Welpee wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

Panos wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Panos wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Panos wrote:

MS wrote:CP3 - 4 years $160MM

Is that correct? 40MM PER YEAR?!

Yep, those max contracts for players over 30s are cap killers

No way i pay Chris Paul $40mm per

And that's him now, imagine paying 37 year old CP3 $40mil

Exactly, at his current age and his injury history, that's a terrible deal.

There are maybe 2 players I'd consider paying $40mm over the next 4 years. MAYBE. And that's Curry and Durant (Lebron too old for 4 years).
But probably not even them. How do you fill the rest of the roster?

Rookie scale deals and perfect timing. You need to get 5 or 6 first rounders within a 3 year span. If you can do that you might be able to have enough depth to weather a contract like that

Most definitely. Too bad our front office doesn't seem to understand that and has used cap space to sign veterans we want gone in a year, rather than leveraging it for more draft picks.

The Lakers, on the other hand, have operated like an intelligent franchise. They've built a compelling supporting cast of lottery and late first round picks they amassed over a short period of time. Even without a "star", they managed to be a 10th seed in a very deep Western Conference and still have the ability to improve from within. So if they ever do manage to sign that franchise-changing player or two, they can still keep they base they've already assembled to field a legitimate roster.

The Lakers built a "compelling supporting cast?" Really?

They can get you 33 wins on their own, in a difficult conference as one of the youngest teams in the league. So, yeah.

When you also factor in the fact that they will get better and still are mostly under cost-control measures that allow the franchise to get TWO stars via free agency? Yeah, I'd have to say they are pretty compelling. That model is that the Knicks should've been following for the last decade and haven't.

Jmpasq wrote:

y2zipper wrote:

Uptown wrote:Not sure why George signed for 4 years...He should have signed a 1 year deal (1 +1) like Durant and he would have earned more money next year, 44 mil, because he is a 10 yr vet...additionally, I wouldnt trust Russ as my running mate if im seriously trying to win a chip...

It's a money chase. With a 3+1, he opts out of the 4th year and gets a bigger max at 30. Generally, NBA players are really good until about 32 so the last 2 years of that are ugly, but you get the pmayer.

Durant will opt out next year and get a supermax from Golden State. With LeBron being 33, this would be the year to take a supermax with the over 38 rule.

Essentially, the CBA is working as it should. The result is going to be the collapse of the middle market salary for players. Players on good teams are going to be max players, exception players or minimum players. Other than that it'll be expensive 1-year deals like Ariza.

Not with awful teams like the Knicks willing to give Hardaway Jr 75 million over 4 years

We won't see contracts like this silly one again

y2zipper wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

y2zipper wrote:

Uptown wrote:Not sure why George signed for 4 years...He should have signed a 1 year deal (1 +1) like Durant and he would have earned more money next year, 44 mil, because he is a 10 yr vet...additionally, I wouldnt trust Russ as my running mate if im seriously trying to win a chip...

It's a money chase. With a 3+1, he opts out of the 4th year and gets a bigger max at 30. Generally, NBA players are really good until about 32 so the last 2 years of that are ugly, but you get the pmayer.

Durant will opt out next year and get a supermax from Golden State. With LeBron being 33, this would be the year to take a supermax with the over 38 rule.

Essentially, the CBA is working as it should. The result is going to be the collapse of the middle market salary for players. Players on good teams are going to be max players, exception players or minimum players. Other than that it'll be expensive 1-year deals like Ariza.

Not with awful teams like the Knicks willing to give Hardaway Jr 75 million over 4 years

We won't see contracts like this silly one again

Did Steve Mills get fired?

CrushAlot wrote:

Panos wrote:

Panos wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Panos wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Panos wrote:

MS wrote:CP3 - 4 years $160MM

Is that correct? 40MM PER YEAR?!

Yep, those max contracts for players over 30s are cap killers

No way i pay Chris Paul $40mm per

And that's him now, imagine paying 37 year old CP3 $40mil

Exactly, at his current age and his injury history, that's a terrible deal.

There are maybe 2 players I'd consider paying $40mm over the next 4 years. MAYBE. And that's Curry and Durant (Lebron too old for 4 years).
But probably not even them. How do you fill the rest of the roster?

That is too much money for Paul. Also, losing Ariza really hurts the Rockets. I am a bit surprised that Morey gave Paul that kind of money this late in his career. That deal has the potential to be one of the worst contracts in the league in a year or two. Not a typical Morey move.

The Rockets new owner, Fertitta, apparently overruled Morey on this deal. Also on letting Ariza walk without a counteroffer.

The previous owner, Les Alexander, had a basic set of rules with Morey - Don't go into the tax zone, don't tank, put out a competitive product on the floor, otherwise, do whatever you want. Fertitta is willing to go into the tax zone, so that's one thing.

I don't see this relationship lasting forever. Morey needs to operate unchecked to really do his job.

If he becomes free, the Knicks should make him a Godfather type offer. Morey running the Knicks would be a godsend for this fanbase.

Point to note, while it's not being spoken, many teams are signing players to supermaxes with expectation that a major labor war is coming soon and another amnesty provision will be available accordingly. It's a GM's version of a "factory reset"

Chris Paul is a good marketing decision but a bad basketball one.

Paul George simply needed the cash right now and guy are signing fast because the market is clearly going to collapse. Guys want to lock in dollars right now. What happened to Caldwell Pope and THJr last year was telling ( both got bailed out at the end, for different reasons, the Lakers bailed out Rich Paul/Klutch by way overpaying KCP to entice LBJ) for many FAs this year.

Lots of guys might take close to nothing to play for contenders. These supermaxes plus that will drive owners nuts. Top heavy teams kill off the number of total playoff games, which drives the networks nuts. Which drives the advertisers and brands nuts.

The bubble is gonna pop on all of this. If Morey comes free, the Knicks should simply offer him full control and pay him what he wants.

Welpee wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Panos wrote:

Panos wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Panos wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Panos wrote:

MS wrote:CP3 - 4 years $160MM

Is that correct? 40MM PER YEAR?!

Yep, those max contracts for players over 30s are cap killers

No way i pay Chris Paul $40mm per

And that's him now, imagine paying 37 year old CP3 $40mil

Exactly, at his current age and his injury history, that's a terrible deal.

There are maybe 2 players I'd consider paying $40mm over the next 4 years. MAYBE. And that's Curry and Durant (Lebron too old for 4 years).
But probably not even them. How do you fill the rest of the roster?

Rookie scale deals and perfect timing. You need to get 5 or 6 first rounders within a 3 year span. If you can do that you might be able to have enough depth to weather a contract like that

Most definitely. Too bad our front office doesn't seem to understand that and has used cap space to sign veterans we want gone in a year, rather than leveraging it for more draft picks.

The Lakers, on the other hand, have operated like an intelligent franchise. They've built a compelling supporting cast of lottery and late first round picks they amassed over a short period of time. Even without a "star", they managed to be a 10th seed in a very deep Western Conference and still have the ability to improve from within. So if they ever do manage to sign that franchise-changing player or two, they can still keep they base they've already assembled to field a legitimate roster.

The Lakers built a "compelling supporting cast?" Really?

...and evidently, LeBron "the GOAT" James felt the same way.

Honestly, I see things shaping up for the Knicks in the next wave. If you consider how long it took GS or Harden etc to be championship, we still have some runway for KP and his minions. So many of the current top teams will look like Uncle Drew on a max contract.

I can easily imagine a situation where in a few years we'll be competing with Philly and Boston and maybe Milwaukee if they get their act together.