Allanfan20 wrote:Love his work ethic but I’ve learned to just not get excited over stuff the players do over the Summer.... including Summer League. I have faith he’ll improve but this is just working out.

CrushAlot wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Love his work ethic but I’ve learned to just not get excited over stuff the players do over the Summer.... including Summer League. I have faith he’ll improve but this is just working out.

The biggest take away for me is that he appears physically bigger and more cut. Considering he is still a kid and the season is only been over for a month and a half, it looks like he has done some serious work in the gym to get his body better. I also like that he is dunking. Maybe this means he is becoming more confident and aggressive in his approach on offense.
Also, should the Knicks look to draft super young again and take a kid like Knox or Z. Smith? Nine seems high for both but if you had two franchise cornerstones that were 18 and 19 years old there is a lot of potential for a long, successful run.

I would’t be dissapointed if we took Knox. Doesn’t turn 19 until August. Didn’t realize he is so young

CrushAlot wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Love his work ethic but I’ve learned to just not get excited over stuff the players do over the Summer.... including Summer League. I have faith he’ll improve but this is just working out.

The biggest take away for me is that he appears physically bigger and more cut. Considering he is still a kid and the season is only been over for a month and a half, it looks like he has done some serious work in the gym to get his body better. I also like that he is dunking. Maybe this means he is becoming more confident and aggressive in his approach on offense.
Also, should the Knicks look to draft super young again and take a kid like Knox or Z. Smith? Nine seems high for both but if you had two franchise cornerstones that were 18 and 19 years old there is a lot of potential for a long, successful run.

Can't lie...I like Smith based on what I've read and seen. I know he is not that popular around here at 9, and I would like to see how his workouts are going, but I really believe he is a freshman version of Donovan Mitchell.

He has the athleticism that some like, but from everything I've read he seems to have a good BB IQ and is a team first guy, who puts in a lot of effort on the offensive boards & D, moves well without the ball, and did not play his one college season as if he had to show, in one year, that the NBA should take him.

Having him and Frank in the backcourt would be a defensive nightmare for opposing teams, and if KP is to be out for a year, we would have a chance to see them grow together without as much concern about winning.

I'm still on board with Mikal...have seen some video where he does a lot more than shoot 3s, but I would not be upset with Smith at all, especially if he impresses folks in workouts.

CrushAlot wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Love his work ethic but I’ve learned to just not get excited over stuff the players do over the Summer.... including Summer League. I have faith he’ll improve but this is just working out.

The biggest take away for me is that he appears physically bigger and more cut. Considering he is still a kid and the season is only been over for a month and a half, it looks like he has done some serious work in the gym to get his body better. I also like that he is dunking. Maybe this means he is becoming more confident and aggressive in his approach on offense.
Also, should the Knicks look to draft super young again and take a kid like Knox or Z. Smith? Nine seems high for both but if you had two franchise cornerstones that were 18 and 19 years old there is a lot of potential for a long, successful run.

Can't lie...I like Smith based on what I've read and seen. I know he is not that popular around here at 9, and I would like to see how his workouts are going, but I really believe he is a freshman version of Donovan Mitchell.

He has the athleticism that some like, but from everything I've read he seems to have a good BB IQ and is a team first guy, who puts in a lot of effort on the offensive boards & D, moves well without the ball, and did not play his one college season as if he had to show, in one year, that the NBA should take him.

Having him and Frank in the backcourt would be a defensive nightmare for opposing teams, and if KP is to be out for a year, we would have a chance to see them grow together without as much concern about winning.

I'm still on board with Mikal...have seen some video where he does a lot more than shoot 3s, but I would not be upset with Smith at all, especially if he impresses folks in workouts.

They talk a lot about Smith on this podcast. One interesting comparison was D. Wade. I haven't followed Smith much be they mentioned that he is a very good shot blocker.
https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2018/6/2/17420682/locked-on-knicks-episode-308-trade-back-scenarios-part-2

Main reason Smith isn't getting more press here is he a SG. But if he grades high enough where they see a future superstar then so be it.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Love his work ethic but I’ve learned to just not get excited over stuff the players do over the Summer.... including Summer League. I have faith he’ll improve but this is just working out.

The biggest take away for me is that he appears physically bigger and more cut. Considering he is still a kid and the season is only been over for a month and a half, it looks like he has done some serious work in the gym to get his body better. I also like that he is dunking. Maybe this means he is becoming more confident and aggressive in his approach on offense.
Also, should the Knicks look to draft super young again and take a kid like Knox or Z. Smith? Nine seems high for both but if you had two franchise cornerstones that were 18 and 19 years old there is a lot of potential for a long, successful run.

