kingofelpaso wrote:TripleThreat wrote:kingofelpaso wrote:On that note, if he slips to the 2nd pick, would offer the Kings a pick swap with our 9th pick this year and next year’s pick with minimal protection (top 1, maybe) for the 2nd pick to take Luka.
If the Knicks had the 2nd overall pick, would you want them to trade it for the 9th and FrankN? Or the 9th and some pick no one can determine in the future? This trade fails the Mirror Test
Would either the 9th and another pick or the 9th and FrankN be the best offer on the table if the Kings put the pick up for trade? Doubtful.
If the Knicks traded the 2nd overall for Frank N and the 9th or the 9th and some other pick no one can gauge now, people here would be up in arms. Someone would need to get fired.
I hear this. The thought is that Sacramento would get a high level pick next year whereas they have no pick next year as of now. I would be willing to up the offer to include a future second or even pick 36 to get it done. The other idea would be to take back bad salary (so long as it does not extend beyond Noah’s deal). The problem is that I don’t know that they have any to take back, except maybe Z-bo, who may have had issues with Fizdale in Memphis.
OK I'll run the scenario for the sake of discussion.
If a trade could occur WITHOUT KP involved, market value for the 2nd overall to the Knicks would cost
- This years 9th overall pick
- Frank N
- Dotson
- Three MORE first round picks, two of which would need to be completely unprotected.
Under the Stepien Rule, a team cannot trade consecutive first round picks if they have no other first round picks in that draft. So to balance it out, Sacto would send a series of 2nds to the Knicks, and the Knicks would be forced to offer first round pick swaps every other year. The other huge problem is pick protections must have full conversion in three season spans under the current CBA. You cannot protect a traded pick indefinitely. Which is why many trades with "phantom" first round picks that are so heavily protected they are unlikely to be realized, convert to a pair of 2nd rounders in the third season from the trade. Even if the Knicks wanted to heavily protect their picks, the conversion problem and the Stepien Rule would force them into pick swap situations and be forced to leave most of those draft assets completely unprotected.
Would you trade the 2nd overall for a 9th overall plus some random pick ( or Frank N) plus a 2nd rounder?
You would not. I won't even go into the typical "Everyone has a right to their viewpoint" churn here. You would not. You are proposing a trade that you would not take yourself if the situation was reversed. And if you took it, and you were the Knicks GM, do you think you would keep your job?
Your assessment of actual market value for the 2nd overall is so far off, you are not even in the same sport anymore. You could literally be talking about cricket right now or high powered ping pong for the Olympics and have that suss out better.
To get the 2nd overall would destroy this team. For the NEXT 15 YEARS. Trading what would be the equivalent of 5 first round picks, two full unprotected with additional pick swaps implied, would gut this team for nearly two decades.
Doncic might be a star. He might not. You are asking the team to bet the next FIFTEEN YEARS on that.
I've given you a realistic assessment of market value. If you can find a trade that fits within that, go for it. But, to be fair, you won't.
Which is why YOU NEVER SEE A TEAM TRADING FROM THE 9th RANGE TO THE 2nd OVERALL RANGE. NEVER.
I give you credit for trying, but sorry, you'll have to keep trying.