Chandler wrote:Before paying him max i'd like to know why he wants to be here. To win and be hero, fine; to party (because Cle and Bos lack in that dept), not fine

I'd also be worried about paying someone max who always seems out for a quarter of the season for one reason or another.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:Before paying him max i'd like to know why he wants to be here. To win and be hero, fine; to party (because Cle and Bos lack in that dept), not fine

I'd also be worried about paying someone max who always seems out for a quarter of the season for one reason or another.

He gets hurt alot... he will be 26. He's not my fav player but this is a no brainer.

Not for the max it isnt. Other ways to spend cap money, than on an injury prone player, even as good as Irving Like a deeper bench. This is how we got into trouble with Melo.

No, how you get in trouble is spending the money on a handful of role players who don't really move the needle, instead of a star like Kyrie. To give an example, the full mid level exception has traditionally been one of the worst investments you can possibly make in a player, particularly when a lot of teams have cap space. A good franchise can build a quality bench thru the draft and bargain bin.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:Before paying him max i'd like to know why he wants to be here. To win and be hero, fine; to party (because Cle and Bos lack in that dept), not fine

I'd also be worried about paying someone max who always seems out for a quarter of the season for one reason or another.

He gets hurt alot... he will be 26. He's not my fav player but this is a no brainer.

Not for the max it isnt. Other ways to spend cap money, than on an injury prone player, even as good as Irving Like a deeper bench. This is how we got into trouble with Melo.

Not the same at all. We got into trouble with Melo because we traded for him midseason and gave up most of our roster. The 2nd mistake with Melo was giving him the 2nd contract with a no-trade clause.

If Kyrie comes during free agency, it's a no-brainer move.

elmaestro33 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:Before paying him max i'd like to know why he wants to be here. To win and be hero, fine; to party (because Cle and Bos lack in that dept), not fine

I'd also be worried about paying someone max who always seems out for a quarter of the season for one reason or another.

He gets hurt alot... he will be 26. He's not my fav player but this is a no brainer.

Not for the max it isnt. Other ways to spend cap money, than on an injury prone player, even as good as Irving Like a deeper bench. This is how we got into trouble with Melo.

Not the same at all. We got into trouble with Melo because we traded for him midseason and gave up most of our roster. The 2nd mistake with Melo was giving him the 2nd contract with a no-trade clause.

If Kyrie comes during free agency, it's a no-brainer move.

No, we got into trouble signing a player to the max whose prime with the Knicks was cut short by injuries, amd declining athleticism. Irving has a worse track record as far as missing games going into a possible max contract. Your star PG misses a lot of games, you're in trouble.

fishmike wrote:He wants to be here.
He was willing to come when the team was terrible (before last year)
He told KP at the AS Game "I want to play with you one day."
He's born and raised in West Orange a NJ suburb.
Knicks can pay him a max contract.

So are you proposing we give him the max because if the above reasons?

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

fishmike wrote:He wants to be here.
He was willing to come when the team was terrible (before last year)
He told KP at the AS Game "I want to play with you one day."
He's born and raised in West Orange a NJ suburb.
Knicks can pay him a max contract.

So are you proposing we give him the max because if the above reasons?

Player wants max, team can pay max, done deal.
No-brainer for people with no brains.

Player want to win and has abilities, team has a plan ans time table this player feet in, done deal.
If max money is warranted team should have flexibility to get it. This is no-brainer for people with a brain.

There's lots of people out there with no brains, but fishmike isn't one of them. I am interested in why he thinks we should get Kyrie.

Look... if you can sign him you do. That is not up for discussion. He's a generational scorer. He's also just a part. A part that could like:

young core: Frank/Dotson/Knox/Kornet/Hicks and I think we have a couple guys who stick also.
KP you max but wait to take advantage of his cap hold being less than the actual max.

You add Kyrie to that mix.

You also have a chance to either upgrade your role players by trading Lance/Lee/Noah's expiring deals for players with longer contracts who may be better, or you let them all expire if it makes sense to keep the cap clean and go after FAs.

I suspect that wont happen as we end up paying some guys we may not have planned on panning out. I suspect Burke might be one of those guys. Even with Kyrie he would both be a great scorer off the bench, backup PG and insurance for Irving.

If you are the Knicks and it only costs cap space you do not hesitate to max out Irving at 26 years old. We are not trading picks, Frank and Dotson for him. Just bringing him in for cash. Man you got a short memory if you think he's not worth it. Also if you look at his #s under Brad Stevens this guy still has another level he can go to. His season was unreal before getting hurt

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:Before paying him max i'd like to know why he wants to be here. To win and be hero, fine; to party (because Cle and Bos lack in that dept), not fine

I'd also be worried about paying someone max who always seems out for a quarter of the season for one reason or another.

He gets hurt alot... he will be 26. He's not my fav player but this is a no brainer.

Not for the max it isnt. Other ways to spend cap money, than on an injury prone player, even as good as Irving Like a deeper bench. This is how we got into trouble with Melo.

Honestly, if Frank progresses, I would rather sign Klay Thompson. GSW might be willing to do a sign and trade for Hardaway if Klay says he is leaving. GSW cannot afford to pay him the max and he is better defender than Kyrie

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:He wants to be here.
He was willing to come when the team was terrible (before last year)
He told KP at the AS Game "I want to play with you one day."
He's born and raised in West Orange a NJ suburb.
Knicks can pay him a max contract.

Timing isn't right. We still don't have enough high end talent on cost controlled deals. Im not going after prime FA's until Jacksons contracts are gone. We should be concentrating on getting rid of Hardaway Jr. for a shorter deal. I would consider a Chandler Parsons swap. Getting Kyrie and Porzingis on max deals will assure a shallow team.

Robinson
KP
Knox
2019 pick top 5
Frank Burke

Burke Frank
Dotson
2020 Pick 1st Top 10
2020 2nd
2019 2nd

Now you have enough depth to add max free GENTS

IMO You go after FA when they become available and you have $$$, or you have the assets to trade for.

You want to get rid of THJ because of what you saw of him for half of season with an idiotic coaching staff. FIZ highest attribute is teaching and developing, Labron became a better players in MIAMI, Whiteside, Dragic, tyler. So THJ, DOTSON, FRANK, KP, are all going to be better

Where on earth is there a sports team with the perfect payroll and flexibility. Like you already know that's almost as far fetch as KD joining the knick's.

I'm confident that FIZ isn't losing 50 games no matter who we have,I think he'll have these kids playing higher then expectations, so a top pick in 2019 is also far fetch.

There's a possibility that the Celtics can do a S&T with the Knicks (like when they got melo) if they feel Kyrie is going to leave, it would be foolish of them not to, which would probably be better ( i think his bird rights come into play) Then you can save your cap space for a good FA, and go over to resign KP, and Irving