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2018 NBA mock draft - Teams for Deandre Ayton, Luka Doncic and Trae Young after lottery
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2018 NBA mock draft - Teams for Deandre Ayton, Luka Doncic and Trae Young after lottery
by Jonathan Givony on (original: http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/23509884/2018-nba-mock-draft-teams-deandre-ayton-luka-doncic-trae-young-lottery)

The Phoenix Suns have won the NBA draft lottery.

Who will they take, and where will the rest of the top prospects land?

Our mock draft differs in two crucial ways from our recently updated top 100 prospect rankings. It uses the NBA's official draft order, and it's adjusted for NBA team needs accordingly. It also attempts to project which players will end up declaring and keeping their names in the draft.


Editor's note: This mock draft, published immediately after the lottery results, will continue to update with the latest information and analysis throughout Tuesday night and into the draft combine on Wednesday.

1. Phoenix Suns
Deandre Ayton
Arizona
Age: 19.8
C

Height: 7-foot | Weight: 243 pounds

Ayton was beginning to answer some of the questions scouts have had about him since high school with a string of dominant performances down the stretch, before finishing the college season on a poor note in an early NCAA tournament exit.

Physically, he's one of the most gifted prospects we've seen in the draft in the past few years, and he has an impressive skill level, to boot.

Phoenix, the worst defensive team in the NBA, will be right to question Ayton's impact on that end of the floor, but his sheer productivity and overall talent level makes it difficult to not slot him at the top of this class.

Starting salary: $8,095,680

2. Sacramento Kings
Luka Doncic
Real Madrid
Age: 19.1
PG

Height: 6-foot-8 | Weight: 228

Doncic hit a bit of a wall after playing 18 straight months without a break. He still found a way to help Real Madrid qualify for the EuroLeague final four and will attempt to re-establish his candidacy as the potential No. 1 pick in the draft with a strong showing in Belgrade later this week.

Starting salary: $7,243,440

3. Atlanta Hawks
Marvin Bagley III
Duke
Age: 19.1
PF/C

Height: 6-11 | Weight: 234

While Bagley has some positional concerns defensively, his athleticism, motor, rebounding, finishing ability and overall productivity will be very attractive here.

Starting salary: $6,504,600

4. Memphis Grizzlies
Jaren Jackson Jr.
Michigan State
Age: 18.6
PF/C

Height: 6-11 | Weight: 240

The Hawks will be in best-player-available mode, but it helps to be able to complement their existing roster with a building block that fits with the surrounding talent.

Jackson would be the ideal big man to pair with promising rookie John Collins. The youngest projected first-rounder, Jackson might have the highest ceiling in terms of his ability to affect the game on both ends of the floor. He has enviable physical tools, including a 7-4 wingspan and tremendous mobility.

Jackson's ability to space the floor (40 percent from 3 and 80 percent from the line), block shots (5.7 per 40 minutes), switch on every screen and, increasingly, put the ball on the floor from the perimeter makes him an ideal fit for the modern NBA.

Starting salary: $5,864,640

5. Dallas Mavericks
Mohamed Bamba
Texas
Age: 19.9
C

Height: 7-foot | Weight: 207

Bamba's rare combination of length, shot-blocking instincts and offensive promise gives him one of highest ceilings of any prospect in this draft.

Starting salary: $5,310,720

6. Orlando Magic
Trae Young
Oklahoma
Age: 19.6
PG

Height: 6-2 | Weight: 176

Young is a deadly pull-up shooter with deep range who loves transition quick hitters. He would add a much-needed scoring punch to Orlando's backcourt.

Starting salary: $4,823,520

7. Chicago Bulls
Wendell Carter Jr.
Duke
Age: 19.0
C

Height: 6-10 | Weight: 263

Small forward is a definite position of need, but Robin Lopez and Bobby Portis are entering the final year of their contracts, so it also makes sense to think about drafting a big man who complements Lauri Markkanen on both ends of the floor.

Carter's feel and versatility are promising in a number of ways. He is a physically mature big man with a 263-pound frame and 7-3 wingspan, which will allow him to play center in the NBA with ease.

He is a polished player with excellent hands and touch around the basket and has demonstrated a nice blend of passing, shot-blocking and perimeter shooting, despite being overshadowed at times by fellow Bagley at Duke.

Starting salary: $4,403,280

8. Cleveland Cavaliers (via Nets)
Michael Porter Jr.
Missouri
Age: 19.8
SF/PF

Height: 6-10 | Weight: 214

Porter came into the season with hopes of making a run at being the No. 1 pick in the draft. He wasn't able to build his case, however, because of a back injury. Porter's size, shot-creation skill and scoring instincts will nevertheless make him a coveted prospect in June. He is a playmaker on both ends of the floor and is just starting to figure out how to put his talent to full use.

