NardDogNation wrote:Pass. He's an amazing specialist as a shooter, penetrator and finisher but the rest of his game is too deficient for me to pay him the max he'd be seeking. I'm also concerned about his frame of mind with the kind of stuff he says in the media and interest in indulging his celebrity outside of basketball. Taking into account all these factors with his age and physical health, it becomes a very risky proposition to invest in Kyrie.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Pass. He's an amazing specialist as a shooter, penetrator and finisher but the rest of his game is too deficient for me to pay him the max he'd be seeking. I'm also concerned about his frame of mind with the kind of stuff he says in the media and interest in indulging his celebrity outside of basketball. Taking into account all these factors with his age and physical health, it becomes a very risky proposition to invest in Kyrie.

Those are very fair points. Yes his injury concerns make it a risky investment. but like you said he has amazing ability and he seems like he wants to be a Knick. He is in a great situation right now in Boston but he still wats to be a Knick supposedly which is nice to see.

Maybe as a "finishing piece" as lets say KP recovers as the beast we dream about, Frank is a 15-7-7 type player with still great defense acumen and say one of the Bridges turns to also be a near allstar well rounded double double player.

Funny, when you watch THjr go for 48 pts and play well in spurts it lends itself to thoughts that "The kid is inconsistant" which at 17mm might be offensive to some, but its really a symptom of his progress. He has stepped up his game. Is it not expected that part of the path would be "inconsistancy"? Breath for second. Ok, exhale.
Good, Now..........one thing Timmy has to learn is how to pace himself and not force the game. How does one do that?
one way is let the game come to you. When Kyrie, Lebron and Love were in synch (rare all would be healthy) the games were easy. if you have a team (again, its a dream) where KP (beast mode), Bridges (double Double hybrid of Pippen/Areza), Frank (the greatest frenchman to play the game), Timmy (a very good streaky shooter but better version of what he is.........Then perhaps Kyrie in a lessor than "Have to do it all" can be a hell of a finishing piece for us.
I know it won't go like this and we need a 5 to pair with KP, but its just a scenario that I could be amicable to a Kyrie inclusion.
At the same time Boston is on the rise and Kyrie might find the best scenario is really the one there.
Odds are he stays. Thats the usually probability anyway. If in Clev he wanted out and talked about NYC but that was before he got to Boston. If he is happy there.....he'll be paid too to stay.

blkexec wrote:I don't think there's anybody on the planet with Kyrie's skill set.

But with that said, he still uses so much energy to score 2 pts. I said the same thing about D.Rose in his prime.

It's still a great idea to add star players that want to be here and understands the pressure of playing here....And has the talent to back it up. He's also an attractive asset for others to follow. He one of the few guards that puts pressure on steph and other guards.

He's built for NYC

If it stars want to come here just for cap space normally id jump on it but 35 million is way to much

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Pass. He's an amazing specialist as a shooter, penetrator and finisher but the rest of his game is too deficient for me to pay him the max he'd be seeking. I'm also concerned about his frame of mind with the kind of stuff he says in the media and interest in indulging his celebrity outside of basketball. Taking into account all these factors with his age and physical health, it becomes a very risky proposition to invest in Kyrie.

Those are very fair points. Yes his injury concerns make it a risky investment. but like you said he has amazing ability and he seems like he wants to be a Knick. He is in a great situation right now in Boston but he still wats to be a Knick supposedly which is nice to see.

Maybe as a "finishing piece" as lets say KP recovers as the beast we dream about, Frank is a 15-7-7 type player with still great defense acumen and say one of the Bridges turns to also be a near allstar well rounded double double player.

Funny, when you watch THjr go for 48 pts and play well in spurts it lends itself to thoughts that "The kid is inconsistant" which at 17mm might be offensive to some, but its really a symptom of his progress. He has stepped up his game. Is it not expected that part of the path would be "inconsistancy"? Breath for second. Ok, exhale.
Good, Now..........one thing Timmy has to learn is how to pace himself and not force the game. How does one do that?
one way is let the game come to you. When Kyrie, Lebron and Love were in synch (rare all would be healthy) the games were easy. if you have a team (again, its a dream) where KP (beast mode), Bridges (double Double hybrid of Pippen/Areza), Frank (the greatest frenchman to play the game), Timmy (a very good streaky shooter but better version of what he is.........Then perhaps Kyrie in a lessor than "Have to do it all" can be a hell of a finishing piece for us.
I know it won't go like this and we need a 5 to pair with KP, but its just a scenario that I could be amicable to a Kyrie inclusion.
At the same time Boston is on the rise and Kyrie might find the best scenario is really the one there.
Odds are he stays. Thats the usually probability anyway. If in Clev he wanted out and talked about NYC but that was before he got to Boston. If he is happy there.....he'll be paid too to stay.

Oh yes im not convinced he is leaving Boston at all. They are set up very well now and in the future with all the draft picks they were given by the nets

I'm surprised more people don't question whether Boston still wants Irving there. It's no secret that he is a tragically flawed player and with the emergence of Terry Rozier as a cheaper alternative, I could easily see the Celtics putting Irving on the market. After all, there is nothing appealing to me about tying up almost the entire cap (+$90 million) in 3 players (Irving, Hayward and Horford) with serious injury histories. Seems like the epitome of bad business, which the Celtics have never been about under Danny Ainge.

CrushAlot wrote:I listened to the podcast yesterday. The Kyrie thing is from a year ago and Mannix was just speculating. Things I found interesting from Shams, Julius Randle to the Mavs. He said the interest is mutual and no one knows what the lakers are going to do. He also said that he thinks Van Vleet could get offered a contract that would make it hard for the raptors to keep him.

Read Mavs will target Boogie first and Randle if Boogie doesn't fall through. Question is how does this effect their draft choice?

Dwight Powell had a strong 2nd half of the season last yr. I would trade Hardaway Jr for him & #33. He is a really good piece next to KP. Would make sense for both teams. He has always held high WS48 numbers. And his offensive rating for the last 5 months if the season was between 126-137 60-70ts% and developing 3pt shot. Strong rebounder, solid passer, and athletic enough to cover on switches. Dallas may be happy to have him off the bench though.

But if Dallas adds say Jackson or Bamba or Begley and Randle or Cousins. Then using Powell to upgrade the SG spot makes sense.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I listened to the podcast yesterday. The Kyrie thing is from a year ago and Mannix was just speculating. Things I found interesting from Shams, Julius Randle to the Mavs. He said the interest is mutual and no one knows what the lakers are going to do. He also said that he thinks Van Vleet could get offered a contract that would make it hard for the raptors to keep him.

Read Mavs will target Boogie first and Randle if Boogie doesn't fall through. Question is how does this effect their draft choice?

Dwight Powell had a strong 2nd half of the season last yr. I would trade Hardaway Jr for him & #33. He is a really good piece next to KP. Would make sense for both teams. He has always held high WS48 numbers. And his offensive rating for the last 5 months if the season was between 126-137 60-70ts% and developing 3pt shot. Strong rebounder, solid passer, and athletic enough to cover on switches. Dallas may be happy to have him off the bench though.

But if Dallas adds say Jackson or Bamba or Begley and Randle or Cousins. Then using Powell to upgrade the SG spot makes sense.