Can't lie...I like Smith based on what I've read and seen. I know he is not that popular around here at 9, and I would like to see how his workouts are going, but I really believe he is a freshman version of Donovan Mitchell.

He has the athleticism that some like, but from everything I've read he seems to have a good BB IQ and is a team first guy, who puts in a lot of effort on the offensive boards & D, moves well without the ball, and did not play his one college season as if he had to show, in one year, that the NBA should take him.

Having him and Frank in the backcourt would be a defensive nightmare for opposing teams, and if KP is to be out for a year, we would have a chance to see them grow together without as much concern about winning.

I'm still on board with Mikal...have seen some video where he does a lot more than shoot 3s, but I would not be upset with Smith at all, especially if he impresses folks in workouts.

They talk a lot about Smith on this podcast. One interesting comparison was D. Wade. I haven't followed Smith much be they mentioned that he is a very good shot blocker.
https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2018/6/2/17420682/locked-on-knicks-episode-308-trade-back-scenarios-part-2

Main reason Smith isn't getting more press here is he a SG. But if he grades high enough where they see a future superstar then so be it.

GREENWICH, Conn. – Frank Ntilikina was drafted five spots ahead of Donovan Mitchell, but almost a year later it’s the Knicks point guard who is looking up to a local-bred rising superstar.
“Oh it was unbelievable,” Ntilikina told the Daily News about Mitchell’s remarkable rookie season with the Jazz. “Seeing a good friend play the way he was playing, seeing him carry his team like that, it was great feeling for me and all of his friends. He motivates me to do great things.”

Asked whether he envisions himself playing to Mitchell’s level of last season — which included an impressive run to the Western Conference semifinals — Ntilikina added, “Yes. …Even further.”

After spending much of the offseason in France, Ntilikina returned to New York and has been working with new coach David Fizdale at the practice facility. He said Sunday that the focus has been on “offensive skills.”

“Things that help me get comfortable on the court, offensively,” Ntilikina added. “I think defensively I’ve done a great job last year and I have to keep doing it. The main part next year is going to be offensively.”

Beasly has been working on his defense for 9 seasons, Kanter for 5, melo for 12. I really look at frank as a bruce bowen type of impact player.

Rk 	Player 	From 	To 	G 	MP 	PER 	TS% 	3PAr 	FTr 	ORB% 	DRB% 	TRB% 	AST% 	STL% 	BLK% 	TOV% 	USG% 	  	OWS 	DWS 	WS 	WS/48 	  	OBPM 	DBPM 	BPM 	VORP
1	Ron Baker	2017	52	857	7.5	.456	.396	.198	1.5	10.8	6.2	17.3	2.0	0.8	19.2	14.8		-0.6	0.5	-0.1	-0.008		-3.5	-0.9	-4.4	-0.5
2	Frank 2018	2018	78	1706	7.0	.437	.314	.136	2.4	9.1	5.8	20.0	1.9	0.9	19.8	16.9		-2.0	1.1	-0.9	-0.026		-3.5	-0.5	-3.9	-0.8

knicks1248 wrote:It will be interesting to see if he can become more aggressive offensively. I'm just not sure 15 to 20 shots is in his DNA. I just look at him as more of a Glue guy, some players are who they are.

Beasly has been working on his defense for 9 seasons, Kanter for 5, melo for 12. I really look at frank as a bruce bowen type of impact player.

As time passes and Frank matures you will see why he drafted where he was. knicks1248 you like to use Frank's youth as some excuse for subpar NBA play. Truth is you have demonstrated zero knowledge regarding player development, except to constantly say you cant develop players in a losing environment, despite all evidence to the contrary.

BigDaddyG wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:man... I don't understand why people are so high on Frank............ I think he'll develop and be better but just to compare him to everybody's favorite Ron Baker:

Rk 	Player 	From 	To 	G 	MP 	PER 	TS% 	3PAr 	FTr 	ORB% 	DRB% 	TRB% 	AST% 	STL% 	BLK% 	TOV% 	USG% 	  	OWS 	DWS 	WS 	WS/48 	  	OBPM 	DBPM 	BPM 	VORP
1	Ron Baker	2017	52	857	7.5	.456	.396	.198	1.5	10.8	6.2	17.3	2.0	0.8	19.2	14.8		-0.6	0.5	-0.1	-0.008		-3.5	-0.9	-4.4	-0.5
2	Frank 2018	2018	78	1706	7.0	.437	.314	.136	2.4	9.1	5.8	20.0	1.9	0.9	19.8	16.9		-2.0	1.1	-0.9	-0.026		-3.5	-0.5	-3.9	-0.8

Ron was 23 and Frank is 19. I'm still not over Ron BTW. I think he can become a solid reserve.