Starting salary: $4,033,800

9. New York Knicks
Collin Sexton
Alabama
Age: 19.3
PG

Height: 6-2 | Weight: 183

Frank Ntilikina has had some nice rookie moments, but the Knicks are finding out that the long-armed, 6-5 guard seems better suited playing alongside a more dominant ball handler and shot creator who can take some of the scoring responsibilities off Ntilikina's shoulders.

Enter Sexton, with his tremendous aggressiveness driving the lane, taking off-the-dribble jumpers and putting defensive pressure on opposing guards. NBA teams have some concerns about Sexton's decision-making and reckless style of play. Fiercely competitive, Sexton has shown enough flashes in the right areas to be comfortably projected as a starting-caliber point guard, with plenty of upside.

Starting salary: $3,708,120

10. Philadelphia 76ers (via Lakers)
Mikal Bridges
Villanova
Age: 21.6
SF

Height: 6-7 | Weight: 200

The 76ers have gotten great production out of JJ Redick and Marco Belinelli, but with both players approaching free agency -- and their mid-30s -- it makes sense to think about drafting a wing who can complement their building blocks of Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons and Markelle Fultz.

Bridges is an easy player to slot on almost any NBA roster, thanks to his multipositional defensive versatility, 3-point shooting and role-player potential. He isn't as gifted a shot creator as you'd like from a top-10 pick, but on this roster, he won't need to be.

Starting salary: $3,522,480

11. Charlotte Hornets
Miles Bridges
Michigan State
Age: 20.1
SF/PF

Height: 6-6 | Weight: 226

Charlotte continues to search for long-term solutions at both forward positions and will likely look to add athleticism to what has become a fairly disappointing roster.

Bridges is a freakish athlete who struggled at times to make the full-time transition to small forward, but he has potential as a two-way wing who can guard all over the floor and give you enough shooting, ballhandling and passing to get by at one of the most important positions in today's NBA.

Starting salary: $3,346,560

12. LA Clippers (via Pistons)

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Kentucky
Age: 19.8
PG/SG

Height: 6-6 | Weight: 171

The Clippers could be looking at point guard as a position in need of supplementing, and the size, length and versatility of Gilgeous-Alexander could be attractive here considering the type of lineup flexibility he brings.

The fact that he is 6-6 (with a 7-foot wingspan), instinctual defensively and unselfish makes him easy to slot in alongside virtually any type of player. His offense has made significant strides as the season has moved on, helping him surprisingly emerge as arguably Kentucky's best long-term prospect.

Starting salary: $3,179,280

13. LA Clippers
Lonnie Walker IV
Miami
Age: 19.4
SG

Height: 6-4 | Weight: 206

Walker didn't have a consistent or efficient freshman season, but his talent, combined with the lack of depth at his position, is keeping his name in the lottery conversation. His youth, strong frame, 6-10½ wingspan and ability to shoot with his feet set or off the dribble make him a candidate to rise during the pre-draft process as teams search for upside and diamonds in the rough.

The Clippers' wing rotation is a major work in progress and could certainly use some more shooting, length and perimeter-defensive prowess.

Starting salary: $3,020,280

14. Denver Nuggets
Robert Williams
Texas A&M
Age: 20.5
PF/C

Height: 6-10 | Weight: 237

Williams reminded everyone why he was such a highly touted prospect entering the season with an impressive run to finish the year, helping Texas A&M reach the Sweet 16.

Despite playing out of position all season, he has shown that his game is tailor-made for the NBA as a rim-running, pick-and-roll-finishing, shot-blocker/offensive rebounder in the Clint Capela mold. The Nuggets could use a big man like Williams to pair with defensively challenged Nikola Jokic. Both are centers, but Jokic and Williams complement each other quite well on both ends of the floor.

Starting salary: $2,869,320

15. Washington Wizards
Kevin Knox
Kentucky
Age: 18.7
SF/PF

Height: 6-9 | Weight: 205

With Markieff Morris approaching the final year of his contract, the Wizards could very well start thinking of supplementing their power forward position with a player who fits the modern game.

Knox didn't have an efficient freshman season, partially due to playing out of position, but there's a significant market in the NBA for combo forwards in his mold who can make an open shot, defend multiple positions and offer offensive versatility. He's one of the youngest players in this draft, so he still has plenty of room to grow.

Starting salary: $2,725,680

16. Phoenix Suns (via Heat)
Zhaire Smith
Texas Tech
Age: 18.9
SF

Height: 6-5 | Weight: 195

Phoenix could continue to add length, athleticism and energy on defense with the long-armed, explosive Smith.

Originally expected to be more of a 2019 draft candidate, Smith accelerated that timeline by helping Texas Tech reach the Elite Eight. Smith needs to continue to develop his ballhandling and perimeter shooting, but he's one of the best athletes in this draft, and his trajectory as a prospect suggests he has considerable upside.

