in players, instead, it was the opposite. The triangle and his alienating personality scared off some prospects...

All true,

But doesn't alleviate Melo's part in the fiasco. Melo went to an organization with a way better gm than Phil. Way better supporting cast than he had in NY. No Triangle, & Phil has been retired for the year. Yet the end result is him being bought out due to disagreement with coach and management about his future role. As they feel this may lead to distraction and potentially cause a dysfunctional situation.

Bringing up the contract to me seems more like a deflection of the root issue at this stage. If Melo was willing to be a team player for a winning situation that he would have in OKC. And come off the bench, we would be saying Melo is overpaid but wouldn't really put much more thought into it other than that. But by talking about Phil giving him the contract over Melo screwing up a decent situation at the tail end of his career.