Starting salary: $2,589,480

17. Milwaukee Bucks

Aaron Holiday
UCLA
Age: 21.6
PG

Height: 6-1 | Weight: 187

With Eric Bledsoe approaching the final year of his contract, the Bucks could look at finding a point guard who complements their existing pieces and whom they can build around for the long term.

Holiday had an outstanding junior season, and he would bring a number of attractive traits with his microwave scoring ability, long wingspan and toughness. The fact that he can space the floor and play off the ball is important considering the building blocks the Bucks already have in place.

Starting salary: $2,460,000

18. San Antonio Spurs

Keita Bates-Diop
Ohio State
Age: 22.2
PF

Height: 6-7 | Weight: 235

With the uncertainty about Kawhi Leonard -- along with Rudy Gay, Kyle Anderson and Danny Green all potentially entering free agency -- the Spurs could use some depth at the forward spots.

With that in mind, drafting a versatile player like Bates-Diop makes sense. He increased his stock dramatically with a breakout season, moving among all of the frontcourt positions for an overachieving Ohio State team. He looks like an ideal fit for the modern NBA if he can find a way to rev his motor into higher gear.

Starting salary: $2,337,000

19. Atlanta Hawks (via Wolves)

Troy Brown
Oregon
Age: 18.7
SG

Height: 6-7 | Weight: 210

With the second of their three first-round picks, the Hawks might look to add some depth on the wing.

Brown's size, multipositional defense and upside could be intriguing at this stage of the draft. He's one of the youngest players in this class and has the type of character and intangibles that bode well for his chances of achieving his full potential. Becoming a better shooter will be a major key for him.

Starting salary: $2,231,760

20. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Thunder)
Dzanan Musa
Cedevita
Age: 19.0
SF

Height: 6-9 | Weight: 195

The Wolves have little depth at the forward spots and might not have the financial flexibility to keep Nemanja Bjelica if his restricted free-agency offers get out of hand.

Musa's size, scoring instincts and aggressiveness could be intriguing at this stage of the draft. He's one of the youngest players in this class but already productive in Europe, playing at a fairly high level.

Starting salary: $2,142,360

21. Utah Jazz

Anfernee Simons
IMG Academy (HS)
Age: 18.9
SG

Height: 6-4 | Weight: 183

The Jazz might look for a versatile guard who can operate in different lineups without dominating the ball alongside Donovan Mitchell. Simons is one of the least NBA-ready players in the draft, but he's intriguing because of his combination of youth, explosiveness and shot-making prowess.

He's a few years away from panning out, but at this stage of the draft, there isn't much risk, and adding a prospect with his upside would be intriguing.

Starting salary: $2,056,680

22. Chicago Bulls (via Pelicans)
Jacob Evans
Cincinnati
Age: 20.8
SG/SF

Height: 6-6 | Weight: 210

Shooting and depth at the wing spots will likely be priorities for the Bulls this offseason (not unlike most teams in the NBA).

Evans is an ultra-versatile player who guards all over the floor, played on and off the ball for Cincinnati and sports a career 38 percent mark from 3-point territory at the college level.

Starting salary: $1,974,480

23. Indiana Pacers

Khyri Thomas
Creighton
Age: 22.0
SG

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 210

Unless a major upgrade at point guard presents itself, shooting and depth at the wing/combo forward spots will likely be priorities for the Pacers.

Thomas is one of the better defenders in college basketball, capable of guarding three positions with his 6-11 wingspan. He's also a willing ball-mover and a promising spot-up shooter and has exactly the type of grit and unselfishness the NBA covets in role players.

Starting salary: $1,895,520

24. Portland Trail Blazers

Chandler Hutchison
Boise State
Age: 22.0
SG/SF

Height: 6-7 | Weight: 193

Portland's wing rotation could use some added depth.

Hutchison made significant strides with his game as a senior. He looks primed to take advantage of the lack of wings in the draft -- and the NBA in general -- this June. He has outstanding physical tools and is a much-improved ball handler and perimeter shooter.

Starting salary: $1,819,800

25. Los Angeles Lakers (via Cavs)

Mitchell Robinson
College: None
Age: 20.1
C

Height: 6-11 | Weight: 20.1

The Lakers don't have anything in the way of a rim-protector on their roster, with all of their centers being of the skilled-but-lumbering variety. The contract of their starting center, Brook Lopez, is also expiring this summer.

Robinson is one of the most talented prospects in the draft physically -- with impressive length, athleticism and shot-blocking instincts -- but is far away from contributing. The fact that he elected not to play college basketball this season won't help his NBA readiness, but at some point in the draft, he's worth taking a gamble on as a developmental project.

Starting salary: $1,746,840

26. Philadelphia 76ers
Bruce Brown
Miami
Age: 21.7
SG

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 200

The Sixers are loaded at most positions and might not be looking to add as many rookies to their roster as they have draft picks. If they keep this pick, they'll want to add someone who brings toughness, versatility and defense, and who doesn't need to dominate the ball to be effective, all characteristics Brown seems to possess.

Although he had a disappointing season that ended with an injury, Brown is a willing passer, lockdown defender and gritty rebounder, and he has shown enough promise with his jump shot at times to lead you to believe he will become adequate there eventually. There's a significant market for players in his mold, provided he has a strong pre-draft process.

Starting salary: $1,689,000

27. Boston Celtics

De'Anthony Melton
USC
Age: 19.9
PG/SG

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 195

The Celtics have a tough decision in front of them with Marcus Smart entering restricted free agency and Terry Rozier eligible for an extension, and they might need to find a less expensive backcourt option to avoid luxury-tax issues.

Melton looked to be on the verge of a breakout season for USC before the FBI's investigation into recruiting shut him down indefinitely. His defensive versatility, toughness and intangibles make him a prospect worth investing in.

Starting salary: $1,640,400

28. Golden State Warriors

Jalen Brunson
Villanova
Age: 21.6
PG

Height: 6-2 | Weight: 200

The Warriors are way over the luxury tax and will want to find contributors on cheap rookie contracts.

Villanova's NCAA tournament run and the efficient play of their floor general might cause the Warriors to take a look at the versatility and shot-making prowess of the Wooden Award winner. His leadership, toughness and intangibles could be attractive on a roster that already has quite a bit of talent. The fact that he has shown the ability to operate off the ball certainly helps.

Starting salary: $1,630,320

29. Brooklyn Nets (via Raptors)

Moritz Wagner
Michigan
Age: 21.0
C

Height: 6-11 | Weight: 231

The Nets don't have much in the way of shooting in the frontcourt and aren't really committed to any 4s or 5s long term besides promising rookie Jarrett Allen and the dead-weight contract of Timofey Mozgov.

Wagner brings floor spacing and a high-energy style of play. He was one of the breakout players of March, leading Michigan to a Big Ten title and a surprise run to the NCAA championship game.

Starting salary: $1,618,320

30. Atlanta Hawks (via Rockets)

Grayson Allen
Duke
Age: 22.5
SG

Height: 6-4 | Weight: 185

With their third and final first-round pick, the Hawks might look to add some backcourt depth, specifically someone who can play behind or alongside incumbent starters Dennis Schroder and Kent Bazemore.

Allen is a big-time shot-maker who should be ready to contribute fairly soon as one of the lone NCAA seniors projected to be picked in the first round.

Starting salary: $1,606,680

Second round
31. Suns

Elie Okobo | PG | Age: 20.5 | Pau-Orthez

32. Grizzlies

Tyus Battle | SG/SF | Age: 20.6 | Syracuse

33. Hawks

Jontay Porter | C | Age: 18.4 | Missouri

34. Mavericks

Donte DiVincenzo | PG | Age: 21.2 | Villanova

35. Magic

Shake Milton | PG/SG | Age: 21.6 | SMU

36. Kings

Melvin Frazier | SF | Age: 21.6 | Tulane

37. Knicks (from Bulls)

Gary Trent Jr. | SG | Age: 19.3 | Duke

38. 76ers (from Nets)

Jerome Robinson | PG | Age: 21.2 | Boston College

39. 76ers (from Knicks)

Chimezie Metu | PF/C | Age: 21.1 | USC

40. Nets (from Lakers)

Hamidou Diallo | SG | Age: 19.7 | Kentucky

41. Magic (from Hornets)

Jevon Carter | PG | Age: 22.6 | West Virginia

42. Pistons

Landry Shamet | PG | Age: 21.0 | Wichita State

43. Nuggets (from Clippers)

Devonte' Graham | PG | Age: 23.2 | Kansas

44. Wizards

Malik Newman | PG/SG | Age: 21.2 | Kansas

45. Nets (from Bucks)

Rodions Kurucs | SF/PF | Age: 20.2 | Barcelona 2

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46. Rockets (from Heat)

Justin Jackson | SF/PF | Age: 21.2 | Maryland

47. Lakers (from Nuggets)

Isaac Bonga | SF | Age: 18.5 | Frankfurt

48. Wolves

Devon Hall | SG | Age: 22.8 | Virginia

49. Spurs

Tony Carr | PG | Age: 20.5 | Penn State

50. Pacers

Trevon Duval | PG | Age: 19.7 | Duke

51. Pelicans

Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk | SG | Age: 20.9 | Kansas

52. Jazz

Kevin Hervey | SF | Age: 21.8 | Texas Arlington

53. Thunder

Rawle Alkins | SG | Age: 20.5 | Arizona

54. Mavericks (from Blazers)

Brandon McCoy | C | Age: 19.9 | UNLV

55. Hornets (from Cavaliers)

Jalen Hudson | SG | Age: 21.9 | Florida

56. 76ers

Kostas Antetokounmpo | SF | Age: 20.4 | Dayton

57. Thunder (from Celtics)

Issuf Sanon | PG/SG | Age: 18.5 | Olimpija Ljubljana

58. Nuggets (from Warriors)

Kenrich Williams | PF | Age: 23.4 | TCU

59. Suns (from Raptors)

Karim Jallow | SF | Age: 21.0 | Bayern Muenchen

60. 76ers (from Rockets)

Amine Noua | PF | Age: 21.1 | Villeurbanne


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5/16/2018  7:52 PM
Cant see Bulls passing on Porter if he is there at 7.

Can we find a way to land Chandler Hutchinson? Please

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5/16/2018  9:09 PM
Michael Kay asked Givony why he has Sexton slotted to the Knicks, given the amount of point guards they already have on the roster. Givony says he wouldn’t overlook drafting a player because of a back-up (revealing his thoughts on Mudiay and Burke). He notes Ntilikina can play off the ball.
https://knicksfilmschool.com/2018/05/16/jonathan-givony-on-the-michael-kay-show/
Givony was also on the Woj podcast today. Listening to him is the closest thing to what draftexpress was.
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5/16/2018  9:42 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Michael Kay asked Givony why he has Sexton slotted to the Knicks, given the amount of point guards they already have on the roster. Givony says he wouldn’t overlook drafting a player because of a back-up (revealing his thoughts on Mudiay and Burke). He notes Ntilikina can play off the ball.
https://knicksfilmschool.com/2018/05/16/jonathan-givony-on-the-michael-kay-show/
Givony was also on the Woj podcast today. Listening to him is the closest thing to what draftexpress was.

So true.

And it's so sloppy of ESPN to not have the correct 2nd round slot for the Knicks.

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5/16/2018  10:14 PM
I like Carter, Mikal, and the the two guards, though we'd have to move someone to relieve the stockpile.
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5/17/2018  8:45 AM
There's no way we draft Sexton, after opening presser comments by Fiz re: Mudiay with Trey Burke present. Are we forgetting 70 mill to Timmy? and there's no way he can play SF in this league.

Which means...in order to draft Sexton, we'd have to do some trade like Timmy for Clippers pick 12 or 13 and filler at SF need.

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5/17/2018  9:49 AM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Michael Kay asked Givony why he has Sexton slotted to the Knicks, given the amount of point guards they already have on the roster. Givony says he wouldn’t overlook drafting a player because of a back-up (revealing his thoughts on Mudiay and Burke). He notes Ntilikina can play off the ball.
https://knicksfilmschool.com/2018/05/16/jonathan-givony-on-the-michael-kay-show/
Givony was also on the Woj podcast today. Listening to him is the closest thing to what draftexpress was.

So true.

And it's so sloppy of ESPN to not have the correct 2nd round slot for the Knicks.

I always thought nbadraft.net was better. that said, man do I miss having two good mocks and scouting reports to look at

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5/17/2018  10:23 AM
I can see sexton if we can get value for our glut at guards.
I know this is silly, but if Mudiay was in college as a 21 year old might he have been a top 10 pick? Im just speculating as there would be a lot of things different.
My point is Mudiay might be "rehabbable" and if so makes Sexton not as attractive.
Also what is the professional opinion think of Frank? Would would an objective scout think of his prospects?
Unless Sexton is seen as special, we are better off not drafting at that position.
Nalod prescribes to taking the best player available regardless of position as long as that player ranking justifies the redundancy.
If not, go on to the close second best.
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5/17/2018  10:25 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Michael Kay asked Givony why he has Sexton slotted to the Knicks, given the amount of point guards they already have on the roster. Givony says he wouldn’t overlook drafting a player because of a back-up (revealing his thoughts on Mudiay and Burke). He notes Ntilikina can play off the ball.
https://knicksfilmschool.com/2018/05/16/jonathan-givony-on-the-michael-kay-show/
Givony was also on the Woj podcast today. Listening to him is the closest thing to what draftexpress was.

So true.

And it's so sloppy of ESPN to not have the correct 2nd round slot for the Knicks.

I always thought nbadraft.net was better. that said, man do I miss having two good mocks and scouting reports to look at


I think NBAdraft.net does a better job of slotting players earlier in the year, DX usually has it's fingers in the pulse by the time draft time comes.
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5/17/2018  10:28 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Michael Kay asked Givony why he has Sexton slotted to the Knicks, given the amount of point guards they already have on the roster. Givony says he wouldn’t overlook drafting a player because of a back-up (revealing his thoughts on Mudiay and Burke). He notes Ntilikina can play off the ball.
https://knicksfilmschool.com/2018/05/16/jonathan-givony-on-the-michael-kay-show/
Givony was also on the Woj podcast today. Listening to him is the closest thing to what draftexpress was.

So true.

And it's so sloppy of ESPN to not have the correct 2nd round slot for the Knicks.

I always thought nbadraft.net was better. that said, man do I miss having two good mocks and scouting reports to look at

no way... draftexpress used to have a database of all the combine scores and measurements you could search through historically. So good. More vids and stuff as well. nbadraft.net is good... but having both side by side was the best. Classic ESPN... basically take away public info, wreck it and try to charge people for it.

back to the draft...
No way Mikal Bridges makes it past us. Zero chance.

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5/17/2018  10:40 AM
fishmike wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Michael Kay asked Givony why he has Sexton slotted to the Knicks, given the amount of point guards they already have on the roster. Givony says he wouldn’t overlook drafting a player because of a back-up (revealing his thoughts on Mudiay and Burke). He notes Ntilikina can play off the ball.
https://knicksfilmschool.com/2018/05/16/jonathan-givony-on-the-michael-kay-show/
Givony was also on the Woj podcast today. Listening to him is the closest thing to what draftexpress was.

So true.

And it's so sloppy of ESPN to not have the correct 2nd round slot for the Knicks.

I always thought nbadraft.net was better. that said, man do I miss having two good mocks and scouting reports to look at

no way... draftexpress used to have a database of all the combine scores and measurements you could search through historically. So good. More vids and stuff as well. nbadraft.net is good... but having both side by side was the best. Classic ESPN... basically take away public info, wreck it and try to charge people for it.

back to the draft...
No way Mikal Bridges makes it past us. Zero chance.

dx defintiely had more info, but I thought the scouting reports were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better on nbadraft.net

GustavBahler said: Check please....
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5/17/2018  10:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/17/2018  10:54 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Michael Kay asked Givony why he has Sexton slotted to the Knicks, given the amount of point guards they already have on the roster. Givony says he wouldn’t overlook drafting a player because of a back-up (revealing his thoughts on Mudiay and Burke). He notes Ntilikina can play off the ball.
https://knicksfilmschool.com/2018/05/16/jonathan-givony-on-the-michael-kay-show/
Givony was also on the Woj podcast today. Listening to him is the closest thing to what draftexpress was.

So true.

And it's so sloppy of ESPN to not have the correct 2nd round slot for the Knicks.

I always thought nbadraft.net was better. that said, man do I miss having two good mocks and scouting reports to look at


I think NBAdraft.net does a better job of slotting players earlier in the year, DX usually has it's fingers in the pulse by the time draft time comes.

I tend to agree, but I think nbadraft.net wins major points for that. One of the best examples I can think of is the 2005 NBA draft. nbadraft.net had Chris Paul first at the beginning of the year if memory serves correct. That wasn't the case elsewhere. Kinda think they nailed that one

GustavBahler said: Check please....
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5/17/2018  10:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/17/2018  10:50 AM
Cartman718 wrote:There's no way we draft Sexton, after opening presser comments by Fiz re: Mudiay with Trey Burke present. Are we forgetting 70 mill to Timmy? and there's no way he can play SF in this league.

Which means...in order to draft Sexton, we'd have to do some trade like Timmy for Clippers pick 12 or 13 and filler at SF need.


Timmy is better off as a 6th man in the league, many think Frank is more of a combo guard then a true PG, many see Burke as a better #2 PG then a starting PG and Mudiay is more of a 10th-11th man on a team so i could easily see:

PG--C.Sexton/T.Young
SG--Frank/C.Lee
6th man--Timmy
Backup PG--T.Burke
Mudiay--end of bench

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newyorker4ever wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:There's no way we draft Sexton, after opening presser comments by Fiz re: Mudiay with Trey Burke present. Are we forgetting 70 mill to Timmy? and there's no way he can play SF in this league.

Which means...in order to draft Sexton, we'd have to do some trade like Timmy for Clippers pick 12 or 13 and filler at SF need.


Timmy is better off as a 6th man in the league, many think Frank is more of a combo guard then a true PG, many see Burke as a better #2 PG then a starting PG and Mudiay is more of a 10th-11th man on a team so i could easily see:

PG--C.Sexton/T.Young
SG--Frank/C.Lee
6th man--Timmy
Backup PG--T.Burke
Mudiay--end of bench


Edited...
Tell that to Fizdale, who clearly sees a role for Mudiay as opposed to end of bench.
RE: 6th man Timmy...where are the mins for him at 70 mill salary.
From your rotation, Sexton, Burke, Frank, C Lee cover all the mins at PG and SG
Dont forget Dotson
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5/17/2018  8:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/17/2018  8:56 PM
Cartman718 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:There's no way we draft Sexton, after opening presser comments by Fiz re: Mudiay with Trey Burke present. Are we forgetting 70 mill to Timmy? and there's no way he can play SF in this league.

Which means...in order to draft Sexton, we'd have to do some trade like Timmy for Clippers pick 12 or 13 and filler at SF need.


Timmy is better off as a 6th man in the league, many think Frank is more of a combo guard then a true PG, many see Burke as a better #2 PG then a starting PG and Mudiay is more of a 10th-11th man on a team so i could easily see:

PG--C.Sexton/T.Young
SG--Frank/C.Lee
6th man--Timmy
Backup PG--T.Burke
Mudiay--end of bench


Edited...
Tell that to Fizdale, who clearly sees a role for Mudiay as opposed to end of bench.
RE: 6th man Timmy...where are the mins for him at 70 mill salary.
From your rotation, Sexton, Burke, Frank, C Lee cover all the mins at PG and SG
Dont forget Dotson


I don't care what Fiz thinks he sees in Mudiay now cause what matters is what he sees in him and all the players after putting them through camp and Mudiay would need to take a big jump in how he plays to be anywhere around that starting unit and he will not be a starter for us next year. If he is then we hired a moron for our head coach.

6th men get plenty of playing time so not worried about Timmy getting minutes at all. He can still easily get a good 25-30 minutes from the 6th man role.

I would do everything i can to trade C.Lee. I'm actually a C.Lee fan but we just don't need him on this team that will be building for 2-3 more years and maybe even more if we don't start hitting big with our draft picks.

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5/18/2018  1:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/18/2018  1:52 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:There's no way we draft Sexton, after opening presser comments by Fiz re: Mudiay with Trey Burke present. Are we forgetting 70 mill to Timmy? and there's no way he can play SF in this league.

Which means...in order to draft Sexton, we'd have to do some trade like Timmy for Clippers pick 12 or 13 and filler at SF need.


Timmy is better off as a 6th man in the league, many think Frank is more of a combo guard then a true PG, many see Burke as a better #2 PG then a starting PG and Mudiay is more of a 10th-11th man on a team so i could easily see:

PG--C.Sexton/T.Young
SG--Frank/C.Lee
6th man--Timmy
Backup PG--T.Burke
Mudiay--end of bench

Burke is a free agent, I believe, and therefore not in the bag. Why would he choose us if he had better offers and he definitely has earned those with his play this past year.

And we only have mudiay for 1 year and can match the year after that. And let's face it, while potential was shown, the jury is out on Frank, and we don't know where he fits especially with a new coach. Dotson will get another chance but he's a long shot. Courtney lee will probably be traded before the 2020 season, when his current contract expires and is more valuable. Timmy, we're married to him for better of for worse.

So if there is a guard we like more than any other player at 9, then we should not hesitate.

Knicks have been unusually open in voicing their desire to add a wing. Why telegraph anything before a draft unless you are doing so intentionally? It will be interesting to see if that tune changes over this next month. Is this the same old knicks or are we really trying some misdirection for a change?

A draft reminder came up today that I forgot about. Utah moved up from 24 to 13 specifically to draft donovan mitchell, unloading trey leyles as part of the deal. When you make a move like that and get the ROY, that shows you did your homework and stuck to your guns. We're way behind the talent gap and the assets gap in the East so we have to do the same if we are to remain competitive.

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newyorker4ever wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:There's no way we draft Sexton, after opening presser comments by Fiz re: Mudiay with Trey Burke present. Are we forgetting 70 mill to Timmy? and there's no way he can play SF in this league.

Which means...in order to draft Sexton, we'd have to do some trade like Timmy for Clippers pick 12 or 13 and filler at SF need.


Timmy is better off as a 6th man in the league, many think Frank is more of a combo guard then a true PG, many see Burke as a better #2 PG then a starting PG and Mudiay is more of a 10th-11th man on a team so i could easily see:

PG--C.Sexton/T.Young
SG--Frank/C.Lee
6th man--Timmy
Backup PG--T.Burke
Mudiay--end of bench


Edited...
Tell that to Fizdale, who clearly sees a role for Mudiay as opposed to end of bench.
RE: 6th man Timmy...where are the mins for him at 70 mill salary.
From your rotation, Sexton, Burke, Frank, C Lee cover all the mins at PG and SG
Dont forget Dotson


I don't care what Fiz thinks he sees in Mudiay now cause what matters is what he sees in him and all the players after putting them through camp and Mudiay would need to take a big jump in how he plays to be anywhere around that starting unit and he will not be a starter for us next year. If he is then we hired a moron for our head coach.

6th men get plenty of playing time so not worried about Timmy getting minutes at all. He can still easily get a good 25-30 minutes from the 6th man role.

I would do everything i can to trade C.Lee. I'm actually a C.Lee fan but we just don't need him on this team that will be building for 2-3 more years and maybe even more if we don't start hitting big with our draft picks.

Agree re C.Lee. I like him on multiple levels though feel he was unselfish to a fault. Needs to drive and draw fouls more. He can still contribute to a lot of good teams.

We need to move him though to open minutes and opportunities for others

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newyorker4ever wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:There's no way we draft Sexton, after opening presser comments by Fiz re: Mudiay with Trey Burke present. Are we forgetting 70 mill to Timmy? and there's no way he can play SF in this league.

Which means...in order to draft Sexton, we'd have to do some trade like Timmy for Clippers pick 12 or 13 and filler at SF need.


Timmy is better off as a 6th man in the league, many think Frank is more of a combo guard then a true PG, many see Burke as a better #2 PG then a starting PG and Mudiay is more of a 10th-11th man on a team so i could easily see:

PG--C.Sexton/T.Young
SG--Frank/C.Lee
6th man--Timmy
Backup PG--T.Burke
Mudiay--end of bench


Edited...
Tell that to Fizdale, who clearly sees a role for Mudiay as opposed to end of bench.
RE: 6th man Timmy...where are the mins for him at 70 mill salary.
From your rotation, Sexton, Burke, Frank, C Lee cover all the mins at PG and SG
Dont forget Dotson


I don't care what Fiz thinks he sees in Mudiay now cause what matters is what he sees in him and all the players after putting them through camp and Mudiay would need to take a big jump in how he plays to be anywhere around that starting unit and he will not be a starter for us next year. If he is then we hired a moron for our head coach.

6th men get plenty of playing time so not worried about Timmy getting minutes at all. He can still easily get a good 25-30 minutes from the 6th man role.

I would do everything i can to trade C.Lee. I'm actually a C.Lee fan but we just don't need him on this team that will be building for 2-3 more years and maybe even more if we don't start hitting big with our draft picks.

as a 25-30 min player, what does Timmy do that Courtney Lee doesn't at lesser salary?
and what is your response to the Dotson statement?

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rpknicks wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:There's no way we draft Sexton, after opening presser comments by Fiz re: Mudiay with Trey Burke present. Are we forgetting 70 mill to Timmy? and there's no way he can play SF in this league.

Which means...in order to draft Sexton, we'd have to do some trade like Timmy for Clippers pick 12 or 13 and filler at SF need.


Timmy is better off as a 6th man in the league, many think Frank is more of a combo guard then a true PG, many see Burke as a better #2 PG then a starting PG and Mudiay is more of a 10th-11th man on a team so i could easily see:

PG--C.Sexton/T.Young
SG--Frank/C.Lee
6th man--Timmy
Backup PG--T.Burke
Mudiay--end of bench

Burke is a free agent, I believe, and therefore not in the bag. Why would he choose us if he had better offers and he definitely has earned those with his play this past year.

And we only have mudiay for 1 year and can match the year after that. And let's face it, while potential was shown, the jury is out on Frank, and we don't know where he fits especially with a new coach. Dotson will get another chance but he's a long shot. Courtney lee will probably be traded before the 2020 season, when his current contract expires and is more valuable. Timmy, we're married to him for better of for worse.

So if there is a guard we like more than any other player at 9, then we should not hesitate.

Knicks have been unusually open in voicing their desire to add a wing. Why telegraph anything before a draft unless you are doing so intentionally? It will be interesting to see if that tune changes over this next month. Is this the same old knicks or are we really trying some misdirection for a change?

A draft reminder came up today that I forgot about. Utah moved up from 24 to 13 specifically to draft donovan mitchell, unloading trey leyles as part of the deal. When you make a move like that and get the ROY, that shows you did your homework and stuck to your guns. We're way behind the talent gap and the assets gap in the East so we have to do the same if we are to remain competitive.

Pretty well known that Burke is signed for next year.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html

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SupremeCommander wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Michael Kay asked Givony why he has Sexton slotted to the Knicks, given the amount of point guards they already have on the roster. Givony says he wouldn’t overlook drafting a player because of a back-up (revealing his thoughts on Mudiay and Burke). He notes Ntilikina can play off the ball.
https://knicksfilmschool.com/2018/05/16/jonathan-givony-on-the-michael-kay-show/
Givony was also on the Woj podcast today. Listening to him is the closest thing to what draftexpress was.

So true.

And it's so sloppy of ESPN to not have the correct 2nd round slot for the Knicks.

I always thought nbadraft.net was better. that said, man do I miss having two good mocks and scouting reports to look at


I think NBAdraft.net does a better job of slotting players earlier in the year, DX usually has it's fingers in the pulse by the time draft time comes.

I tend to agree, but I think nbadraft.net wins major points for that. One of the best examples I can think of is the 2005 NBA draft. nbadraft.net had Chris Paul first at the beginning of the year if memory serves correct. That wasn't the case elsewhere. Kinda think they nailed that one


I think Givony just slots the guys based on who he thinks the best available is at the start. I think he might have more sources, so that's why his draft board looks a little more accurate in the weeks leading into the draft.
Draft.net probably does a better job of identifying team needs and matching available players to fill those needs. But it seems as though their not releasing as much content the past few years. I though they'd use this opportunity to pounce on DX and they really haven't.
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